Zenaida's Sawgrass Apt's Visit Date Changed From April to June

[seagull65]

And therefore by you, no doubt.

No, I'm not 100% convinced, there were so many unanswered questions. I always wondered why Casey would have started telling the Zanny story way back in 2006, plus the many unanswered questions and coincidences, plus of course we heard testimony from YM in the trial stating that there had supposedly NOT been any security video of Sawgrass on that date after all (during the case he'd maintained to Casey A that they had video of the complex on that date and she wasn't on it). So I always wondered whether there weren't a few more shreds of truth to the stories than ever got pinned down, I find it still a bit mysterious even now. Imagine if he was just trying to bluff her out by saying he had video of the complex and she wasn't there on that date, but she actually was. Imagine if you'd been there but the police were telling you they had video that you weren't there. What would you think? I don't know if it's possible that she could have gone by there at any time on that date, or who else in the story could have. We'd have to look closely at her pings all over again. Of course they didn't track pings on everyone. And in the end, pings only show where your phone is of course.. But I know a lot of us basically ruled out her having been at Sawgrass because of the detectives' comments during her police interviews regarding the video.

 

[Tulessa]

And therefore by you, no doubt.

Be Nice. I will need you in April.

I am still so sick over this entire trial that it makes me wanna puke.

 

[atthelake]

besides all the lingering questions about similarities between some of Casey's acquaintances/friends and the "nanny", the Sawgrass connection, (and Cast Iron, Sawgrass, Fusian, etc, the crowds overlapped a lot).... the question of why Casey would have created a story about said nanny back in 2006 and then coincidentally a woman with the same name (except Fz) really was at Sawgrass on the date Casey claimed to have last dropped Caylee off there....and now knowing since the trial that there wasn't in fact video of Sawgrass on that date, (or LE at least now said there wasn't) so supposedly there really hadn't been any video proving Casey hadn't been there or who was or wasn't there...not to mention the weird similarities between Casey's zanny story and KMTC's "other Casey",.....besides all these lingering weirdnesses, there was also a ZG who was a grad of the hospitality college at one of the universities there (hint: same college/school mentioned by Jesse G early in the case when he said the head of that school wanted to help in whatever way possible with the search, which we all puzzled over at the time....) Anyway, there was one of the ZGs in the area, (see Zan not Zen) who fit the details of Casey's statement and description much more closely than ZCG (event planner, right age, grad of local university in event planning, some of the family names, phys descrip to a tee, etc.) Whether Casey just saw this person's pictures and details on the internet or knew of her through friends or ever knew this person in any capacity or didn't and it was just coincidence, who knows. Of course the question always remained, why invent a story back in 2006 that would match up with strange coincidences on June 17 2008. Still weird even at this late date.

I am DIZZY! Code word - Lake!!!!!!!!!



I am

 

[Intermezzo]

I think JA said it best in his book
It amazed him how the Lies of one(Casey) wreaked havoc on the normal lives of others.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

No, I'm not 100% convinced, there were so many unanswered questions. I always wondered why Casey would have started telling the Zanny story way back in 2006, plus the many unanswered questions and coincidences, plus of course we heard testimony from YM in the trial stating that there had supposedly NOT been any security video of Sawgrass on that date after all (during the case he'd maintained to Casey A that they had video of the complex on that date and she wasn't on it). So I always wondered whether there weren't a few more shreds of truth to the stories than ever got pinned down, I find it still a bit mysterious even now. Imagine if he was just trying to bluff her out by saying he had video of the complex and she wasn't there on that date, but she actually was. Imagine if you'd been there but the police were telling you they had video that you weren't there. What would you think? I don't know if it's possible that she could have gone by there at any time on that date, or who else in the story could have. We'd have to look closely at her pings all over again. Of course they didn't track pings on everyone. And in the end, pings only show where your phone is of course.. But I know a lot of us basically ruled out her having been at Sawgrass because of the detectives' comments during her police interviews regarding the video.

Well I'd tell the truth, so I don't know why I would be in that situation. It all goes back to her lies. Why would she say she dropped Caylee off "like a normal day" as she is supposedly trying to get help from detectives to find her "missing" daughter? I don't know why she started the Zanny stuff in 2006...I assume it was an easy way to dupe her family into doing what she wanted/giving her money, whatever. The depths of her motivations and complexity of her lies is beyond me. I choose to keep simple things simple. She would never have lied about anything if she were innocent. Ever.

 

[miss plum]

When LA is speaking to OCA in the first jail tape he says, 'this Zanny person' in a sceptical voice that sounds as if no one in the family had ever heard of Zanny until Day 31. It strikes me every time I hear it. I view any references they make to knowing about her before then as just more revisionism.

 

[LambChop]

Well I'd tell the truth, so I don't know why I would be in that situation. It all goes back to her lies. Why would she say she dropped Caylee off "like a normal day" as she is supposedly trying to get help from detectives to find her "missing" daughter? I don't know why she started the Zanny stuff in 2006...I assume it was an easy way to dupe her family into doing what she wanted/giving her money, whatever. The depths of her motivations and complexity of her lies is beyond me. I choose to keep simple things simple. She would never have lied about anything if she were innocent. Ever.

Zanny was an around in 2006 because KC needed someone "imaginary" to watch Caylee while KC went to her "imaginary" job. So it seems logical that when Caylee disappears it was ZG who took her. Getting information on ZG was easy for KC because KC had already made up Zanny so anyone, anyone with that name was a potential target. Which is what we are now seeing. The description of Zanny was in KC's imagination only. Situations, events, etc. were all real but woven into KC's tale to make it sound like the truth. KC is not that hard to figure out. She lies therefore you can't believe anything she says. And, of course, the information for ZG does not match exactly because it was never meant to. It was only suppose to draw attention away from KC at the cost of an innocent person. The point of ZG's lawsuit is that it did work for a short period of time and the attention was focused on ZG at least in the community ZG lived in. jmo

 

[ZsaZsa]

besides all the lingering questions about similarities between some of Casey's acquaintances/friends and the "nanny", the Sawgrass connection, (and Cast Iron, Sawgrass, Fusian, etc, the crowds overlapped a lot).... the question of why Casey would have created a story about said nanny back in 2006 and then coincidentally a woman with the same name (except Fz) really was at Sawgrass on the date Casey claimed to have last dropped Caylee off there....and now knowing since the trial that there wasn't in fact video of Sawgrass on that date, (or LE at least now said there wasn't) so supposedly there really hadn't been any video proving Casey hadn't been there or who was or wasn't there...not to mention the weird similarities between Casey's zanny story and KMTC's "other Casey",.....besides all these lingering weirdnesses, there was also a ZG who was a grad of the hospitality college at one of the universities there (hint: same college/school mentioned by Jesse G early in the case when he said the head of that school wanted to help in whatever way possible with the search, which we all puzzled over at the time....) Anyway, there was one of the ZGs in the area, (see Zan not Zen) who fit the details of Casey's statement and description much more closely than ZCG (event planner, right age, grad of local university in event planning, some of the family names, phys descrip to a tee, etc.) Whether Casey just saw this person's pictures and details on the internet or knew of her through friends or ever knew this person in any capacity or didn't and it was just coincidence, who knows. Of course the question always remained, why invent a story back in 2006 that would match up with strange coincidences on June 17 2008. Still weird even at this late date.

IIRC none of Casey's friends ever heard the name Zanny until Caylee went 'missing'. Casey just called her the babysitter or the Nanny.
Neither had George or Lee ever heard the name, according to their statements.
Jesse had heard of a Zani for around 6 months, but knew no details.
The only other person I recall who says she knew the name going back a year or two was Cindy, but we know how honest she turned out to be...

 

[ZsaZsa]

Zanny was an around in 2006 because KC needed someone "imaginary" to watch Caylee while KC went to her "imaginary" job. So it seems logical that when Caylee disappears it was ZG who took her. Getting information on ZG was easy for KC because KC had already made up Zanny so anyone, anyone with that name was a potential target. Which is what we are now seeing. The description of Zanny was in KC's imagination only. Situations, events, etc. were all real but woven into KC's tale to make it sound like the truth. KC is not that hard to figure out. She lies therefore you can't believe anything she says. And, of course, the information for ZG does not match exactly because it was never meant to. It was only suppose to draw attention away from KC at the cost of an innocent person. The point of ZG's lawsuit is that it did work for a short period of time and the attention was focused on ZG at least in the community ZG lived in. jmo

My feeling was that Zanny was her term for Xanax.
I'm not sure how Zenaida would have been shortened to Zanny, it doesn't sound real. Wouldn't Zenny be more likely? She just pounced on that name at Sawgrass when she needed a Nanny story that sounded feasible in her mind. A diabolical liar is what Jesse called her... he knew her well.

 

[com n sense]

No, I'm not 100% convinced, there were so many unanswered questions. I always wondered why Casey would have started telling the Zanny story way back in 2006, plus the many unanswered questions and coincidences, plus of course we heard testimony from YM in the trial stating that there had supposedly NOT been any security video of Sawgrass on that date after all (during the case he'd maintained to Casey A that they had video of the complex on that date and she wasn't on it). So I always wondered whether there weren't a few more shreds of truth to the stories than ever got pinned down, I find it still a bit mysterious even now. Imagine if he was just trying to bluff her out by saying he had video of the complex and she wasn't there on that date, but she actually was. Imagine if you'd been there but the police were telling you they had video that you weren't there. What would you think? I don't know if it's possible that she could have gone by there at any time on that date, or who else in the story could have. We'd have to look closely at her pings all over again. Of course they didn't track pings on everyone. And in the end, pings only show where your phone is of course.. But I know a lot of us basically ruled out her having been at Sawgrass because of the detectives' comments during her police interviews regarding the video.

But didn't Casey admit in the end that it was all another one of her lies?:waitasec:
Her version during the trial had nothing to do with Sawgrass or ZG, infact her whole lie changed when the real ZG was pulled in & questioned>:banghead:

 

[logicalgirl]

Does anyone know if the gym at Sawgrass is located in the same building as the leasing agent's office? If I remember correctly FCA texted someone about using the gym at Tony's apartment.

IMO

Not sure what you are asking? Tony's apartment wasn't any where near Sawgrass Apts.?

 

[jon_burrows]

Not sure what you are asking? Tony's apartment wasn't any where near Sawgrass Apts.?

Never mind...thanks for the correction.

IMO

 

[Intermezzo]

Well I'd tell the truth, so I don't know why I would be in that situation. It all goes back to her lies. Why would she say she dropped Caylee off "like a normal day" as she is supposedly trying to get help from detectives to find her "missing" daughter? I don't know why she started the Zanny stuff in 2006...I assume it was an easy way to dupe her family into doing what she wanted/giving her money, whatever. The depths of her motivations and complexity of her lies is beyond me. I choose to keep simple things simple. She would never have lied about anything if she were innocent. Ever.

I agree with you Horace,

Does anyone remember the dates the Grunds were watching Caylee or how old Caylee was?

IIRC...Casey's friend(Lauren) started to babysit Caylee after the Grunds stopped...thinking Casey was working and she wanted to help out her friend.
Then the babysitter friend found out Casey had lied and was not working, she then stopped babysitting Caylee.

Neighbor and friend Holly G stated she also babysat Caylee..but I don't remember the specifics..

When Casey had no one to watch Caylee during the day, she started dropping Caylee off to Cindy at work, under the ruse she, Casey, had to work in the evenings.

It seems Casey did not take care of Caylee from very early on...

She abandoned her job at Universal but continued to tell people she was working so she did not have to care for her own child during the day and had others watching Caylee...
Then she starting handing Caylee off to Cindy at Gentiva

So where did Casey go during Caylee's infancy and early toddlerhood if Casey had others care for Caylee during the day?

 

[Intermezzo]

When LA is speaking to OCA in the first jail tape he says, 'this Zanny person' in a sceptical voice that sounds as if no one in the family had ever heard of Zanny until Day 31. It strikes me every time I hear it. I view any references they make to knowing about her before then as just more revisionism.

I am inclined to believe Lee, who was not living at home and had a job and his own life, did not know about this Zanny the Nanny story until Casey told him Caylee was kidnapped

 

[logicalgirl]

My feeling was that Zanny was her term for Xanax.
I'm not sure how Zenaida would have been shortened to Zanny, it doesn't sound real. Wouldn't Zenny be more likely? She just pounced on that name at Sawgrass when she needed a Nanny story that sounded feasible in her mind. A diabolical liar is what Jesse called her... he knew her well.

Didn't I read there was a cartoon or some kind of TV show that originally coined the name "Zanny the Nanny"? Maybe in a children's story? I think so...:waitasec: although I also assumed it was from Xanax...???

 

[logicalgirl]

I am inclined to believe Lee, who was not living at home and had a job and his own life, did not know about this Zanny the Nanny story until Casey told him Caylee was kidnapped

Agree Intermezzo - it appears from Lee's testimony on the stand that he was pretty much shut out of much of Caylee's life while she was alive...particularly as far as the details went.

 

[zippitydoda]

I made the mistake of viewing some of the jail house videos to find the Zanny conversation. My head hurts real bad, and I'm now in a super grumpy mood. I gave up after the 3rd youtube video. OCA is really a dangerous person, and its just frightning to watch her agian, even after all this time. I also see what bad actors her parents are too.

 

[logicalgirl]

I made the mistake of viewing some of the jail house videos to find the Zanny conversation. My head hurts real bad, and I'm now in a super grumpy mood. I gave up after the 3rd youtube video. OCA is really a dangerous person, and its just frightning to watch her agian, even after all this time. I also see what bad actors her parents are too.

..................:therethere: ...........:blowkiss:

 

[ZsaZsa]

I agree with you Horace,

Does anyone remember the dates the Grunds were watching Caylee or how old Caylee was?

IIRC...Casey's friend(Lauren) started to babysit Caylee after the Grunds stopped...thinking Casey was working and she wanted to help out her friend.
Then the babysitter friend found out Casey had lied and was not working, she then stopped babysitting Caylee.

Neighbor and friend Holly G stated she also babysat Caylee..but I don't remember the specifics..

When Casey had no one to watch Caylee during the day, she started dropping Caylee off to Cindy at work, under the ruse she, Casey, had to work in the evenings.

It seems Casey did not take care of Caylee from very early on...

She abandoned her job at Universal but continued to tell people she was working so she did not have to care for her own child during the day and had others watching Caylee...
Then she starting handing Caylee off to Cindy at Gentiva

So where did Casey go during Caylee's infancy and early toddlerhood if Casey had others care for Caylee during the day?

According to Richard Grund they started watching Caylee two or three days a week (Jesse also gave up his only day off each week to care for her) in Mar/April/May of 06 after Lauren Gibbs stopped babysitting for her- ( she found out Casey was not really working just dumping Caylee on her) .
As to what Casey did all that time I think from Cindy's credit card accounts she spent a lot of time at Target spending her money, and the rest of it online/on the phone chatting and texting. From the earliest days she tried
to con anyone she could into looking after Caylee- she could not wait to get rid of her.

 

[Anakerie]

Didn't I read there was a cartoon or some kind of TV show that originally coined the name "Zanny the Nanny"? Maybe in a children's story? I think so...:waitasec: although I also assumed it was from Xanax...???

I vaguely remember posts mentioning a book about a "Zanny the nanny", not a tv show... Vague because CRS has slapped me upside the head today... lol