2010.08.13 Issues with Jane Velez Mitchell

[kaRN]

I must have missed it somehow, sorry. Did CA have a face lift?

I thought maybe botox but shes also gained weight so it might just be that.
:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

I don't suppose that the person who told Hoover they had seen KC parked at that location only told Hoover, do you???? Apparently a lot of people knew about it I'll bet including JB and the A's. And what if more than one person came forward to state they had also seen her parking there in the past. jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I wish the experts knew the case as well as we do. RK did not relieve himself behind the school. Grrrrr.

I don't doubt that he didn't, but he says he did - at least twice.
Why are you sure he didn't? Just curious because I haven't heard anybody say that they're sure he didn't before.

Oh are you saying they are reporting the wrong location not that he never relieved himself as his story goes?

 

[jon_burrows]

I have a question.
What if RK did get the info from his GF?
Play along with me.
What difference would it make, except that he got the info indirectly from Baez or Casey. He still found her and bless him for that. Baez certainly has gone after this man to paint him in a light that is unfavorable.
Not saying it happened. I have thought it odd though that so many people showed up at the same site so many different times.

I'm with you LancelotLink, it doesn't make any difference to me how he found her I'm just glad he did. Maybe this belongs in the legal thread but perhaps if it can be proven that RK got the location from his GF and his GF was listening to attorney/client privileged information between Casey/Baez, maybe the evidence from the crime scene (duct tape, laundry bag, blanket...all the things that tied the killer to the A home) would not be allowed in as evidence.

 

[seeing_eye]

I don't doubt that he didn't, but he says he did - at least twice.
Why are you sure he didn't? Just curious because I haven't heard anybody say that they're sure he didn't before.

Oh are you saying they are reporting the wrong location not that he never relieved himself as his story goes?

I don't think he was behind the school.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What? Because if a jail employee knew/heard/whatever where Caylee was in August then Caylee would not have had to lay there for four more months. There may have been much more evidence recovered earlier as in more left to her body. People refer to Caylee's autopsy but I think :waitasec: what kind of an autopsy can they do on bones? It's not a real telling one anyway.

If Kronk knows that what he saw in August was a small skull, I just can't fathom him putting it on the back burner for so long. I compared his testimonies carefully and they don't match. Maybe LE has cut him a break of some sort for giving them more information. I don't know.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't think he was behind the school.

No, he wasn't. At first I thought the poster was saying they were sure he didn't releave himself at any location. I misread it. But I don't think he went there for that reason anyway.

 

[tsitra01]

BBM - I actually find the exact opposite about Janie W. Let me preface this by saying I don't put much faith in the Dr. Glass body language nonsense, I equate it much to astrology which I don't equate to anything but quackery -- but .. If you actually watch Janie, she has a tendency to do a few things which make me question her sklls. After she finishes speaking, she has a weird -eyed smile on and she tightens her chin down into her throat. I do this myself when I say something that I'm not completely convinced of is true right after I've said it. Also, she will say something low and under her breath while somebody else is talking and sit there hoping she's not called out for it, I do this too and when nobody says "what did you say", i walk away with the feeling that I DID debate it but nobody heard me. It's a false way of soothing myself that I did everything to get my point across, when really, it was deliberately said under my breath so nobody could actually catch me not knowing what I was saying. I think she comes across as somebody with no self-confidence, like me.

ITA and I think Jane W is hard to listen to at any lengh almost as though forcing you to give credence to what she is saying. I realize she is a defense attorney but no matter the amount of evidence against the defendent she
defends them as though they were Saints. She is so predictable.
Much the same as JVM without the gavel. IMO:angel:

 

[Pattymarie]

FB


Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell Tonight -- "Casey Anthony: Tale of the Tapes"! Shocking revelations, bone-chilling 911 calls and jaw-dropping admissions... all caught on tape! Are the recordings incriminating enough to get the allegedly murderous mom convicted of killing her 2-year-old daughter and sentenced to death? Or does Casey's defense dream team have a surprise strategy? You don't want to miss it!

what is left to say is what i wanna know :waitasec:

k....It is 10:21 pm EST, just found this thread, did not watch the show, have no idea what this thread holds or what awaits me...please, I cannot stand to be disappointed anymore with this case, the media, the family, the lawyers...will this thread have anything new?

 

[logicalgirl]

No it is nothing new, we are talking about a show that is a montage of old news and clips which we know far more about that JVM or her so called experts.
Why annoy yourself? Go read another thread that might be interesting - we are just moaning about how inaccurate her show is and how silly her experts are.

 

[Elphaba]

LP is just ticked off that RK took his spotlight away from ending up the hero of finding Caylee. As well, there is the reward money aspect that LP flaunted to the media then quietly went back on, and people blasted him about not paying up. That is when all of the 10,001 daisy-chain theories about RK started flowing from LP's mouth on NG's show... which I theorize as being LPs way of trying to dim RK's spotlight and justify not putting forth the money he so claimed he was going to do.

LP has tried to make RK's life hell, in the media, and NG & JVM are guilty of letting him use their show as his platform. I will never understand how LP could go from putting his wrath on Casey, to putting it all on RK. LP keeps focused on RK, like he is the devil in details of this sad case... it's wrong.

 

[kaRN]

I don't doubt that he didn't, but he says he did - at least twice.
Why are you sure he didn't? Just curious because I haven't heard anybody say that they're sure he didn't before.

Oh are you saying they are reporting the wrong location not that he never relieved himself as his story goes?

Wrong location from what I understand. Janey W made it sound like he was in or behind the schoolyard taking a leak. Caylee wasn't found behind the school. It sounded way more salacious than it was, like he was exposing himself which he wasn't.
If he says he relieved himself I believe him. If I lived in Orlando or worked near Hopespring Dr and had time to poke around searching for Caylee, I would have and reported anything I thought was important too. I don't find it odd at all Kronk would either. Heck we've been obsessed here, first searching now seeking justice. We should invite the guy to be a member here IMO.

 

[kushka]

LP is just ticked off that RK took his spotlight away from ending up the hero of finding Caylee. As well, there is the reward money aspect that LP flaunted to the media then quietly went back on, and people blasted him about not paying up. That is when all of the 10,001 daisy-chain theories about RK started flowing from LP's mouth on NG's show... which I theorize as being LPs way of trying to dim RK's spotlight and justify not putting forth the money he so claimed he was going to do.

LP has tried to make RK's life hell, in the media, and NG & JVM are guilty of letting him use their show as his platform. I will never understand how LP could go from putting his wrath on Casey, to putting it all on RK. LP keeps focused on RK, like he is the devil in details of this sad case... it's wrong.

You are so right. I remember when RK found Caylee. LP went on Nancy Grace and she asked him about the reward, and LP said that he had withdrawn it a long time ago, and besides to get the reward the finder was suppose to call his hotline and RK had called the police instead. Nancy Grace, and it seems everyone one else, has let LP get away with his lame excuse.

That was bad enough but ever since the LP has spewed lies right and left about RK -doing everything he could to destroy RK all because of the fact that in reality LP does owe RK a reward.. I watched when LP offered it, and I was following everything I could get hold of about this case and if he had withdrawn the reward – he did so out of anyone’s hearing.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Wrong location from what I understand. Janey W made it sound like he was in or behind the schoolyard taking a leak. Caylee wasn't found behind the school. It sounded way more salacious than it was, like he was exposing himself which he wasn't.
If he says he relieved himself I believe him. If I lived in Orlando or worked near Hopespring Dr and had time to poke around searching for Caylee, I would have and reported anything I thought was important too. I don't find it odd at all Kronk would either. Heck we've been obsessed here, first searching now seeking justice. We should invite the guy to be a member here IMO.

I totally agree with you. And Janey W. has a habit of getting things not-quite-right. But JVM never calls her out on her misinformation. JVM and staff don't read released evidence nor double check their info. My son was a meter reader and he has gone to the bathroom in the woods. He had a route, "x" number of meters to read by end of his shift. He couldn't, because of the time element, leave the route to go to a convenience store to use the bathroom. Also, they jump fences and cut through woods and across creeks -whatever, in order to get to the next house. IMO Kronk is one of the "good guys"
And if I lived in Orlando, you would have seen me following you around looking for Caylee too.

 

[kant]

You are so right. I remember when RK found Caylee. LP went on Nancy Grace and she asked him about the reward, and LP said that he had withdrawn it a long time ago, and besides to get the reward the finder was suppose to call his hotline and RK had called the police instead. Nancy Grace, and it seems everyone one else, has let LP get away with his lame excuse.

That was bad enough but ever since the LP has spewed lies right and left about RK -doing everything he could to destroy RK all because of the fact that in reality LP does owe RK a reward.. I watched when LP offered it, and I was following everything I could get hold of about this case and if he had withdrawn the reward – he did so out of anyone’s hearing.

bbm

Wow that sounds like it should be illegal or something. "Whoever finds a body, call me instead of the police and I'll give you money - only I'll call it, 'reward.' "

WTH?

That has tampered with evidence written all over it; Im not a lawyer, but yikes.

 

[kant]

I totally agree with you. And Janey W. has a habit of getting things not-quite-right. But JVM never calls her out on her misinformation. JVM and staff don't read released evidence nor double check their info. My son was a meter reader and he has gone to the bathroom in the woods. He had a route, "x" number of meters to read by end of his shift. He couldn't, because of the time element, leave the route to go to a convenience store to use the bathroom. Also, they jump fences and cut through woods and across creeks -whatever, in order to get to the next house. IMO Kronk is one of the "good guys"
And if I lived in Orlando, you would have seen me following you around looking for Caylee too.

OMG... what conditions! That sounds like some kind of employee rights violation. I'm, of course, referring to setting up a job shift with time constraints such that one cannot relieve themselves in facilities and is forced to, well, in essence - expose themselves outdoors. (Not that anyone is there to see it, but it's the principle right?) And are there any female meter readers? *shudder* Additionally, isnt public urination illegal? Not challenging your post at all. Im just shocked that an employer can get away with treating its employees in such a manner.

 

[jon_burrows]

bbm

Wow that sounds like it should be illegal or something. "Whoever finds a body, call me instead of the police and I'll give you money - only I'll call it, 'reward.' "

WTH?

That has tampered with evidence written all over it; Im not a lawyer, but yikes.

If I remember correctly a credible source said that LP wanted to be the one to pull Caylee's skull from the river in full view of the media. I have no words for a person who would want to do that. I can't believe NG of all people, whose fiancé was murdered many years ago, would have the likes of LP on her show. I guess it's all about ratings and LP's crazy theories must have boosted ratings.

IMO

 

[faefrost]

OMG... what conditions! That sounds like some kind of employee rights violation. I'm, of course, referring to setting up a job shift with time constraints such that one cannot relieve themselves in facilities and is forced to, well, in essence - expose themselves outdoors. (Not that anyone is there to see it, but it's the principle right?) And are there any female meter readers? *shudder* Additionally, isnt public urination illegal? Not challenging your post at all. Im just shocked that an employer can get away with treating its employees in such a manner.

Any employer that has it's employees working a fixed service route in a residential area has this issue. No one complains or complains "employee rights violations" simply because pretty much any employer that has employees in this situation is either a government sponsored monopoly utility, or the government itself. Power company, gas company, water district, US Postal Service, etc. Heck if you really want to see how few rights you have with regards to "taking a leak" at work, look into working for a railroad. Some form of porta john available in the cab or the engine is a very very recent thing. It is still technically legal for a railroad to make it staff either use a bucket, or a hole in the floor out to the tracks. scary no?

 

[okiedokietoo]

OMG... what conditions! That sounds like some kind of employee rights violation. I'm, of course, referring to setting up a job shift with time constraints such that one cannot relieve themselves in facilities and is forced to, well, in essence - expose themselves outdoors. (Not that anyone is there to see it, but it's the principle right?) And are there any female meter readers? *shudder* Additionally, isnt public urination illegal? Not challenging your post at all. Im just shocked that an employer can get away with treating its employees in such a manner.

It happens.
My point, Kronk is a "good guy", that was working, didn't need to stop at the store he passed earlier, relieved himself and by the grace of God found poor Caylee.

 

[Gma Kat]

Any employer that has it's employees working a fixed service route in a residential area has this issue. No one complains or complains "employee rights violations" simply because pretty much any employer that has employees in this situation is either a government sponsored monopoly utility, or the government itself. Power company, gas company, water district, US Postal Service, etc. Heck if you really want to see how few rights you have with regards to "taking a leak" at work, look into working for a railroad. Some form of porta john available in the cab or the engine is a very very recent thing. It is still technically legal for a railroad to make it staff either use a bucket, or a hole in the floor out to the tracks. scary no?

BBM: ITA. The hubby is 33-yrs with USPS. They are required to scan certain boxes to ensure they are on schedule regardless of the volume of the mail, residents stopping them and asking for help, questions, complaints, etc., plus, their vehicles do not have air conditioning. It gets in the 100 and teens where I live each summer, like right now. It gets up to 130 in their vehicles. Sorry OT, but I agree that Kronk's stories do not seem inconsistent or improbable to me either. Not that there may not be info from his girlfriend at the jail or merely extra interest because she worked at the jail KC was housed at. It would make me take extra interest knowing I was in the general vicinity of the family residence. I just think Kronk has a bit of sleuthing in him. At least I really pray its as I see it and not something more sinister as the defense is trying to put out there and LP is perpetuating.