2010.09.25 - Levi's Facebook - Misty questioned again???

[Nonni Brenda]

there's some legal technicality that keeps this from being legal entrapment, but there's no doubt that this was a complete set-up. Ron even said in a jail tape, that LE told him their main purpose with this bust was to get answers on Haleigh. & Misty wasn't the only one having a grand ol time. Ron was busy having a high ol time, himself.

I was trying to think of the word "entrapment" several posts ago. Memory is the first to go for me... getting old-er! Set up and entrapment are not necessarily the same, the way I see it. Set up is legal, unless it is entrampent. :waitasec: Does anyone have the correct definition for entrapment? I believe that is what would be illegal for LE to do, while a setup wouldnt necessarily be. I may be wrong...

 

[Kimmer]

Levi, O/T

I know that this has probably already been covered but have you personally asked for and of RC video visitations or phone calls to be released to you under the freedom of information act? I cannot for the life of me figure out why we have not been able to hear anything from RC while he has been in PC, and do you expect that once he moves to prison that we would then be able to get that info?

 

[azwriter]

Might I drop my guard and get a bit more optimistic? I thought about this alittle bit yesterday and caught myself becoming optimistic and found that I didn't want to get my hopes up only to be dashed, breaking my heart and wounding my pride...........LOL. Dang, I hope you are right! I'm pulling for you. :woohoo:

Darn if your posts are the most unusual and interesting to read. Always a sober thought with a bit of wit. You've got it all lone. However, if you do need some optimism, call me, I've got three bags full. lol

jmo

 

[impatientredhead]

I was trying to think of the word "entrapment" several posts ago. Memory is the first to go for me... getting old-er! Set up and entrapment are not necessarily the same, the way I see it. Set up is legal, unless it is entrampent. :waitasec: Does anyone have the correct definition for entrapment? I believe that is what would be illegal for LE to do, while a setup wouldnt necessarily be. I may be wrong...

They can create a setting or pretend to be someone that they are not. It is a gray area to describe, but they cannot compel or induce the person to commit a crime they were not already willing to commit. IE they can create the situation and ask them if they have any pills they would like to sell. They cannot harass or convince the person to make a sale to them if they have been told no.

To go to another scenario rather than drugs they an ask someone to participate in a bank robbery, if that person says yes that is on them. If that person says no, the officer cannot go on from there to convince them to participate. They can't threaten them, sell them some sob story about why they need help with the heist, or imply that something will happen to them if they do not participate.

 

[blazeofglory]

well what with the new story ah has up tonight id say mc is getting close to telling if she really even no,s..according to the lva she dont no where hc is unless she found out later,,imo

 

[azwriter]

AZ, I so hope you are right. This would make sense of so many things I have questioned. Maybe this was a plan for a while for LE, especially since there was no body, and no DNA. I am getting so anxious to see how this is gonna be played out, but am having more confidence that there will be some justice for Haleigh.

Nonni, congratulations on the fact that your confidence is building. I'm anxious too, but I've placed a lot of trust in LE and the investigators. I think, feeling very positive, we are closing in on the last step of finding justice for poor Haleigh. And, I do believe we will be in store for some surprises. jmo

 

[suspicious1]

They can create a setting or pretend to be someone that they are not. It is a gray area to describe, but they cannot compel or induce the person to commit a crime they were not already willing to commit. IE they can create the situation and ask them if they have any pills they would like to sell. They cannot harass or convince the person to make a sale to them if they have been told no.

To go to another scenario rather than drugs they an ask someone to participate in a bank robbery, if that person says yes that is on them. If that person says no, the officer cannot go on from there to convince them to participate. They can't threaten them, sell them some sob story about why they need help with the heist, or imply that something will happen to them if they do not participate.

Impatientredhead, thanks for clearing that up. I totally agree. IMO, the drug sting was set up because someone told LE that Ron and/or Misty was already dealing in illegal narcotics. Therefore, LE put together a plan to catch them...it's that simple.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

They can create a setting or pretend to be someone that they are not. It is a gray area to describe, but they cannot compel or induce the person to commit a crime they were not already willing to commit. IE they can create the situation and ask them if they have any pills they would like to sell. They cannot harass or convince the person to make a sale to them if they have been told no.

To go to another scenario rather than drugs they an ask someone to participate in a bank robbery, if that person says yes that is on them. If that person says no, the officer cannot go on from there to convince them to participate. They can't threaten them, sell them some sob story about why they need help with the heist, or imply that something will happen to them if they do not participate.

Thanks impatient... this helps clear this up some for me. If I am reading this right, if a person, or group of people who are known to already be involved with drugs is approached by an undercover officer and asked to sell them drugs, if they do, without being harrassed or convinced, then this is not entrapment, but could be a set-up? But if the person or group says no, but the officer continues to plead, beg, harrass, then that is entrapment? Right?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Nonni, congratulations on the fact that your confidence is building. I'm anxious too, but I've placed a lot of trust in LE and the investigators. I think, feeling very positive, we are closing in on the last step of finding justice for poor Haleigh. And, I do believe we will be in store for some surprises. jmo

I agree Az. What started turning it around for me was Levi's post yesterday, especially when he commented so strongly that LE has no love lost for RC, Tn, and GGMS, and listening to his show. Levi is about the only press person I truely believe. We are lucky he keeps us posted. I really believe that we are getting closer to justice for Haleigh.

 

[Buterflytat]

I agree with you. But I don't necessarily think it was something "new" that Ron gave them. IMO, they wanted Ron's story to compare with the evidence they have to get Ron. Ron gave a statement under oath without knowing what evidence they do have. That will keep Ron from being able to change his story or tailor his defense to the evidence.

IMO, the fact that they sentenced Ron prior to any testimony says that they are going after Ron. They no longer have anything to hold over Ron to get him to abide by the plea agreement. So all I can think of is they wanted his statement on record knowing that they were never going to need his testimony.

I believe you have got this right. I was thinking that they gave him the plea deal to get him to talk; then they got take it back when they caught him in a lie. I believe they are out to hang Ron Sorry, but I cannot shake that he is involved in the cover up of what ever happened to Haleigh.

 

[redkatrampant]

Does anyone else think that once RC is finally shipped of to prison and is no longer in Putnam County not to mention the same jail that HCSR is in that people will feel more comfortable talking to LE....It is my opinion that RC has been running this case from the beginning not to mention that the is a lead investigator that according to RC own Attorney that he is so comfortable with that when LE wants to question RC all they have to do is call his Attorney and over the phone he will give the OK to talk to RC without the Attorney being present, that speaks volumes to me...And does anyone know if RC and TC will be housed in the same prison? I have also wondered if once MC is sentenced for the drug case if then the DA will finally turn this over to a Grand Jury at which RC would be obligated to testify at...Could it be that LE now has enough of the puzzle to finally ask for an indictment?

BBM. That is an excellent question. One which I would love to hear other opinions on. I think it is highly likely.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Begin snip~

they had to get Tommy to talk, that he can tell them everything,” her mother, Lisa Croslin, told The Bald Truth after speaking with Misty.

Sources close to the family and the investigation tell me tell me it was about 1:30 p.m. Friday when the methodical grilling of Ronald’s’ 18 year old ex wife began. Only this time, it was with a well-prepared prosecutor with a fresh set of eyes, veteran state attorney Ed Davis of Daytona. He was there watching as investigators hammered away at the inconsistencies and lies Croslin has told for a year and a half about the night she reported five year old Haleigh Cummings missing in February, 2009.

Then the unthinkable happened. No longer able to hide from her lies, Misty Croslin cracked.

Amid tears, weeping and shaking, she blurted out that her brother, Tommy, did it and knows everything. Towards the end, she was distraught, yelling, and believed to be so shaken, required a brief suicide watch on a jail medical ward.

According to what Misty told her mother, during her interrogation, “she started going crazy, yelling and screaming,” she says, then wound up in the infirmary Friday night. “She wasn’t trying to kill herself, she was just very upset. She wanted to be by herself,” her mother, Lisa Croslin, tells The Bald Truth. “They put her on the medical ward with nurses watching. She said she felt like a squished up orange with no more juice to give.”

End snip~

So, this is why she was on suicide watch? Hmmm...

http://www.artharris.com/2010/09/26...isty-changes-story-not-cousin-joe-overstreet/

 

[Crosby87]

I am still reading, but Misty has an attorney?
Why would her attorney agree to her being interrogated?
If she has something to say surely her attorney would present that information in manner that would be beneficial to his client? A brutal interrogation of his client would not be in her best interest so I am curious why it would be allowed by her counsel?

Yes, Misty's attorney is Mr. Fields and he has been her attorney since she was arrested for drug trafficking. Mr. Fields however appears to be very incompetent, perhaps due to inexperience and/or perhaps because he is a member of the "boys club", but in any event, he appears to be biased and he falls short when it comes to defending and upholding Misty’s constitutional rights. Mr. Fields was not adamantly seeking to have Misty’s drug charges dropped although Misty believes she was set up by LE and he did not request a trial so Misty's verdict could be reached
by a panel of jurors rather than by an opinionated Judge.

I doubt LE consulted with Mr. Fields before they summoned Misty. According to Misty, LE tricked her into attending an interview without her lawyer’s awareness or presence in April at St. John's County Jail, and although Misty's father reminded her to uphold her rights in the future, Mr. Fields remained silent after this incident and he did not raise a ruckus like Mr. Werter, Tommy’s lawyer did when LE usurped his client's rights. Misty knows it is her responsibility to speak up and refuse to be interviewed by LE when her lawyer is not present but she finds it difficult to take responsibility for herself. I hope Mr. Fields steps up to the plate and addresses this infraction by
LE immediately. Where are the victim’s rights advocates in St. John’s County? Why aren’t they visiting Misty in jail and giving her the advice and support she needs since her lawyer is obviously not keeping his end of the bargain? This is appalling IMO.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Impatientredhead, thanks for clearing that up. I totally agree. IMO, the drug sting was set up because someone told LE that Ron and/or Misty was already dealing in illegal narcotics. Therefore, LE put together a plan to catch them...it's that simple.

I believe that is exactly what happened. Ron has had so many drug charges before, that would give LE cause, IMO, to investigate him farther concerning drug dealings. And then there was that little incident when Misty's purse or something was stolen and she called LE hysterical! LE was justified in setting them up. IMO

 

[txsvicki]

I do suspect Tommy since it's so obvious, but it's awfully suspicious that Chelsea is ranting about letters now and going on NG at the same time that Lisa has supposedly been told all this by Misty. Same as before when they were calling Flora and then pinning it on Joe. Now they're pinning it on Ron instead of trying to figure out why Tommy is smack in the middle of it all. I'd rather hear what Jr. says about Tommy, and hope the new set of eyes prosecutor takes a look at his story of what happened that night.

 

[impatientredhead]

Thanks impatient... this helps clear this up some for me. If I am reading this right, if a person, or group of people who are known to already be involved with drugs is approached by an undercover officer and asked to sell them drugs, if they do, without being harrassed or convinced, then this is not entrapment, but could be a set-up? But if the person or group says no, but the officer continues to plead, beg, harrass, then that is entrapment? Right?

Right, it is more of a sting then a set up, but a controlled situation designed to collect usable evidence by LE.

They don't have to know you have a history, but if you are prowling a known area of prostitution, driving slowly around the block and stopping to talk to strange girls on the corner they are not entrapping you by asking you if you want to pay for sex because you can say no and not being induced to commit a crime you were not in the market to commit. They are offering the opportunity to commit a crime you were already willing to participate in.

Alternatively they cannot go to a bar where people are picking each other up, spend an hour flirting and pretending to be your average bar pick up, and then well in to foreplay mention that you know she expects fifty bucks.

A lawyer can always try to argue it so there is a gray area, but the intent is that one is offering the opportunity to commit a crime you are already willing to commit versus taking someone with no intent to commit a crime and induce them to do so.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Right, it is more of a sting then a set up, but a controlled situation designed to collect usable evidence by LE.

They don't have to know you have a history, but if you are prowling a known area of prostitution, driving slowly around the block and stopping to talk to strange girls on the corner they are not entrapping you by asking you if you want to pay for sex because you can say no and not being induced to commit a crime you were not in the market to commit. They are offering the opportunity to commit a crime you were already willing to participate in.

Alternatively they cannot go to a bar where people are picking each other up, spend an hour flirting and pretending to be your average bar pick up, and then well in to foreplay mention that you know she expects fifty bucks.

A lawyer can always try to argue it so there is a gray area, but the intent is that one is offering the opportunity to commit a crime you are already willing to commit versus taking someone with no intent to commit a crime and induce them to do so.

This makes perfect sense. Thanks.

 

[butterfly1978]

HMMM. I really wish we had another source besides Art Harris to confirm this interrogation of Misty and her breaking down and blaming Tommy... WOW.. I wish we could get someone to back this up.
http://www.artharris.com/2010/09/26...es-story-not-cousin-joe-overstreet/#more-4836

Tommy went down hill fast after Haleigh went missing......WOW..
.…Cummings projecting the illusion of a distraught, angry father to cover up what she believes really happened: that Haleigh accidentally overdosed on his pills, and he ordered Misty to to “get rid of the body,’ with Tommy’s help.”

This was my original theory as well. and I keep backing off of it and coming back to it. Its starting to sound like thats what happened.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I do suspect Tommy since it's so obvious, but it's awfully suspicious that Chelsea is ranting about letters now and going on NG at the same time that Lisa has supposedly been told all this by Misty. Same as before when they were calling Flora and then pinning it on Joe. Now they're pinning it on Ron instead of trying to figure out why Tommy is smack in the middle of it all. I'd rather hear what Jr. says about Tommy, and hope the new set of eyes prosecutor takes a look at his story of what happened that night.

That puzzles me too about Chelsea. She and Timmy (especially Timmy) got out of Dodge, and have kept a relatively low porfile as long as LE has someone they are looking closely: Joe, Tommy. What is Timmys involvement, if any? He hasn't had anything to say ever that I have heard.

 

[dodie20]

I do suspect Tommy since it's so obvious, but it's awfully suspicious that Chelsea is ranting about letters now and going on NG at the same time that Lisa has supposedly been told all this by Misty. Same as before when they were calling Flora and then pinning it on Joe. Now they're pinning it on Ron instead of trying to figure out why Tommy is smack in the middle of it all. I'd rather hear what Jr. says about Tommy, and hope the new set of eyes prosecutor takes a look at his story of what happened that night.

I suspect Tommy too, but was this a true confession, or was Misty lashing out with, 'Tommy knows everything, ask him'.