2010.09.25 - Levi's Facebook - Misty questioned again???

[Donjeta]

Maybe they have more supporting evidence than any of us realize and that is why they have known all along that Tommy and Misty were not telling the whole truth but just part of it.

If she spills the true beans then maybe now it will line up with what they have uncovered in their investigation all along.

IMO

I hope and pray you're right.

I'm just so afraid that whoever did it will get off because there is so much reasonable doubt created by all the characters who lied so much and because they have had an incentive to come up with even more lies now with the drugs charges. So if Misty now tells the truth and says X did it X's defence attorney can tear her credibility to shreds saying what about these other stories she's told about Joe doing it, or the mother's family doing it, or a stranger bricking the door at night, and was she even there? What about Tommy saying Joe did it? What is there to say that this is not just another lie that she made up in order to get a plea deal because she wants out of jail so bad and has finally figured out what LE wants to hear?

LE are going to need a whole lot to get past the web of lies and changing stories if they're going to pin it on anybody other than Misty and Tommy. If it's Misty and Tommy their lies might help convict them but not sure if we could expect a confession from her. She's held out this long and whatever she gets from the drugs charges she could get worse for murder..

 

[dodie20]

I can't tell you who LE thinks did what. But I can assure you, and I've heard from many sources that LE has no love loss for Ron, TN, or AS. Absolutely none.

I had been worried about this LE & Ron's connection, but awhile back, I had a dream about this case. Now, I'm no psychic, but I do think my subconscious was telling me something. Anyway, in my dream, 1 cop was on to Ron & couldn't stand him. He was humoring him, but at the same time, he was really, really angry. & for some reason, he was flipping through a photo album that he was hiding in his lap. On every page, there was a picture of Haleigh, or a picture of a little girl's dress. Now, I don't know what that might mean, maybe some kind of symbolism, but I think the cop was angry that there was no little girl to wear the dresses. Anyway, that dream made me feel a lot better, & it reinforced that regardless of what Ron had or had not done, LE wasn't giving him a free pass, & Haleigh was their number 1 priority. So, since that dream, I've looked at this LE a little differently, & I really think they want justice for Haleigh, & I really believe that's why Ron got those 15 years. They had the power to set him free, but they didn't...& I think that's because they feel that even if he didn't kill Haleigh, he deserves to be punished for his part in the cover-up.

 

[Donjeta]

The way he broke off his connection to LE at one time, saying there was nothing to be said beyond "No, I had nothing to do with my daughter going missing" or something to that effect, made me think that LE was probably leaning on him quite hard at the time and didn't believe everything he said.

 

[1Chump]

I agree with you. But I don't necessarily think it was something "new" that Ron gave them. IMO, they wanted Ron's story to compare with the evidence they have to get Ron. Ron gave a statement under oath without knowing what evidence they do have. That will keep Ron from being able to change his story or tailor his defense to the evidence.

IMO, the fact that they sentenced Ron prior to any testimony says that they are going after Ron. They no longer have anything to hold over Ron to get him to abide by the plea agreement. So all I can think of is they wanted his statement on record knowing that they were never going to need his testimony.

I just wanted to clarify..."they no longer have anything to force Ron to abide by the plea agreement to fgive testimony at the time they need it.

While there is action they could take against Ron, it would not be in a timely manner that they could force his testimony. However, if they had not sentenced him but continued his sentencing date until he abided by the plea agreement, they could have threatened him immediately. Either testify or the plea agreement is voided, you will face all charges and we will recommend the max.

 

[sunsetbeach]

never mind

 

[azwriter]

Levi, Thank you for giving us this info...and I think Ron should start to worry.

JMO but I think Ron has been worried all along. Why else would he and his mom and grandmother try so hard to paint him as a loving father who is overwhelmed and full of grief about his missing daughter.

I think Ron Cummings has been covering his involvement from the 911 call on. "I was a work." and the threat to kill whoever has his daughter, spells alibi and fake grief to me.

Also wanted to mention in the transcript of Levi and Holly there is mention of Ron not giving up anything about his daughter's disapperance in his plea deal. Part of the deal is the agreement that Ron testify truthful in ALL legal proceedings to come.

I'm not an attorney but I do believe if Ron took the fifth on anything, his plea deal would be dead in the water and he would suddenly find himself facing what the original sentencing would have been before his deal. Fifteen years would just be a fading memory. If I'm wrong about the fifth, would one of our legal eagles correct me on this?

all JMO

 

[Concerned Papa]

Not necessarily. It could just be making sure they have their ducks in a row and have everything right.
It is very common that they go back and reinterview witnesses in older unsolved cases. I don't think anyone believes that LE did not go back and talk to their witnesses again when they were close to the point of arresting Jason Young.
It is no different in this case, imo.
IMO

Is it common for the prosecution to drop two solid felony charges for trafficking in illegal narcotics in exchange for simply “tying up a few loose ends” and “getting their ducks in a row” in another case?

With a potential deal in the balance for his criminal charges, Mr. Cummings seems to have found “a lot of valuable information” rather suddenly:

Shoemaker said Cummings spoke with investigators and "offered a lot of valuable information."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/09/25/news/news01.txt

I remember the time when he didn’t have anything to say regarding what happened to his daughter:

Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-09/story/haleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later

By the way, I am aware of one remarkable similarity between this tragedy and the one involving Jason Young:

Authorities have previously said Jason Young refused to cooperate with the investigation into his wife's murder.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5981539-504083.html

At one point, both refused to cooperate with Law Enforcement.

 

[bessie]

I just wanted to clarify..."they no longer have anything to force Ron to abide by the plea agreement to fgive testimony at the time they need it.

While there is action they could take against Ron, it would not be in a timely manner that they could force his testimony. However, if they had not sentenced him but continued his sentencing date until he abided by the plea agreement, they could have threatened him immediately. Either testify or the plea agreement is voided, you will face all charges and we will recommend the max.

Thanks for clearing that up, 1Chump. You had me scratching my head for awhile there. I knew you didn't think Ron was home free on drug related sentence. Makes sense now.

 

[Donjeta]

With a potential deal in the balance for his criminal charges, Mr. Cummings seems to have found “a lot of valuable information” rather suddenly:

Shoemaker said Cummings spoke with investigators and "offered a lot of valuable information."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/arti...ews/news01.txt

Your link is broken, Papa. Do you have the original link?

Could it still turn out that his valuable information involves some drug lord out there and not Haleigh's case?

 

[Concerned Papa]

Your link is broken, Papa. Do you have the original link?

Could it still turn out that his valuable information involves some drug lord out there and not Haleigh's case?

I'm sorry my friend. This should work:

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/09/25/news/news01.txt

As for the drug lord, at this point anything's possible I suppose. It doesn't seem too likely to me, but who knows?

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks... so the tying up loose ends came from Shoemaker?

Shoemaker said Cummings spoke with investigators and "offered a lot of valuable information."

"I think he basically tied up a lot of loose ends, which allows them to formulate their theory as to what happened," Shoemaker said.

The majority of the information included details of the days leading up to Haleigh's disappearance, he added.

It's a crying shame IMO that he gets at least 10 years off his sentence for tying up loose ends that he could have tied up a long time ago if he hadn't decided it was not convenient for him to talk to the investigators about the disappearance of his dear daughter.

Basically he gets rewarded for lying and covering up information for a year and a half, since he wouldn't have had this bargaining ticket if he'd been honest and open with them from the beginning.

 

[debs]

Thanks... so the tying up loose ends came from Shoemaker?



It's a crying shame IMO that he gets at least 10 years off his sentence for tying up loose ends that he could have tied up a long time ago if he hadn't decided it was not convenient for him to talk to the investigators about the disappearance of his dear daughter.

Basically he gets rewarded for lying and covering up information for a year and a half, since he wouldn't have had this bargaining ticket if he'd been honest and open with them from the beginning.

Makes you wonder why he was then so all fired revved up to sell those drugs, doesn't it? Like, maybe, there was a crisis of income in the family.

 

[suspicious1]

I agree. If Ronald had provided key information early on there would be no need for the kind of deal he received. Further, the deal was in the works for quite some time. Shoemaker mentioned it months ago. We saw at least one (two, iirc) postponements in Ron's hearings. That tells me working out the deal was complicated and the SA was reluctant to agree to the provisions, but in the end decided whatever Ron has to offer was worth the price of the charge reductions. All indications point to "new" information which might've solved the case if Ron had turned it over prior to January 21, 2010. IMO.

I totally agree with you Bessie. IMO, Ron never supplied key information in this case until his azz was put on the line. Shoemaker had been working on this deal for awhile....remember when Shoemaker said "the Haleigh's case is making it harder for us to deal."? I was wondering "how could that be if he is innocent in all this and was really at work and knows nothing?" Something was not right with that statement Shoemaker made. So IMO, the deal was a complicated one and it took some time for the SA to agree to the terms. I totally agree with you that Ron gave up "new" valuable information that he had not told them prior to being arrested. It was just that, in order to get the deal, Ron had to tell it and it had to match up with what LE already knew. JMO of course

 

[suspicious1]

I'm sorry my friend. This should work:

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/09/25/news/news01.txt

As for the drug lord, at this point anything's possible I suppose. It doesn't seem too likely to me, but who knows?

Thanks CP for the link. I took note of Shoemaker saying that Ron tied up a lot of loose ends that would help the investigators formulate their theory as to what happened to Haleigh.

Now, how can anyone think that Ron knew nothing about what happened to his daughter? Clearly, the investigators needed information from RON to tie up loose ends in Haleigh's case. How could that be? He was at work:waitasec: He supposedly knew nothing. Shoemaker also said that majority of the information included what happened in the days leading up to Haleigh's disappearance. As far as we know, the only information we have about the days (the weekend) before Haleigh went missing is:
Ron and Misty got into fight about Misty being pregnant
Ron kicked Misty out of the house-Misty gave Ron back his key
Ron dumped Misty's clothes on Nay's lawn
Misty spends her weekend with Nay/WBG partying
Misty was not with Ron over the weekend but spoke with him over the phone
At some point the Cummings are looking for WBG
Sunday Nay dropped Misty off at her brother's house
Teresa tells us that Misty and Ron are up all night talking

What we don't know about that weekend is:
Who had the kids?
Whether or not Ron had to work
When did Misty go back to Ron (Sunday or Monday)
Did Misty go back to Ron at all?
Who Ron was with over the weekend
Did he ever catch up with Misty while she was out

I know there's more but ya'll get where I'm going with this. It is MO that LE probably wanted to know a few of the same things that some of us question. And whatever those answers are was key to helping investigators put together their theory/case. So no matter how you look at it, Ron had valuable information that would help Haleigh's case that he had not offered up before...because had he given that information awhile back, I think we would be further along in this case than we are now. Add that to the fact that Ron stop cooperating and hired a criminal defense attorney, I'm thinking that some of these same questions that LE is now getting answers for from Ron, are some of the same questions that Ron previously failed to answer or was not truthful with the answers. And IMO, Ron had to have a reason for doing so.

LE thinks that Misty is the key to solving this case. IMO, LE doesn't think that Misty had anything to do with killing Haleigh but they know she was at least involved in the coverup. Maybe they were just waiting on Misty to say that she wasn't babysitting Jr. and Haleigh the night Haleigh went missing. Even after the drug bust, LE was asking for tips regarding Misty's evening activities (Haleigh Statement from PCSO).

In the beginning Shoemaker told us that Ron would be sentenced last. We all know that didn't happen. I agree with those who think that Misty being sentenced last happened for a reason. I wouldn't be surprised if there is eventually is a plea deal for Misty.:waitasec:

JMO of course

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM

I wonder... how much would Misty's word be worth in court now unless there was corroborating evidence such as a body?

Your post brings up a major concern that I have in regards to Ron's testimony and that is: "Honest Abe" Ron isn't, so how is LE going to corroborate his testimony? Surely, they are not hanging on his every lying word? I'm aware that his lies have not been featured on every network and talk show like Misty's and Tommy's lies have but believe me, if you take the time to research this case from day one you will find that he is the master of all lies when it comes to this case. I have a problem with LE maybe using his testimony as gospel.

 

[suspicious1]

Maybe they have more supporting evidence than any of us realize and that is why they have known all along that Tommy and Misty were not telling the whole truth but just part of it.

If she spills the true beans then maybe now it will line up with what they have uncovered in their investigation all along.

IMO

I agree that LE may have more supporting evidence than any of us realize, I'm quite sure they do. But I think they have known all along that Tommy, Misty and Ron were not telling the truth but just maybe part of it. Ron was able to give them information that they had not previously had in regards to his own daughter's case. That's how he got the plea deal:furious:.

 

[justus4all]

Your post brings up a major concern that I have in regards to Ron's testimony and that is: "Honest Abe" Ron isn't, so how is LE going to corroborate his testimony? Surely, they are not hanging on his every lying word? I'm aware that his lies have not been featured on every network and talk show like Misty's and Tommy's lies have but believe me, if you take the time to research this case from day one you will find that he is the master of all lies when it comes to this case. I have a problem with LE maybe using his testimony as gospel.

I wonder that as well....

Surely they have some facts/evidence/testimony...that can determine if he IS being truthful...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with you. But I don't necessarily think it was something "new" that Ron gave them. IMO, they wanted Ron's story to compare with the evidence they have to get Ron. Ron gave a statement under oath without knowing what evidence they do have. That will keep Ron from being able to change his story or tailor his defense to the evidence.

IMO, the fact that they sentenced Ron prior to any testimony says that they are going after Ron. They no longer have anything to hold over Ron to get him to abide by the plea agreement. So all I can think of is they wanted his statement on record knowing that they were never going to need his testimony.

:waitasec: BBM

Of course the DA has something to hold over Ron to make him abide by the plea agreement. As part of the plea deal he has to testify in the criminal trial for the State concerning any suspect(s) arrested and charged with Haleigh's disappearance. These are legally record documents. It is very clear that the DA does think his testimony is needed.

I no more believe this DA is unethical and is underhandedly trying to trap Ron (that is against the law) and I have never heard of a case where any DA has done such a thing concerning any plea agreement. They could be brought up before the Ethics Board for Prosecutorial Misconduct if that were the case.

They have long had his statements on record.

Why do you think they are never going to need his testimony? There is never a statute of limitation on murder. IMO, this is going to be a trial and Ron Cummings is going to be one of the key witnesses just like he agreed to do.

IMO

 

[Emeralgem]

Your post brings up a major concern that I have in regards to Ron's testimony and that is: "Honest Abe" Ron isn't, so how is LE going to corroborate his testimony? Surely, they are not hanging on his every lying word? I'm aware that his lies have not been featured on every network and talk show like Misty's and Tommy's lies have but believe me, if you take the time to research this case from day one you will find that he is the master of all lies when it comes to this case. I have a problem with LE maybe using his testimony as gospel.

IMHO..His lies should have been featured on every network and talk show just like Misty's and Tommy's lies have been and for that never to have happened leads me to believe something is terribly wrong with this whole investigation and the people who are in charge of this investigation are not interested in the truth being revealed.....JMHO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree that LE may have more supporting evidence than any of us realize, I'm quite sure they do. But I think they have known all along that Tommy, Misty and Ron were not telling the truth but just maybe part of it. Ron was able to give them information that they had not previously had in regards to his own daughter's case. That's how he got the plea deal:furious:.

I just don't see any evidence of that. I would suspect like any other plea deal the plea negotiations had been going on for many months between the DA and RCs attorney.

And frankly we don't know what Ron has told them or when. LE doesn't just interview someone one time. They will go back to reinterview several times as they think of more things to ask based on the other information they have uncovered in their investigation.

I always thought if any of this crew got a plea deal it would be Ron Cummings because imo LE has known for sometime that he is not involved in Haleigh's disappearance but is very familiar with the characters who are imo.

And sure enough........he is the only one that got a plea deal. And the only one that has agreed to testify against the ones who took his little girl away and killed her.

IMO