2010.11.02 Gonzalez Employee at Sawgrass

[Leila]

If you truly think about it---YES---she did commit idity theft---her whole persona was made up from whatever or whoever she was hanging with---her true self was never portrayed--it was always someone else---look at all the checks she signed of ca's--her "work" history, her schooling....she was a walking talking idenity theif...jmo

But, I wonder if Casey stole the information from Zenaida Gonzolas, the lady who was some sort of businesswoman in the Orlando area, whose office was broken into and her computer and information stolen.

That incident happened about a week or so prior to Casey's arrest on July 16, 2008. When media reports stated that the nanny, Zenaida Gonzolas, kidnapped Caylee Anthony, the poor woman was besieged with people thinking she was the kidnapper. She issued a statement on her website stating she wasn't that Zenaida Gonzolas.

 

[Leila]

This is where, if anywhere, I believe Mr. FrankM could come into play.

Hmmmm..........that's a possibility.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

As I was poking around by googling, the following popped up ~

"up to 2000 stacy oaks crystal river cash advance . . ."
impactodeportivo.com

Another time it came up; "crystal river payday loan online."
impactodeportivo.com

:waitasec: Now that's interesting that the former tenant in apartment 210 is affiliated with a crystal river loan outfit.

Also the name Cecelia Oaks turned up somehow too. Is Cecelia known as River or Crystal? I've forgotten now. Sounds to me as if GA could have been a customer of theirs. And how does Stacy fit in with these peeps? Apparently she's in the accounting business in orlando.

Is it at all possible that the people within Sawgrass Apartments helped to cover something up? To find even the slightest connection between some of these people is very odd indeed imo.

I do say there sure are endless coinky-dinks going on within this case. :waitasec: They seem to never end.

 

[Leila]

I was trying to find the original information about the office of Zenaida Gonzalez being broken into and her computer stolen, along with her personal information.

The incident happened on June 9-10, 2008 in Brevard County. I found the forum that Zenaida Gonzalez posted to stating, "I'm not that Zenaida Gonzalez." The second post in the forum is about the office break-in. Here is the link.

http://brevardcounty.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=444332&m=603374

 

[chefmom]

I was trying to find the original information about the office of Zenaida Gonzalez being broken into and her computer stolen, along with her personal information.

The incident happened on June 9-10, 2008 in Brevard County. I found the forum that Zenaida Gonzalez posted to stating, "I'm not that Zenaida Gonzalez." The second forum is about the office break-in. Here is the link.

http://brevardcounty.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=444332&m=603374

And funny how KC first stated that ZFG took Caylee on June 9. IMO, she had this name and date in her head for a reason.

 

[chizap]

:innocent:I seem to remember CA's therapist being in that building and also the woman that was killed in the park that day while jogging...???

 

[chefmom]

:innocent:I seem to remember CA's therapist being in that building and also the woman that was killed in the park that day while jogging...???

Yes, and it's sorta funny how KC's description of her ZFG matches that jogger, NG, verrry closely!

 

[Intermezzo]

I was trying to find the original information about the office of Zenaida Gonzalez being broken into and her computer stolen, along with her personal information.

The incident happened on June 9-10, 2008 in Brevard County. I found the forum that Zenaida Gonzalez posted to stating, "I'm not that Zenaida Gonzalez." The second post in the forum is about the office break-in. Here is the link.

http://brevardcounty.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=444332&m=603374

Thanks Leila
On July 21, 2008 this ZG from Brevard also posted that she passed on the burglary theory to the Detective handling her case.

Also from her posting she has to defend herself and states she is not involved and is not the ZG Casey accused. That she was bombarded by emails and phone calls, even some from the media, asking for a comment..so the ZFG that is suing was not the only ZG harassed.

 

[Intermezzo]

Yes, and it's sorta funny how KC's description of her ZFG matches that jogger, NG, verrry closely!

I agree, it sure does.

 

[Intermezzo]

:innocent:I seem to remember CA's therapist being in that building and also the woman that was killed in the park that day while jogging...???

The break-in of this ZG's office was in Brevard County (I don't have a location of her office but Brevard County is a long county 70 miles north to south)

CA's therapist and NicoleG (studying for her Masters Degree) worked at the University of Central Florida located in Orange County along Alafaya Trail and the Seminole County line)

 

[Crabcake23]

I also have wondered if she at times didn't park there at Sawgrass (as it was a familiar place to her) while Caylee napped in the car between shopping trips. She seems to have so much inside info on goings on in the Sawgrass office, it just makes one wonder if she didn't find some way of going through their trash in her "free time". I realize this sounds preposterous, but I wouldn't put anything past her. :waitasec:

Wait, wasn't there a friend or acquaintance of Casey's that worked in the office at the time? Who was that?

 

[Gma Kat]

Wait, wasn't there a friend or acquaintance of Casey's that worked in the office at the time? Who was that?

The only connection I recall Crabcake is that Amy Dowling once lived there. She also had another friend who rented out apartments, but in another facility. Your recollection of an acquaintance working at the office would certainly help explain her access to ZFG's rental application though!

 

[Starfish]

Yes, and it's sorta funny how KC's description of her ZFG matches that jogger, NG, verrry closely!

I also read somewhere that her description of zanny very closely matched the description of the first female officer to arrive at the Ant home. I don't remember where I read it, I've read so much!

 

[Chiquita71]

And funny how KC first stated that ZFG took Caylee on June 9. IMO, she had this name and date in her head for a reason.

Respectfully Quoted chefmom :cool2:
BBM

I have been playing with the idea that Casey wrote June 9th originally because she wanted excuses for all the stealing she had been doing.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_CaseyStatement071608.htm

7/16/08
Casey Anthony statement to LE

I have spent everyday, since Monday, June 9, 2008, looking for my daughter. I have lied and stolen from friends and family, to do whatever I could by any means to find my daughter. I avoided calling the police, or even notifying my own family out of fear. I have been, and still am afraid of what has, or may happen to Caylee. I have not had any contact with Zenaida since Thursday, June 12, 2008.

Now, reading what you guys are saying, it makes me think it even more.

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that I don’t know how to handle them all at once. I AM strong, and I AM confident in whom I AM, but I don’t like looking back at who I was, or what I was made to be. I’ve always had issues trusting people and I know that when I was a kid because of my parents and their relationship, but I have never stopped trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and even after they screw me over 100 times I’ll give them another chance. 70 X 7, huh? Blah, what if I don’t wanna? I’ve had to forgive what happened to my Caylee, but I’m still angry. If it weren’t for God, screw where I’m sitting now. If it weren’t for him and for my unconditional love for my daughter, I would end whoever is responsible. It’s not my battle. You want to know something, I know that Caylee’s nanny, the “real” Zenaida, the girl who was my friend for 4 years, I know in my heart that she’s not showing her face. Would you want to be sitting here with me for something you didn’t do? Considering the circumstances, you technically are and it still sucks. And I know this goes without saying, but outside myself and my legal team, not a soul knows this. I was going to take Caylee and move away. Unfortunately, my plans got beyond tangled when Zany wouldn’t tell me where she and Cays were. I had asked her to take Cays for a few days so I could put the rest of our stuff together, money I had saved, new clothes, new everything. That’s why I waited to report her missing, because she was and wasn’t. I would give ANYTHING to go back to that day and to not have let Caylee out of my sight.
(end)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100781&highlight=letters&page=2

When I think about Casey stating it was June 9th that she last saw Caylee, this part of Casey's letters always pops in my head. Then the idea she asked Cindy for "one more day" while they were sitting outside of the police station.

Theories that say the 'big fight' between Casey and Cindy happened June 8th/9th is beginning to add up for me. The fight was on that weekend, and it was that weekend Casey began to keep Caylee away from Cindy. I think that date is huge in Casey's mind because it's when she decided that if Cindy was going to act that way, she would get rid of Caylee. Not only did Casey not buy new clothes for Caylee between June 9th-July 15th, she kept coming to the house to get clothes for herself but never took anything for Caylee. Cindy noticed this and asked Casey about it and that is when Casey said Zanny had clothes for Caylee and Casey went to so far as to say that Zanny had just recently bought clothes for that weekend, IIRC.

I think Casey is the one who played a bluff and said her and Caylee were moving out. It seems funny that Cindy was okay with Casey coming back to the house and taking more and more of her things. Casey was still expected to bring Caylee by for certain times and events and Father's Day would be one of them.

My guess one reason Casey brought Caylee back on Father's Day was she wanted a babysitter, she went right back to Tony's while Cindy took Caylee to the nursing home.

I feel like something happened the June 9th, week(end) that was a change in the dynamic of Cindy with Caylee. It seems Casey and Caylee did still stay with George and Cindy until the 16th June(late 15th?) but I think Casey was biding her time and pushing the limits because she knew she was "outta there." Whatever Cindy told her that weekend, was a game ender for Casey-it was going to make it impossible for her life to continue in the manner to which she was accustomed, I think she took the time from June 9th to the 15th to figure out what she was going to do with Caylee.

Right now, I am thinking it was the car. The car was freedom to Casey, everything to Casey and she could not afford to get herself one. Maybe when Cindy found the no clothes party pictures and said, "you were are work huh?" she also said she would be taking the car from Casey. Since she wasn't working anyway.

In this letter Casey writes, she tries to say she gave Caylee to Zenaida for a few days so she could get their stuff together. She says money she had saved, to go away? I guess so...I also guess she did not want to spend that money she had saved to look for "Cays"( :furious: ). If she had money saved up I wonder why she had to steal? You don't have to answer that... Casey even uses this to say why she didn't report Caylee missing right away: because she was and she wasn't(missing, I suppose). I think Casey says she spoke to Zanny on June 12th because of this "script": she had given Caylee to Zanny so she could get everything ready for her and Caylee to go live their "new" life. Except Casey knew she was going to kill Caylee, she figured what other have said for so long...

The new life could be done by staying away from George and Cindy and the new friends she could tell anything about Caylee she wanted to. At the fourth of july party she and Amy went to go decorate and she offered to the young man there she had a daughter. Casey told Tony's roommate that Caylee was at the beach...etc. She was never really going to get away with it but I think she thought she would, that's what the whole diary of days entry is about.

(I reserve the right to be forgetting all kinds of details on this case, rendering everything I have said here: very wrong.) :dance:

So, to finally be on topic: I could see it being true that Casey broke into this office during that time, that it is possible she was looking for a new identity. Or at least an identity for who she gave her daughter to(?)
...js...

 

[RR0004]

:innocent:I seem to remember CA's therapist being in that building and also the woman that was killed in the park that day while jogging...???

Have I missed the address of the therapist? Is there a link? TIA

 

[RR0004]

Wait, wasn't there a friend or acquaintance of Casey's that worked in the office at the time? Who was that?

Just people she knew who lived there.

 

[Leila]

Respectfully Quoted chefmom :cool2:
BBM

I have been playing with the idea that Casey wrote June 9th originally because she wanted excuses for all the stealing she had been doing.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_CaseyStatement071608.htm

7/16/08
Casey Anthony statement to LE

I have spent everyday, since Monday, June 9, 2008, looking for my daughter. I have lied and stolen from friends and family, to do whatever I could by any means to find my daughter. I avoided calling the police, or even notifying my own family out of fear. I have been, and still am afraid of what has, or may happen to Caylee. I have not had any contact with Zenaida since Thursday, June 12, 2008.

Now, reading what you guys are saying, it makes me think it even more.

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that I don’t know how to handle them all at once. I AM strong, and I AM confident in whom I AM, but I don’t like looking back at who I was, or what I was made to be. I’ve always had issues trusting people and I know that when I was a kid because of my parents and their relationship, but I have never stopped trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and even after they screw me over 100 times I’ll give them another chance. 70 X 7, huh? Blah, what if I don’t wanna? I’ve had to forgive what happened to my Caylee, but I’m still angry. If it weren’t for God, screw where I’m sitting now. If it weren’t for him and for my unconditional love for my daughter, I would end whoever is responsible. It’s not my battle. You want to know something, I know that Caylee’s nanny, the “real” Zenaida, the girl who was my friend for 4 years, I know in my heart that she’s not showing her face. Would you want to be sitting here with me for something you didn’t do? Considering the circumstances, you technically are and it still sucks. And I know this goes without saying, but outside myself and my legal team, not a soul knows this. I was going to take Caylee and move away. Unfortunately, my plans got beyond tangled when Zany wouldn’t tell me where she and Cays were. I had asked her to take Cays for a few days so I could put the rest of our stuff together, money I had saved, new clothes, new everything. That’s why I waited to report her missing, because she was and wasn’t. I would give ANYTHING to go back to that day and to not have let Caylee out of my sight.
(end)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100781&highlight=letters&page=2

When I think about Casey stating it was June 9th that she last saw Caylee, this part of Casey's letters always pops in my head. Then the idea she asked Cindy for "one more day" while they were sitting outside of the police station.

Theories that say the 'big fight' between Casey and Cindy happened June 8th/9th is beginning to add up for me. The fight was on that weekend, and it was that weekend Casey began to keep Caylee away from Cindy. I think that date is huge in Casey's mind because it's when she decided that if Cindy was going to act that way, she would get rid of Caylee. Not only did Casey not buy new clothes for Caylee between June 9th-July 15th, she kept coming to the house to get clothes for herself but never took anything for Caylee. Cindy noticed this and asked Casey about it and that is when Casey said Zanny had clothes for Caylee and Casey went to so far as to say that Zanny had just recently bought clothes for that weekend, IIRC.

I think Casey is the one who played a bluff and said her and Caylee were moving out. It seems funny that Cindy was okay with Casey coming back to the house and taking more and more of her things. Casey was still expected to bring Caylee by for certain times and events and Father's Day would be one of them.

My guess one reason Casey brought Caylee back on Father's Day was she wanted a babysitter, she went right back to Tony's while Cindy took Caylee to the nursing home.

I feel like something happened the June 9th, week(end) that was a change in the dynamic of Cindy with Caylee. It seems Casey and Caylee did still stay with George and Cindy until the 16th June(late 15th?) but I think Casey was biding her time and pushing the limits because she knew she was "outta there." Whatever Cindy told her that weekend, was a game ender for Casey-it was going to make it impossible for her life to continue in the manner to which she was accustomed, I think she took the time from June 9th to the 15th to figure out what she was going to do with Caylee.

Right now, I am thinking it was the car. The car was freedom to Casey, everything to Casey and she could not afford to get herself one. Maybe when Cindy found the no clothes party pictures and said, "you were are work huh?" she also said she would be taking the car from Casey. Since she wasn't working anyway.

In this letter Casey writes, she tries to say she gave Caylee to Zenaida for a few days so she could get their stuff together. She says money she had saved, to go away? I guess so...I also guess she did not want to spend that money she had saved to look for "Cays"( :furious: ). If she had money saved up I wonder why she had to steal? You don't have to answer that... Casey even uses this to say why she didn't report Caylee missing right away: because she was and she wasn't(missing, I suppose). I think Casey says she spoke to Zanny on June 12th because of this "script": she had given Caylee to Zanny so she could get everything ready for her and Caylee to go live their "new" life. Except Casey knew she was going to kill Caylee, she figured what other have said for so long...

The new life could be done by staying away from George and Cindy and the new friends she could tell anything about Caylee she wanted to. At the fourth of july party she and Amy went to go decorate and she offered to the young man there she had a daughter. Casey told Tony's roommate that Caylee was at the beach...etc. She was never really going to get away with it but I think she thought she would, that's what the whole diary of days entry is about.

(I reserve the right to be forgetting all kinds of details on this case, rendering everything I have said here: very wrong.) :dance:

So, to finally be on topic: I could see it being true that Casey broke into this office during that time, that it is possible she was looking for a new identity. Or at least an identity for who she gave her daughter to(?)
...js...

You could be onto something here. Wasn't June 8th Cindy's birthday? I remember Lee stating something about being at the house that weekend - June 8th and/or 9th - for Cindy's birthday. IIRC that was the last time Lee saw Caylee. Cindy had taken vacation time that included her birthday of June 8th. There was something she stated about expecting to babysit with Caylee that week as she'd be on vacation and home, but Casey didn't leave Caylee with her as expected. So, the big fight could have been that weekend.

But, I think that something also happened on June 15th when Cindy and Caylee got home from visiting Cindy's father at the assisted living home and having dinner with Cindy's mother. I think that something pivotal happened.

The big fight could have been on the weekend of June 8 - 9, and Casey kept Caylee away from Cindy that week. Then let Cindy have Caylee on Father's Day as she wanted to spend time with Tony. But, I think something happened on the evening of June 15th too......another fight that set Casey's plan in motion.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Yes, and it's sorta funny how KC's description of her ZFG matches that jogger, NG, verrry closely!

"The body that was in the trunk was not my grandaughter".

 

[OneLostGrl]

Wait, wasn't there a friend or acquaintance of Casey's that worked in the office at the time? Who was that?

Could you be thinking of that girl who refused to be interviewed?

 

[Noddy]

Wait, wasn't there a friend or acquaintance of Casey's that worked in the office at the time? Who was that?

Katie R worked there and at first refused to be interviewed by LE. It was discussed on this thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76539&highlight=Vicky

She was a friend of Vicky who was a friend of ICA.