2010.10.20 - PI Lyons Accused of Witness Tampering

[jumpinjack]

I am thinking that since Mark represents TES, and they are TES volunteers, Mark is going to file official complaints, file a motion and request a hearing. The two gentlemen will be called to testify under oath as will Mr. Lyon.

If the court should find that he did step outside of his rules, we can be assured
he will be off the case at the least and charged with witness tampering at best.

He will be reported to his PI board who will do their own investigation.

The JAC will certainly review what money is pending due to him, with a renewed interest, and possibly revisit what money has been paid to him so far.

The state will look into what did the defense lawyers know about his tactics, if anyone else ever complained about his approach with them and if they should find that the lawyers knew of, endorsed, encouraged in any manner whatsoever witness tampering, there will be a very serious motion filed with the court by the state to remove them from the case. If that comes to pass, I imagine the court will hold a hearing, much like the one the court held when the defense was alleging that one of the three prosecutors on this case filed the bar complaint against Mr. Baez and the defense was asking that the prosecutors be removed (voluntarily remove themselves) from this case. Linda Kenney Baden did the arguing in court that day.
Here is the hearing section to give an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz5N9rNJPiw

Mark, and these assistant District Attorneys will not suffer this without a complete, thorough investigation. KNOW THAT. The defendant has a right to a fair trial, and so do the people of the State of Florida these prosecutors represent. Judge Perry is going to ensure a fair trial is indeed what ensues. I have good faith in him.

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Note that Brad had moved up to the edge of the lawyers , he , to his credit spoke up to the judge to say NO, what the defense just alleged earlier in the hearing is NOT TRUE, there is no conflict of interest between TES and his clients, mom and pop. The fact that Todd, Andrea, and Jose stood in court and argued that issue to the court, above the corrections to that claim Brad made, repeatedly was a clue into the ethics and good faith of this defense team. Now here we go again, with a much more serious matter. Judge Strickland must be in stitches.

Watch Mark Nejame at this hearing. He is a strong advocate for TES and he will handle this with enthusiasm, that is one thing I know for certain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMADmtgS8Co
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fohjTaMqJE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMDGghOlAmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUYPwHb7Hw4

From Channel 9 www.wftv.com
""I felt in my mind, yes, he was trying to tamper with me, in a sense," Churchill said.

"As far as I'm concerned, it's almost like tampering with other witnesses to misrepresent the truth that way," Reilly said.

Both say the exact area on Suburban Drive where Caylee's remains were found December 11, 2008, was under water and unsearchable until the month before.

Churchill had already been questioned under oath by the defense for two and a half hours, but says that didn't stop the defense investigator from going to his house and lying to him about Reilly's story.

"He basically was asking me if what I said in my deposition was the exact story because he had others who fared differently, one of them being Brett Reilly," Churchill said.

Reilly says he warned Lyons not to twist his words after seeing what the defense has done to others. He says Lyons promised not to, but then found out he did exactly that.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says the defense investigator is traveling through dangerous territory.

"The statute specifically says you cannot engage in misleading conduct," Sheaffer said.



Reilly said he complained to defense attorney Cheney Mason about the situation and both told the sheriff's office." You bet your life there is an investigation going on as we sit here this morning and if warranted there will be a hearing. I saw this somewhere about a year ago regarding how hard Mr. Miller fights to protect the TES volunteers

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the ole Lone Ranger
and you don't mess around with Tim!

Go Kathi!!!

This is the epitome of why the judge is holding their feet to the fire regarding the trial date. Guess which list these two gentlemen was on that the defense could have talked to, when the judge made the list available to the defense, that the defense never bothered to pick up and Mark had it hand delivered to Baez's office, over a year ago?
The original 32 searchers!!!!
You just can't make this stuff up!
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This was a beautifully written and assembled post.

 

[nums24]

:waitasec:
Does not renewing your Business Tax Account count? It's not his P.I license.
His account status is "Active"

The business license and P.I. License are two separate things entirely. His P.I. License is good.

 

[The World According]

This was a beautifully written and assembled post.

:Welcome-12-june::Welcome-12-june::Welcome-12-june::Welcome-12-june:
We are always so glad to have new posters. You will love it here, everyone is very, very helpful. This afternoon, for example, I remembered something incorrectly, asked if anyone could recall or find the judge's order and seven people e mailed it to me!! Like magic. If only these friends could help me all day long in my work!

Welcome here!

 

[LCoastMom]

Was there ever a doubt that this would eventually happen? I honestly think it's not only possible, but very probable; that the defense is doing this carp on purpose and it has appeal written all over it. jmo
I believe at this point; getting an appeal on the grounds of ineffective counsel is their ultimate goal. Again this is just my opinion.

BBM - And mine!! :highfive:

Those of us watching with drop jaw - (a new ailment caused by watching and listening to counsel that defies all logic on a regular basis and tip toes all over the line of propriety) have been waiting for this day since July 2008 - it has been a given this whole time and I for one sincerely hope the SA comes down HARD!

This team has been given enough rope to hang themselves several times over and they seem to use every opportunity to show us, that is exactly what they planned to do. It is a sad day when using bad "lawyer jokes" would be a compliment they don't deserve.

Hands up if this one is even moderately a surprise....

:tsktsk: :tsktsk:

The business license and P.I. License are two separate things entirely. His P.I. License is good.

BBM - For NOW!!!

 

[Numbers]

BBM - And mine!! :highfive:

Those of us watching with drop jaw - (a new ailment caused by watching and listening to counsel that defies all logic on a regular basis and tip toes all over the line of propriety) have been waiting for this day since July 2008 - it has been a given this whole time and I for one sincerely hope the SA comes down HARD!

This team has been given enough rope to hang themselves several times over and they seem to use every opportunity to show us, that is exactly what they planned to do. It is a sad day when using bad "lawyer jokes" would be a compliment they don't deserve.

:tsktsk: :tsktsk:

BBM - For NOW!!!

Not likely. Not a one of them can tie a decent knot.

 

[logicalgirl]

I really want to see these two TES volunteers file a formal complaint - not just on a tv news clip! We all know complaining to Mason isn't going to help - he probably forgot about talking to them two minutes later.

My worry is I don't see what HHJP can do about it if it's just chatter - MNJ can stand up and say what he wants, and we know he's a fantastic person to have in their corner, however, unless there is "paper" on their treatment from Lyons, I don't see anything happening at all. Except maybe a "bear in mind" from His Honor. As much as we want to see the hammer come down.

 

[Intermezzo]

I really want to see these two TES volunteers file a formal complaint - not just on a tv news clip! We all know complaining to Mason isn't going to help - he probably forgot about talking to them two minutes later.

My worry is I don't see what HHJP can do about it if it's just chatter - MNJ can stand up and say what he wants, and we know he's a fantastic person to have in their corner, however, unless there is "paper" on their treatment from Lyons, I don't see anything happening at all. Except maybe a "bear in mind" from His Honor. As much as we want to see the hammer come down.

HI LG,

If by formal compliant you mean to LE? Then yes they did. :dance:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...rs-cite-tampering-by-defense-private-eye.html

snipped
"Both men complained to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office about Lyons, and Reilly also complained to defense attorney Cheney Mason, Belich reported."

 

[watergirl]

HI LG,

If by formal compliant you mean to LE? Then yes they did. :dance:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...rs-cite-tampering-by-defense-private-eye.html

snipped
"Both men complained to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office about Lyons, and Reilly also complained to defense attorney Cheney Mason, Belich reported."

BBM

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Tight Boots? Talk about deaf ears! Is that a required hoop for establishing the record or perhaps merely a golden opportunity to vent?

:waitasec:

 

[logicalgirl]

HI LG,

If by formal compliant you mean to LE? Then yes they did. :dance:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...rs-cite-tampering-by-defense-private-eye.html

snipped
"Both men complained to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office about Lyons, and Reilly also complained to defense attorney Cheney Mason, Belich reported."

Wasn't there a Special Magistrate handling this or was that just for the viewing of the TES documents? I wasn't clear if they complained to the LE or the SA's.

 

[Intermezzo]

Wasn't there a Special Magistrate handling this or was that just for the viewing of the TES documents? I wasn't clear if they complained to the LE or the SA's.

The Special Magistrate was only for the viewing of the TES docs. as per the Order by Judge Perry.

The article said LE,
Hopefully they will investigate and I assume LE would inform the SAO about the complaints.

 

[logicalgirl]

The Special Magistrate was only for the viewing of the TES docs. as per the Order by Judge Perry.

The article said LE,
Hopefully they will investigate and I assume LE would inform the SAO about the complaints.

I hope so but although I found their statements about Lyons behavior infuriating - it was still pretty mooshy - I would like to have had some really strong statements. :furious:

I'm just not feeling very positive about having any real repercussions on this behavior, even reading how upset fla*mom was. I think PI's work on sly intimidation and the tone of voice, etc., but when it comes to facts that can be brought to court - the results are like cobwebs - nothing you can really grab on to. People are left with feelings of being tricked, but can't quite pinpoint it.:waitasec:

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Intermezzo]

I hope so but although I found their statements about Lyons behavior infuriating - it was still pretty mooshy - I would like to have had some really strong statements. :furious:

I'm just not feeling very positive about having any real repercussions on this behavior, even reading how upset fla*mom was. I think PI's work on sly intimidation and the tone of voice, etc., but when it comes to facts that can be brought to court - the results are like cobwebs - nothing you can really grab on to. People are left with feelings of being tricked, but can't quite pinpoint it.:waitasec:

I hope I'm wrong.

I feel the same as you and agree with your post and hope I am wrong also.
I hope I am so wrong that I witness Judge Perry address it at next weeks hearing...that would be so GRAND!

Sorry TWA, I don't have the same "don't worry, the Judge and MN will take care of it" feeling as you do on this one...

 

[The World According]

Interesting tidbits 'watching' not just listening to this video:
1. License info screen his license number must be: A2900243 (around 3:00 mark)
2. LivLaughLuv - she has one of your post on the screen at 4:00 and also the HM blog at 2:54ish.
3. Lyons recording about 4:25 (document at 4:34 showing ?payment from state for Lyons?)

My transcription of the phone message:
'Sunday, 3:25 pm (answering machine) Hi, Miss St.John it's Jerry (or Jeremy) Lyons again ..I'm calling from Orlando and uhh, (?eggroll?) really hope that you call me back. I really do, auhh... It is really important that we speak. Uhhm, I think you go a long way in this case and, uh that's why it's really important that I talk to you. Uahm, so please (?toss those?) things around please call me back.' (Best I could do!)

Gale says she was there Aug 11th - 3 different times ( 6:57) - when she plays video it is now edited from original video to include a big green block covering the bottom of the video - wonder why???? Odd.

Thank you!!! It may be , the green block is to shield her minor child that was in the back seat? IIRC the child did not appear to be 18 to me. I am just guessing, friend. Does this one help?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q[/ame]

 

[logicalgirl]

I feel the same as you and agree with your post and hope I am wrong also.
I hope I am so wrong that I witness Judge Perry address it at next weeks hearing...that would be so GRAND!

Sorry TWA, I don't have the same "don't worry, the Judge and MN will take care of it" feeling as you do on this one...

Yes, agree. There is so much about this case that is so wrong - but I don't have my hopes up that much will be done about it. :furious:

There seems to be way too much sleazy people can get away with and still not be sanctioned by the courts.:argue:

I am however unmovable in my belief we will get a guilty verdict on all counts.:star1:

 

[fla*mom]

I hope so but although I found their statements about Lyons behavior infuriating - it was still pretty mooshy - I would like to have had some really strong statements. :furious:

I'm just not feeling very positive about having any real repercussions on this behavior, even reading how upset fla*mom was. I think PI's work on sly intimidation and the tone of voice, etc., but when it comes to facts that can be brought to court - the results are like cobwebs - nothing you can really grab on to. People are left with feelings of being tricked, but can't quite pinpoint it.:waitasec:

I hope I'm wrong.

I hope I am wrong when I say this. This guy is slick as slime and this is not his frist time at the game, not by a long shot. He even told me he was good at his job. He never said he was nice in his job. He probably knows exactly how far he can manipulate the questions and just keeping at it. Till he gets something he can use. We are all aghast at his method and think that he should be in some sort of trouble for acting like a creep. I wish that were true, but he is, as nutty as it seems, not going to suffer from it. Most likely.

It really amazes me that of all the players in this mess he has managed to only be photographed from behind.

I, of course, don't know how he talked to those two guys, but like I've said before he talks like a real likable guy getting you to talk about your life like he was an old friend. All the while just waiting for that moment to catch you off guard.

I have to say if I was having to have someone investigated, he might be on my short list of people to hire. Don't jump me please!!!!!!!!!! Just saying for what his job is, he is working it. He is just not getting the info he needs though because the people are just telling the truth and the truth is on Caylees side. I do think if there was some nugget for him to find, he would. It just is not there.

Now I would not hire, JB, Cm, or any of the other players on the defense side. Sometimes with all the goofyness going on I find it hard to believe that they can find the courthouse.

 

[logicalgirl]

I hope I am wrong when I say this. This guy is slick as slime and this is not his frist time at the game, not by a long shot. He even told me he was good at his job. He never said he was nice in his job. He probably knows exactly how far he can manipulate the questions and just keeping at it. Till he gets something he can use. We are all aghast at his method and think that he should be in some sort of trouble for acting like a creep. I wish that were true, but he is, as nutty as it seems, not going to suffer from it. Most likely.

It really amazes me that of all the players in this mess he has managed to only be photographed from behind.

I, of course, don't know how he talked to those two guys, but like I've said before he talks like a real likable guy getting you to talk about your life like he was an old friend. All the while just waiting for that moment to catch you off guard.

I have to say if I was having to have someone investigated, he might be on my short list of people to hire. Don't jump me please!!!!!!!!!! Just saying for what his job is, he is working it. He is just not getting the info he needs though because the people are just telling the truth and the truth is on Caylees side. I do think if there was some nugget for him to find, he would. It just is not there.

Now I would not hire, JB, Cm, or any of the other players on the defense side. Sometimes with all the goofyness going on I find it hard to believe that they can find the courthouse.

Bravo! I suspected you had g**s - pleased to see I was right about that!:blowkiss:

 

[watergirl]

We are all aghast at his method and think that he should be in some sort of trouble for acting like a creep. I wish that were true, but he is, as nutty as it seems, not going to suffer from it. Most likely.

ITA
Oy vey.
Creepy is as creepy does.
Accountability may have to wait.
And wait...

Justice for Caylee!

 

[MD MOMMY]

I hope I am wrong when I say this. This guy is slick as slime and this is not his frist time at the game, not by a long shot. He even told me he was good at his job. He never said he was nice in his job. He probably knows exactly how far he can manipulate the questions and just keeping at it. Till he gets something he can use. We are all aghast at his method and think that he should be in some sort of trouble for acting like a creep. I wish that were true, but he is, as nutty as it seems, not going to suffer from it. Most likely.

It really amazes me that of all the players in this mess he has managed to only be photographed from behind.

I, of course, don't know how he talked to those two guys, but like I've said before he talks like a real likable guy getting you to talk about your life like he was an old friend. All the while just waiting for that moment to catch you off guard.

Now I would not hire, JB, Cm, or any of the other players on the defense side. Sometimes with all the goofyness going on I find it hard to believe that they can find the courthouse.

Right, he truly wants intimate details about your life to see what he can dig up. It sounds like he is good at his job but from the sounds of it he goes overboard on what is legal. Where is your post about your experience? I keep seeing peeps reference it but I can't find it. TIA!

 

[fla*mom]

Right, he truly wants intimate details about your life to see what he can dig up. It sounds like he is good at his job but from the sounds of it he goes overboard on what is legal. Where is your post about your experience? I keep seeing peeps reference it but I can't find it. TIA!

They are on the TES thread from around page 60 or so.

If what he does is legal it must just border on crossing the line. IMO. I don't know what the difference between what detectives can do legally and what is okay for a PI. He may be blurring the lines from his old job to his new one. I have no idea really.

 

[fla*mom]

Bravo! I suspected you had g**s - pleased to see I was right about that!:blowkiss:

can I have another vowel please? I hope I want to have what you think I have:innocent: