2010.11.03 Third party involved?

[Clue Hopper]

Thank you for explaining this, I guess I never really thought about it - after reading what goes into that carp it amazes me that tweakers ever live past the first dose of that poison.

Is it coming down that causes the deep sleep that people are unable to be roused from? I was thinking of the breeder of baby Maggie Mae - the aunt saying she was unable to wake the monster, when she couldn't find the baby after she had supposedly been put to bed - but was "missing".

I'm not sure about the after effects. I would assume they would have a deep sleep. I know the lady above us would be up for days/nights on end with no sleep. So I would assume that would be exhausting. If she slept any at all it was in the daytime. She was always making noise at night.

 

[TrialAddict]

I agree. He had to have noticed something. Could he have been that oblivious about the blood splatter, or that naive? How could he be in the home and not notice anything?

Did anyone notice the huge syringe that was shown when they showed the pic's of some of the items LE removed from the home. It was with the blue rubber gloves and a few other things?

If this has already been addressed I apologize.

 

[wenwe4]

I agree. He had to have noticed something. Could he have been that oblivious about the blood splatter, or that naive? How could he be in the home and not notice anything?

Did anyone notice the huge syringe that was shown when they showed the pic's of some of the items LE removed from the home. It was with the blue rubber gloves and a few other things?

If this has already been addressed I apologize.

Where are you looking Clown?

 

[myzzy]

I agree. He had to have noticed something. Could he have been that oblivious about the blood splatter, or that naive? How could he be in the home and not notice anything?/

Same reason LE initally missed the entire house as a crime scene????? they missed it so why would it be so hard to believe that AB missed it

 

[Kamille]

I agree. He had to have noticed something. Could he have been that oblivious about the blood splatter, or that naive? How could he be in the home and not notice anything?

I don't believe the blood splatter was obvious, I think it was picked up with the luminol. If this was supposed to have been in the bedroom where they removed a portion of the wall, LE had been in there a couple of weeks before removing her bed and didn't notice it. In fact, they had total access to the house at that time without a warrant, with AB's approval, and obviously didn't notice anything anywhere in the house at that time either.

MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

The police entered the home after the clean-up had occured. AB was in that home while the clean-up was happening. By that I mean that the paint had not yet dried as it takes time for paint to dry. The police were called to the house after Zahra had been missing for awhile. The proof of that (for me) is that locals saw AB and EB at Oktoberfest without Zahra the night before. It takes time to do what was done, more than 2 hours. Sorry but if even if someone other than EB and AB helped or had any part in what happened it still does not explain why AB was "clueless" and it doesn't make him less guilty.

MOO

 

[Clue Hopper]

The police entered the home after the clean-up had occured. AB was in that home while the clean-up was happening. By that I mean that the paint had not yet dried as it takes time for paint to dry. The police were called to the house after Zahra had been missing for awhile. The proof of that (for me) is that locals saw AB and EB at Oktoberfest without Zahra the night before. It takes time to do what was done, more than 2 hours. Sorry but if even if someone other than EB and AB helped or had any part in what happened it still does not explain why AB was "clueless" and it doesn't make him less guilty.

MOO

I keep hearing this that locals seen them at Oktoberfest. I have not heard one thing about it through media or LE. It would seem that when the Chief asked for information that someone would have stepped up and said something. :twocents:

 

[Kamille]

The police entered the home after the clean-up had occured. AB was in that home while the clean-up was happening. By that I mean that the paint had not yet dried as it takes time for paint to dry. The police were called to the house after Zahra had been missing for awhile. The proof of that (for me) is that locals saw AB and EB at Oktoberfest without Zahra the night before. It takes time to do what was done, more than 2 hours. Sorry but if even if someone other than EB and AB helped or had any part in what happened it still does not explain why AB was "clueless" and it doesn't make him less guilty.

MOO

Do we have a link to something that says that locals have gone on record saying they saw AB and EB at Oktoberfest?

Do we have a link indicating that the painting done in the house wasn't done over a period of time since they first moved in and wasn't just a redecorating job being undertaken prior to Zahra's death?

 

[TorisMom003]

As far as I know the LE asked for people that had seen Zahra to come forward. I never heard them say for people that had seen AB or EB to come forward. Since the locals have said that Zahra was not with them the night before that may be why the locals didn't contact LE. It could also be that they (locals) have gone to LE about seeing AB and EB without Zahra that night and LE has not made that public yet.

 

[Peliman]

She would have had the opportunity to use it either Thursday or Friday night while AB was sleeping but one thing I noted from the warrants is that the cadaver dogs supposedly hit on ONE or both of the vehicles. It has never been positively stated that both vehicles (or either for that matter) tested positive for human remains.

MOO

Yes, neither do we have AB's scheduled work hours or know how much time he spent at the house. AB's story is very weak on details. For example, he initially stated he was working Sat. morning, later to he was working in the back yard.

Least that's the way I was viewing it as it developed.

 

[myzzy]

The police entered the home after the clean-up had occured. AB was in that home while the clean-up was happening. By that I mean that the paint had not yet dried as it takes time for paint to dry. The police were called to the house after Zahra had been missing for awhile. The proof of that (for me) is that locals saw AB and EB at Oktoberfest without Zahra the night before. It takes time to do what was done, more than 2 hours. Sorry but if even if someone other than EB and AB helped or had any part in what happened it still does not explain why AB was "clueless" and it doesn't make him less guilty.

MOO

Respectfully,

I would bet my savings that the police entered that home the minute they reported ZB missing. If even to only confirm that she is not in that house. I would also go further and say that they spent time in that home during the first couple of hours after they were called and werent standing outside discussing possibilitys.. Ive speculated before, saying that LE would be looking for a crime inside the house on ANY possible abduction as its not unheard of for the parents to murder their children and claim abduction.

They had access to that house from day one and NOTHING visually made them question a crime had taken place in that house. Fresh paint would be apparent ( smell, sharp/clean ect ) until later.

Im not so sure on the oktoberfest being accurate.

 

[TrialAddict]

Where are you looking Clown?

It was on NG last night, but I know it was a re-run from before the weekend.

 

[netsleuther]

So if there are accomplices - the story in the search warrants did not come from EB but from another source. This would mean that EB is protecting the accomplices but throwing AB under the bus.

And with the deceptiveness coming from EB with the ransom note and knowledge of more facts, her accomplices might be just as deceptive and could have been standing right next to AB after the fact and he wouldn't know it.

It would seem that AB was unable to smell a rat if this went on under his nose.

 

[TrialAddict]

I am and have been on the fence about AB's involvement. Just something makes me think he wasn't. Not even for the dismemberment. But I will not be shocked if it turns out he was.

 

[Jolynna]

Respectfully,

I would bet my savings that the police entered that home the minute they reported ZB missing. If even to only confirm that she is not in that house. I would also go further and say that they spent time in that home during the first couple of hours after they were called and werent standing outside discussing possibilitys.. Ive speculated before, saying that LE would be looking for a crime inside the house on ANY possible abduction as its not unheard of for the parents to murder their children and claim abduction.

They had access to that house from day one and NOTHING visually made them question a crime had taken place in that house. Fresh paint would be apparent ( smell, sharp/clean ect ) until later.

Im not so sure on the oktoberfest being accurate.

In response to the part I made bold...

LE thought SOMETHING took place.

Within 72 hours of being called out to that house, Zahra's Amber Alert was canceled and the case officially became a homicide.

 

[westsidefox64]

In response to the part I made bold...

LE thought SOMETHING took place.

Within 72 hours of being called out to that house, Zahra's Amber Alert was canceled and the case officially became a homicide.

I think this happened after EB too the LD test. I think after she failed the LD she started talking JMO

 

[netsleuther]

That's exactly what I think.

Thanks for stating it so succinctly!

It might have been obvious to LE that EB was trying to throw AB under the bus too, like right from the get go when LE and AB were standing in front of the TV camera saying they would like to keep things in the investigation.

LE knew EB had a past, other people close to EB knew that EB had a past too and maybe they helped conceal the past from AB, like they all sucked him in... so AB says on camera, "I wouldn't like to think so but after what I have heard it may be possible".

I also believe EB would not have accomplished the whole thing without help of others. Thanks for starting this thread

I am curious now to know if AB has had a falling out with anyone else even if he was not aware that he had a falling out with someone. if that makes any sense.

 

[myzzy]

In response to the part I made bold...

LE thought SOMETHING took place.

Within 72 hours of being called out to that house, Zahra's Amber Alert was canceled and the case officially became a homicide.

correct, but doesnt mean they visually saw anything in that house that made them think it was a crime scene. COuld be information that they got, found something they didnt tell us at a dumpster, Lie detector tests, the false ransom letter ect..

if they thought something was in that house it would not have taken 72+ hours to declare it a crime scene and secure the location, it was only after they got information did that happen and i assume it was from someone not something that made them go back to that house

 

[westsidefox64]

So many keep arguing the poin that AB would have smelled the blood and decomp. I would think if that smell was there LE would have smelled something. If they did smell something wouldnt they have had a warrant and tore the house apart much sooner than they did? LE is trained in these things where AB wouldnt be. Therefore I dont think there was a strong Blood or decomp odor present. JMO

 

[netsleuther]

The problem with the timeline is that no one has claimed to see Zahra since the furniture store encounter. Since they moved to the new home on 21st, you would think there would be grocery store employees who remember seeing Zahra shopping with EB or AB there. Maybe we just don't have all of the info and LE already has sightings of Zahra - but they have publically stated that no one has seen her since the furniture store. Could it be that Zahra was actually missing much longer than what we have been thinking?

Thinking about a Dr Phil moment here if past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior maybe Z had been left home alone plenty of times when the shopping was done.