2010.10.29 Status Hearing

[sassy_texasbelle2]

I still can't believe CA gets disability in the first place. IMO it's nonsense.

I NEED disability and have been trying for years. CA gets it *SNAP* just like that! Goes on cruises, gets jewlery, tatoo's clothes...puts $$ in her daughters jail account etc.
We had a kidnap/murder in our family and after an approiate mourning period, everybody went back to work.
The only real difference is that our kidnapper/killer was never caught and there was never any trial to deal with.
imo:waitasec:

Now, now DD they are important don't ya know. They are the Anthony family. They can waste millions of dollars with lies and the good folks of Florida are supposed to bow down and kiss their behinds and keep doling out the dough. Everyone owes them. I hope you are able to get the help you need soon.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So is JB ADMITTING that the chloroform in the car is a FACT???? Oh my. Poor choice of words. jmo

That was bizarre to the tenth power! He lists all of the things he didn't want made public...while being filmed so the public will see him, and lists all of Casey's vile deeds!! Unbelievable.

 

[affinity]

What startled me was the despair was on CA's face as soon as the camera panned on her in the courtroom - she had her head down and the first thing I thought was good god she looks awful.
So it wasn't the budget door slams that has caused that shell shocked grief mode.

CA looked awful and so did GA(he looked haggard, but he kept his head up)
Even in the last photo where CA is trying to smile (?) her eyes look as if she had been crying (puffy & no makeup)

Compare these photos to when we think CA learned (earlier than *we* did) that Caylee was dead. Same look of despair. Normally she does not look this distraught. (scroll down in this thread:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98491&page=8&highlight=silent+interview )
My take: it appears in both sets of photos as if she has recently "learned" something that she is trying to "process".

 

[countzero]

Aw come on now, CA's look was all part of her acting abilities. Let's not forget, she was dressed as the "grieving, non descript, downtrodden" grandmother look during the hearing for the admittance of the 911 calls. Also her disability ends in Jan 11.

I didn't believe any of it was due to a "come to Church meeting" revelation. Yea I changed the wording ... but y'all catch my drift. CAs had plenty of years to perfect the given look she needs to portray in public. She knew dang well those cameras would be focused on her during this and future hearings. She needs to practice for the real time her emotions are required ... the trial and having the jury view her as much as they are viewing ICA. GA, well, he's got that "oh duh" look perfected.

CA gets no sympathy from me. None of them do.

 

[chefmom]

CA looked awful and so did GA(he looked haggard, but he kept his head up)
Even in the last photo where CA is trying to smile (?) her eyes look as if she had been crying (puffy & no makeup)

Compare these photos to when we think CA learned (earlier than *we* did) that Caylee was dead. Same look of despair. Normally she does not look this distraught. (scroll down in this thread:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98491&page=8&highlight=silent+interview )
My take: it appears in both sets of photos as if she has recently "learned" something that she is trying to "process".

I kinda thought they were looking like that out of grief for the fact that their entire past was about to be dissected and the worst parts magnified for he world to see in order to try to save KC from the needle. IMO, they have some skeletons that they desperately want to keep in their closet. Or, it could be that they now know, with the departure of LKB, that there is no way to dispute the forensic evidence no matter how much they lie and obstruct. MOO

 

[miss plum]

i wonder if KC has been given a video monitor so she can watch herself and monitor how she's coming across? What a gruelling task for a narcissist. And I wonder if CA was performing for KC's monitor? Usually KC can't see what CA is getting up to behind her back but if the monitor was showing what the cameras were showing maybe she could see her for a change, or even if not, maybe CA thought KC could see her, and her whole demeanour was a reproach.
Or maybe they have all learned, or finally faced, some horrid truths.

 

[faefrost]

respectfully snipped & bolded...absolutely agree.

Something is really going on. To me CA has not looked so bad since she was photographed at the "vigil" with her friend Dominic looking on (and many of us surmised she looked so markedly bad because she learned that day or the day before that Caylee was dead). We all "know" CA well enough to be able to read her many moods. Something made both Casey and CA look as if they lost their best friend...it is more than asking for more $$ and being told no--something else went down.

A couple of speculations on my part.

1. They have lost the "happy happy dream team is gonna get her off" vibe. LKB's departure really hit them hard with the realization that they have lost all of the big national dream team players and are now down to the locals who are looking worse and worse.

2. The family and the other attorneys are finally coming to the realization that there is no more money to be had. What they have is what they have to work with and JB has completely bungled the accounting (this btw will probably be her only valid avenue of appeal, and the thing that will eventually get JB disbarred.) The look of incredulity on both HHJP's face and on AF's as JB could not answer questions about the money for copies summed it up pretty well. I think AF may have looked at what was there and had a heart to heart talk with the A's. That they cannot do anything to add more funds, as they would go to the state to cover already expended costs, that they will have to beg the state for more funds, which they will be unlikely to give, and that they are in a word, hosed if it gets to a sentancing phase.

3. some of the depositions and the "investigation" may ne making it harder and harder to buy into the idea that they will have some big "gloves don't fit must aquit" moment. The loss of LKB pretty much killed any hope of that happening with the loss of the team to challenge the science. (note that it is obvious that LKB has been out of the loop longer than we thought, as if she had been still active she would have been the one pushing for the Frye hearing, which JB and CM have obviously not done to the extent that the judge had to subtly remind them.)

4. It is possible that they have already approached the SA with a plea asking for substantially less than LWOP, and been rebuffed hard.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

[/B]

This was specifically for the mitigation phase after ICA has been found guilty!

Yes I understand that but I thought that J. Barrett had been brought in under Lyons and had already done all of that specifically for mitigation, stage two of the trial. That's what we were all discussing here back then anyway.

I guess we were wrong and Jeanne B. was not brought in to work regarding the mitigation phase. Like JP said, "there has to be an end". Iirc JB J.D. racked up quite a few hours, went to OH, etc. What the heck was she doing then?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

What startled me was the despair was on CA's face as soon as the camera panned on her in the courtroom - she had her head down and the first thing I thought was good god she looks awful.
So it wasn't the budget door slams that has caused that shell shocked grief mode.

Yes you're right....whatever shattered the entire crew shattered them before they made it to court that day....and by my thinking it was news that was delivered just before they all walked in because otherwise at least one of them would have pulled themselves together, but no, they were all a mess and looked close to tears, Casey included.

I am really starting to think knock back on plea negotiations. It's perfect timing in a way, depositions done (found nothing), TES searchers questioned (well mostly, found nothing), Body Farm results questioned and verified (nada) .. but still enough time out from trial for a little bluff.

I guess we'll have to wait for 'Murder, Media & Mendacity, by Jose Baez Esq' to find out....but something happened.

 

[The World According]

I kinda thought they were looking like that out of grief for the fact that their entire past was about to be dissected and the worst parts magnified for he world to see in order to try to save KC from the needle. IMO, they have some skeletons that they desperately want to keep in their closet. Or, it could be that they now know, with the departure of LKB, that there is no way to dispute the forensic evidence no matter how much they lie and obstruct. MOO

What is interesting is that Ms. Barett had apparently tried and "Was met with some resistance" to talk to the relatives. Why does Ms. Finell think they will now talk to her, rather than feel annoyed that they already said NO? Judpe Perry raised an eyebrow or two to that! We are wondering how George and Cindy feel about the relatives being harassed.
I believe the first thing Ms. Finell did was sit down with mom and pop and ask them loads of probing questions, then asked them to contact their relatives to implore upon then that it is imperative to saving Casey's life that they talk to her and be very forthcoming. If it had not already been clear to them, it brings into focus, the inevitable. Just as you say all the skeletons are going to be public knowledge.
Who Caylee's father was
The years of fighting between George and his father
The thousands and thousands of dollars George's sister's husband had loaned them and if he never saw a penny of again
if there was any knowledge of any
gambling
infidelities
on the computer at what age George began to be into ( if he was) or any sexually deviant things that can be alluded to
Arrest records
Childhood problems of mom and pop
Any history or alcohol or drug abuse (even temporarily, after an injury)
detailed list of George's various jobs and opining of why he cannot keep one to illustrate the lying, unreliable, untrustworthy ethics that were what Casey grew up with
Medical and any counseling history, how many times over the years either mom, pop, Lee and or Casey got help for any mental issues
Lee's childhood persona and what made him that way
Very detailed, intrusive look into everything Lee Anthony
Why the family on both sides is so distant, Cindys brothers, for example why they haven't spoken to her for years at time
Casey's promiscuity, who modeled that behavior for her
Why George really left the Sheriff's department
Why he never applied to work at the Sheriff's department in Florida
How they lost their other home
Is it true George put his father through a glass wall at the dealership
Have they ever wondered if George is indeed the bio dad of Casey
What other incidents of rage went on in that family
Are they Easter and Christmas only churchgoers
She is going to begin with...it all started when George or Cindy was a baby and go from there

This to the family who brought a very obviously seven month pregnant Casey to a family wedding and denied she was pregnant, tried to explain she was having female bloating to the extent of a beach ball....is going to be very hard for mom and pop Anthony to face. Remember the neighbors detail the shouting and swearing and berating they heard coming out of that house, whereas Cindy described in her depo and LE interviews she never ever raised her voice to her children, never had to. So, yes it is going to make their skin crawl to imagine these folks who likely have no affinity for them will be in a position to empty the bucket, or that they will have no desire to want to help Casey, and will not cooperate. Either choice is not going to be happy times around the Anthony home. Remember Diane Downs accusing her father or raping her, he had that attached to his name for a long while until she eventually recanted it. Casey is not above doing the same. Mom and Pop know that. She is not above making up fanciful lies about Lee and Mom while she is at it. This is going to make George's alleged affair with the volunteer, look lie a tea party. It is going to get brutal.
One of the very first things Casey said to her folks in the first jailhouse visit was , "Don't worry. I haven't said anything!".:furious:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_icWos23wM[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cs-2B4KcUA[/ame] Uncle Rick details how Casey ran up 40K on mom and pop's credit cards.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NqbDRfu80w[/ame] Rick to Cindy, "You covered up and that makes me sick! It is your fault that all this
happened."
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZ2Wt6Te2M[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN_-M0esjKU[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLL4Ef1DfoA[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1t-bXT9T0c[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pIaEMSMUvI[/ame]

Ms. Finell is going to be shocked to learn that even Ryan, Casey's childhood best friend does not want to testify for her. Here he details how Baez asked him about doing do and he said he had nothing that would be helpful. Baez hung up on him. He also details how Cindy had problems with and always complained about her folks.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TN9Q1g7kBk[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRHW8YPV9xA[/ame]
Ryan tells Yuri here that it was pretty common for Casey to opine she wished she hadn't had the baby, because she is young and can't go out, she can't do what she wants to do. In all of his life and years with her, he had NEVER heard her mention any Zanny the nanny. Sit down. He tells Yuri that Cindy told him that Casey was a psychopath! She called him to tell him she had found that Casey lied about her job, had stole a lot of money from her, she had ripped off her grandparents, she is a huge liar, he should stay away from Casey and indeed that she is a sociopath. He detailed that Casey told him that she was into smoking pot or doing whatever else (drugs) were around. Cindy and Ryan agreed, every single thing she told them was a lie, the work, the schooling, every single thing.
I think Judge Perry has it right, if Ms. Finell cannot find someone to testify for her by November 30th, then there will be no witnesses, period.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkysv5GyN08[/ame]

 

[The World According]

When Mrs. Drane-Burdick divulged to the judge that the defense was trying to schedule depos for 18 LE officers , although the deadline for that would be Sunday, Judge Perry did not bat an eye. He simply answered, "Well, then I guess they wont be doing any more LE depositions". That was very clear, right?

What do ya wanna bet that Mason and Baez "Feign Ignorance" and try to proceed with those? Their only option at this point is to send a list and their schedules to the judge and he will schedule them for them, to be deposed in the courtroom, with him present. He offered this because the constitution calls for them being permitted to indeed do the depo, and he is NOT about leaving appeal issues open. Not to worry, I trust Mrs. Drane Burdick returned to her office with instructions for her staff that if, as and when they receive notice that the defense is disobeying the judge's ruling, they are to alert her at once. Then she will be filing a motion that she will have prepared in advance in anticipation of their hubris.
Separate or combined, they are no match for someone like her or Mr. Ashton. I do think if it is provided for in the rules, Mason will try to use his other cases as reason to bail and attempt to withdraw. I believe the motion will be promptly denied if he should try that. The judge will throw his own words back at Mason, "Death is different", the other lawyer Ms. Finell has not had ample opportunity to familiarize herself with all aspects of the trial and Casey would be therefore left with ineffective counsel. Mindful never to make it personal, Judge Perry will not use words like I wont allow that. He will formerly say this Court denies your motion.
I wouldn't be at all shocked to learn that is how Ms. Finell was introduced to Casey and the Anthonys , as Cheney's replacement. Since Mr. Mason has a very poor understanding of the facts of this case, what has transpired, what motions have been filed, prior rulings, witness statements, etc. imo it would be a neat trick for him to be able to get his friend Anne up to speed. Of course he doesn't see things the way I do. If he did, he would refrain from making rude comments to Kathi Belich that are incorrect on the facts, that she can easily disprove and will have example of how he was dead :fish::fish::fish:wrong ready to go for the five o clock news.
Is he going to want to do depos in front of Judge Perry and have him kibitz? Of course not. It will be, how shall I say this politely? Humbling.

In my post above this one, I accidentally typed that Ryan detailed how CINDY complained about her folks. I , of course , meant how CASEY COMPLAINED ABOUT GEORGE AND CINDY.

 

[The World According]

Mason is going to regret the can of worms he wants to open by asking the judge to compel the FBI to release the forms mom and pop filled out about Casey, and the alleged lying to federal officers that Cindy may have done on that form. According to Ryan, Cindy knew everything she was telling the officers was untrue. Ut oh!

This is just another example we saw in this hearing of the very poor understanding Mr. Mason has of the case so far. It is scary to know he has a young lady's life in his hands and he does not appear to have even listened or read the interviews with her friends, or her family!!! What the hell?
I think it will actually be good for Casey for the judge to begin to run the case as he calls it. Left unattended, the defense is floundering miserably. Perhaps that too has finally occurred to mom, pop and Casey. Lillian will have a field day with their body language.

You just can't make this stuff up!
No wonder Baez and Mason looked at one another like what are you thinking saying that, so very often during this hearing. If there were cartoon clouds above their heads, the other would be responding, No. What are YOU thinking? If it wasn't such a serious case , it would be funny.
IMO, it wouldn't be prudent for Mr. Mason to draw attention to Cindy lying or any coaching, hinting around between mom and Casey. Good grief! Watch her here. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5l3NZhy8VY[/ame]

 

[ynotdivein]

What is interesting is that Ms. Barett had apparently tried and "Was met with some resistance" to talk to the relatives. Why does Ms. Finell think they will now talk to her, rather than feel annoyed that they already said NO? Judpe Perry raised an eyebrow or two to that! We are wondering how George and Cindy feel about the relatives being harassed. (*snip*)

Have they ever wondered if George is indeed the bio dad of Casey

(*snip*)

I think Judge Perry has it right, if Ms. Finell cannot find someone to testify for her by November 30th, then there will be no witnesses, period.

RSBBM

Re: Bolded part--I read this wrong at first and then went :doh:! Amazing that after so much time in this case there are still huge areas & possibilities that I need to wrap my head around...

My tiny contribution to this thread = At end of hearing when JB puts hand on KC's shoulder I think she says "oh my god" or "oh my god no" in response to whatever he says to her.

And TWA, they need to make a special sparkly magical 'thanks!' button for you! It would play your favorite song every time we click it and you would be showered in glitter wherever you are and a piece of your favorite kind of dessert would magically appear next to your keyboard.

 

[Paintr]

Mason is going to regret the can of worms he wants to open by asking the judge to compel the FBI to release the forms mom and pop filled out about Casey, and the alleged lying to federal officers that Cindy may have done on that form. According to Ryan, Cindy knew everything she was telling the officers was untrue. Ut oh!

This is just another example we saw in this hearing of the very poor understanding Mr. Mason has of the case so far. It is scary to know he has a young lady's life in his hands and he does not appear to have even listened or read the interviews with her friends, or her family!!! What the hell?
I think it will actually be good for Casey for the judge to begin to run the case as he calls it. Left unattended, the defense is floundering miserably. Perhaps that too has finally occurred to mom, pop and Casey. Lillian will have a field day with their body language.

You just can't make this stuff up!
No wonder Baez and Mason looked at one another like what are you thinking saying that, so very often during this hearing. If there were cartoon clouds above their heads, the other would be responding, No. What are YOU thinking? If it wasn't such a serious case , it would be funny.

I was surprised that Mr Mason even brought up the subject of these FBI forms. Whyever would the defense want these made part of the record? Unless...perhaps this is a step in the process of blaming KC's parents for the death of Caylee. I am still baffled trying to decide exactly what Mr Mason is contributing to this defense. Maybe because I have great difficulty hearing/understanding what he is saying. Perhaps it is easier if you are actually in the courtroom.

Thank you kindly, TWA, for all you do. Your posts are ones that I look forward to very much. Keep up the excellent work! :dance:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What is interesting is that Ms. Barett had apparently tried and "Was met with some resistance" to talk to the relatives. Why does Ms. Finell think they will now talk to her, rather than feel annoyed that they already said NO? Judpe Perry raised an eyebrow or two to that! We are wondering how George and Cindy feel about the relatives being harassed.
I believe the first thing Ms. Finell did was sit down with mom and pop and ask them loads of probing questions, then asked them to contact their relatives to implore upon then that it is imperative to saving Casey's life that they talk to her and be very forthcoming. If it had not already been clear to them, it brings into focus, the inevitable. Just as you say all the skeletons are going to be public knowledge.

<<<respectfully snipped your wonderful post>>>>

The problem with CA is, she's going to have to swallow her pride if she's to ask, no beg, her family to help ICA out..The Anthony's seem to have no family support, who's on "their" side? Her brother RP, her mother SP, have already spoken up...They know CA, RP knows his sister and how she will not speak of the negative, only embellish what she sees as positive..There was nothing positive about ICA, she was useless, she's a waste, she's a psycopath, according to her mother. SP said it best, ICA hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee...that should be the closing sentence for the prosecution. This case has become what it is due to the outlandish behavior of the parents of ICA. They're bizarre, to say the least. CA looks through rose colored glasses which keep her "avoidance" tendencies at bay.

Who will stand up for Caylee? If they go to CA's family, I feel they will for they surely will not put themselves in a position to loose their freedoms or come under fire with elaborate lies...GGMPleasea doesn't even speak with ICA, she betrayed her grandmother/grandfather and that I don't think they will forgive..nor will they forgive her for her alleged role in Caylee's demise...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[ZsaZsa]

TWA- I don't know who posts those audio tapes on You Tube but the Ryan Paisley introduction sounds like Mrs Bailey Dickens.....

 

[The World According]

TWA- I don't know who posts those audio tapes on You Tube but the Ryan Paisley introduction sounds like Mrs Bailey Dickens.....

I do not know the lady, but feel I do from listening to her narratives. Sierra 1947, I believe, her channel is called.

For Zsa Zsa

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk[/ame]
O/T this couple cracked me up, they are, imo a modern day Fred and Ethyl, finishing one another's sentences. So many interesting folks in this case. This is Sierra's channel again, who taped and uploaded the interview for us. Ms. Finell needn't bother getting any neighbors to speak up for Casey. That may garner a resounding NO, based on this interview. Also in this interview we learn that Kio, one of Casey's friends, discussed the likelihood of Caylee being buried in the woods where they hung out and buried their childhood pets. Wow.
Mr. Dickens tells the detectives that if there was a poll taken on their street, Cindy would be voted, "The ***** from hell".
Kio told the Dickens that Cindy had been in a psycho ward for a week. Now that, if true, Ms. Finell could run with.
Mr. Dickens goes on to say, Cindy had an affair, threw dad out of the house, she is evil, etc. etc.
He elaborated that Casey wanted to get rid of the baby, but Cindy wouldn't let her.

If the relatives would drop bombs like the neighbors, wow.....it is going to take a lot more than additional investigative hours. It is going to take a miracle! Judge Perry does not handle Federal jailhouse policy issues and he does not dole out miracles. He said he'll be all too happy to schedule night time depos and have the lawyers bring their lunches though.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I do not know the lady, but feel I do from listening to her narratives. Sierra, I believe, her channel is called. She often can be heard telling her small dog that shows up in the TV reflection to shhh or what a good dog it was to remain silent during the interview. She tapes everything, thank God. She may be one of our own members. I am not sure. I only know we are not permitted to sleuth out who our members are in real life. She makes me laugh, often. If she hears something outrageous or incredible, she will stop her tape and interject how and why what we just saw was a lie. She rather reminds me of Sophia from the Golden Girls ( not her age ), tell it like it is, suffer no fools but with charm. Whoever she is , I adore her. She can narrate my book, any time.

Oh, I'm not trying to sleuth her out- if you look on Youtube at the Bailey Dickens tape ( it's hilarious) they are the Anthony family's neighbors and she announces her name at the beginning of the tape..

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...onsistent-image-braless-with-school-marm-bun/

 

[RammerJammer]

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...onsistent-image-braless-with-school-marm-bun/

Interesting observations, however, the innumerous typos in her article are distracting and make me question her professionalism and credibility. She needs spell check or a good editor!