2010.08.06 - Tommy gets 15 years!

[dodie20]

I don't think that Werter will gain clients over his representing Tommy. Confidential Informant?????????????? LMAO. Hey, look at me on national tv, I will become a confidential informant, yeah boy!

actually, I have a better idea. Instead of Tommy offering to become a confidential DRUG informant, why doesn't he offer to become a confidential HALEIGH informant? & prove that his story is true. I actually thought that's where the article was going, & I was wondering how in the hello, LE could pass up that opportunity, but then I kept reading, & realized that 'no'...Tommy wasn't willing to back up his story. just wanting to be a NARK.

 

[Whisperer]

Is anyone familiar with the appeal process in Florida with these type of cases?

 

[Whisperer]

The state of Florida did an excellent job today! They did what I call a "Slam Dunk."

I don't believe, from the tears I saw running down Tommy's face, he expected to get that sentence.

Now marching on to 8/23/10 Misty Croslin..

Isn't ron up to bat next, KSH?

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm a bit surprised at the witnesses at this sentencing that were there totally involving Haleigh's case. I thought that Tommy could only be sentenced based upon the drug charges? It appears that Tommy was sentenced to 15 years due to not having the true story about Haleigh? As far as sentencing history in this county, what is the regular, normal sentence for similar charges like Tommy's? I guess I keep remembering Ron's past charges and what sentences, yeah I know, that he got. Someone help me understand this please.

 

[Whisperer]

I'm a bit surprised at the witnesses at this sentencing that were there totally involving Haleigh's case. I thought that Tommy could only be sentenced based upon the drug charges? It appears that Tommy was sentenced to 15 years due to not having the true story about Haleigh? As far as sentencing history in this county, what is the regular, normal sentence for similar charges like Tommy's? I guess I keep remembering Ron's past charges and what sentences, yeah I know, that he got. Someone help me understand this please.

The minimum would have been 3 years, if all charges ran concurrently

I haven't seen anyone sentenced for possession when there is trafficking; they will drop that one and give them the minimum on traffiking. The judge was not pleased today. I call this exceptional to what is normally done.

Hope got the minimum. She trafficked more than 14gms which is 15 yrs. Tommy had 5 gms. Between 4 and 14 gms, it is 3 years.

4 gms to 14 gms = 3 yrs
15gms to 28 gms = 15 yrs
Over 28gms = 25 yrs.

They must serve the minimum. This is known as mandatory sentencing. The only exception the judge can make to give less than the minimum is when the prosecution (State) asks for less and has good proof and reasoning to why they request it.

 

[cyberborg]

actually, I have a better idea. Instead of Tommy offering to become a confidential DRUG informant, why doesn't he offer to become a confidential HALEIGH informant? & prove that his story is true. I actually thought that's where the article was going, & I was wondering how in the hello, LE could pass up that opportunity, but then I kept reading, & realized that 'no'...Tommy wasn't willing to back up his story. just wanting to be a NARK.

Just like his best bud RC? ..... so he could get the same deals and treatment as RC?

 

[KSH352]

Isn't ron up to bat next, KSH?

you are so right..sorry

8/20 Ronald.... and marching on .... Misty 8/23

 

[cyberborg]

you are so right..sorry

8/20 Ronald.... and marching on .... Misty 8/23

My bet is that Ron will seek another plea deal delay so that he can go last. Bet on it.

 

[KSH352]

Is anyone familiar with the appeal process in Florida with these type of cases?

From what I understand they ALL file appeals.
Tommy has 30 days to file his appeal. That's what the Judge said today.

 

[Whisperer]

Do you know if any appeals get heard and reduced? In california, that doesn't happen with inmates...inmates most of the time will not win.

.....expcept with voters, if we pass a bill, the 9th district will overturn that on appeal..

 

[bessie]

The minimum would have been 3 years, if all charges ran concurrently

I haven't seen anyone sentenced for possession when there is trafficking; they will drop that one and give them the minimum on traffiking. The judge was not pleased today. I call this exceptional to what is normally done.

Hope got the minimum. She trafficked more than 14gms which is 15 yrs. Tommy had 5 gms. Between 4 and 14 gms, it is 3 years.

4 gms to 14 gms = 3 yrs
15gms to 28 gms = 15 yrs
Over 28gms = 25 yrs.

They must serve the minimum. This is known as mandatory sentencing. The only exception the judge can make to give less than the minimum is when the prosecution (State) asks for less and has good proof and reasoning to why they request it.

One of the few ways to bargain for a reduced sentence is to give up info on bigger and badder dealers, kinda like the "Three Billy Goats Gruff". I think Tommy would've ratted out his own mother (doesn't say much in this case, sadly), but he didn't have what the SA wanted: info on Haleigh. And he sure didn't help himself if he deliberately gave false information back in April. :tsktsk:

 

[dodie20]

Is anyone familiar with the appeal process in Florida with these type of cases?

I was kind of thinking that the appeals process may have had something to do with Tommy not maxing out today. The judge, IMO, very carefully gave him as much as he could, without risking a loss on an appeal. 30 years would've been an obvious target, but 15, not so much. Just MOO.

 

[dodie20]

I have a feeling that the SA, the judge and prosecutor are trying their damnest to figure out how they are going to get by with just slapping Ron on the hand for his drug dealing after laying on 15 years for Hope and Tommy. I can't wait to see how they are going to explain it. Should be real interesting!

exactly, & especially after some of the judge's comments today. Ron was also dealing dope, during a missing child investigation. HIS child. & I have to admit, that Art Harris quote, is making me nervous. 15 years? I wouldn't be surprised, but I sure hope not.

 

[cluciano63]

Slightly OT, but sadly, I don't have great hopes for Tommy's children. I'm not feeling confident that Lindsey can A. be without a man or B. make a good choice in her next man

If she leaves/stays away from Florida and never looks back, maybe they have a chance.

 

[Emma Peel]

Wow, how in God's green Putnam County was the prosecution able to get 15 years for Tommy without Ron testifying at the hearing?

Golly gee whiz...

But surely, they'll need Ron's testimony against Misty, right?

:floorlaugh:

Good Luck Mr. Shoemaker.


P.S. Gee I wonder where Tommy got that terrific idea about getting a lighter sentence for offering to become a drug informant? Hmmmmm....:waitasec:

JMHO. It's the best think that could happen to Lindsy & her kids, if you ask me. Run Lindsy Run!

 

[nurselady]

Wow, how in God's green Putnam County was the prosecution able to get 15 years for Tommy without Ron testifying at the hearing?

Golly gee whiz...

But surely, they'll need Ron's testimony against Misty, right?

:floorlaugh:

Good Luck Mr. Shoemaker.


P.S. Gee I wonder where Tommy got that terrific idea about getting a lighter sentence for offering to become a drug informant? Hmmmmm....:waitasec:

JMHO. It's the best think that could happen to Lindsy & her kids, if you ask me. Run Lindsy Run!

And that deserves a big AMEN!!

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The minimum would have been 3 years, if all charges ran concurrently

I haven't seen anyone sentenced for possession when there is trafficking; they will drop that one and give them the minimum on trafficking. The judge was not pleased today. I call this exceptional to what is normally done.

Hope got the minimum. She trafficked more than 14gms which is 15 yrs. Tommy had 5 gms. Between 4 and 14 gms, it is 3 years.

4 gms to 14 gms = 3 yrs
15gms to 28 gms = 15 yrs
Over 28gms = 25 yrs.

They must serve the minimum. This is known as mandatory sentencing. The only exception the judge can make to give less than the minimum is when the prosecution (State) asks for less and has good proof and reasoning to why they request it.

Hank Croslin Jr. Sentenced To 15 years in prison, 10 years of probation and a $50,000 fine. The pills weighed 5.1 grams.
Judge says Haleigh Cummings case not an influence, LaRue said Croslin's offer to help detectives solve the mystery of her disappearance carried little weight in his decision.


LaRue said that The only connection was that Hank Jr. continued to deal drugs as an intense investigation was going on to solve Haleigh's disappearance.


"Mr. Coslin is a drug dealer, pure and simple," LaRue said before imposing the sentence.

"snip" http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-08-06/story/tommy-croslin-jr-sentenced-15-years

Do I smell an appeal or acquittal in the near future? IMO the judge sentenced Tommy to 15yrs do to his personal opinion about the Haleigh investigation and/or could it have something to do with the State?
The judge, IMO sentenced Tommy to more than what the law requires. His max is 3-5yrs from what I understand and the Judge gave him 15yrs? Sounds like the judge took this case personally IMO? I am not defending Tommy by all means, yes he should pay for his crimes, all of them. However, I feel that our justice system is so corrupt and it's time that everyone is treated fairly. I don't feel that Tommy was treated fairly.

I especially don't feel that Haleigh nor Jr. were treated fairly and the people to blame first are Ronald, DCF, Misty,and the Family that cared for them. IMO, Haleigh would not be missing if the state would of done their job in the first place. Many Many complaints were made to DCF that were ignored! IMO, the state is trying to justify their mistakes by making the Croslins pay dearly. Yes, they are a bunch of drug addicts, they have a sickness and are of poverty level and never got the help they needed and the the trend just kept on going, from parents to the children. IMO, they are not major drug trafficker's, they do what they have to, to get their next fix. (THEY HAVE A SICKNESS). IMO, LE needs to be looking for the main suppliers.

Again, I want nothing more than for someone to pay for what happen to Haleigh...But it should be the right person.
Misty...IMO knows WHAT HAPPEN, and is scared to death of Ronald. Her parents were not there when Haleigh went missing and they were set up IMO and now are locked up for their dumb mistakes and their sickness...LE knows these people have serious drug issues, why keep wasting time on someone that buys $20 worth of crack or sells 5.1 grams of pills?

Why not go after the person's that put Haleigh's life in danger to start with? Ronald knew that Misty was into drugs, yet he let her sit with the children? Haleigh went missing on Misty & Ronald's watch, he is her father and chose to leave them with Misty, his actions since the day she went missing have been very suspicious. Maybe LE is on to Ronald, and if so why are they wasting the courts/tax payers time and money on Lisa and Hank?

Putting Tommy away for 15yrs is not going to bring Haleigh back, and IMO if he knows something he would of told it by now, especially after losing his wife and kids. I did see the sincere love he has for his family, but drug addiction make people do bad things. Tommy needs drug rehab, not 15 yrs in jail. It's like he said, he could of gotten drugs right there in the jail and chose not to, do you think that by putting him away in prison for 15yrs will get him clean? No, he will use again in prison to block the pain of losing his family and to block anything that has to do with the Haleigh Case. JMO :cow:

Again, not defending his lying, drug dealing, just feel that our justice system is so messed up. Tommy sitting in prison for 15 yrs is taking up a cell that a RSO or Murder could be using. The prisons and jails are so over crowed and now we have one more RSO or Murder that will stay on the streets because someone that sold 5.1 grams of pills is taking up that cell.

:cow:
:truce::truce::truce::truce::truce:

 

[doobiedoo52]

Ron's trial is before Misty's but his sentencing is AFTER? Is that correct? There has to be a reason for that. Is it to make sure he follows thru on testifying against her? Yeah, I know they have it on tape, but does he have some additional information that will help the judge decide to sentence her as an adult and not a juvenile? That's the only thing I can think of that might make a difference.

 

[twall]

MADJ,
The max. sentence on Tommy's trafficking charge is 30 yrs.

06/03/2010 35 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30YRS DOC &/OR $15000 FINE

For the possession charge (bus stop) it is 5 yrs.

06/03/2010 31 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE

I copied this from his docket.

 

[twall]

Ron's trial is before Misty's but his sentencing is AFTER? Is that correct? There has to be a reason for that. Is it to make sure he follows thru on testifying against her? Yeah, I know they have it on tape, but does he have some additional information that will help the judge decide to sentence her as an adult and not a juvenile? That's the only thing I can think of that might make a difference.

Ron doesn't have a trial date set at this time.
Misty wasn't a juvenile during her drug deals.