2010.11.03 Third party involved?

[netsleuther]

So many keep arguing the poin that AB would have smelled the blood and decomp. I would think if that smell was there LE would have smelled something. If they did smell something wouldnt they have had a warrant and tore the house apart much sooner than they did? LE is trained in these things where AB wouldnt be. Therefore I dont think there was a strong Blood or decomp odor present. JMO

Could it be possible that LE and or AB would have smelled cleaning products instead of blood and decomp. There has been a photo of the inside of the Hickory House showing a bottle of AJAX in the kitchen. Maybe EB was having a burst of energy doing housework right up to the dates of the 911 calls so AB would not have noticed any smell of blood etc but the house probably smelled like an antiseptic factory.

 

[myzzy]

Could it be possible that LE and or AB would have smelled cleaning products instead of blood and decomp. There has been a photo of the inside of the Hickory House showing a bottle of AJAX in the kitchen. Maybe EB was having a burst of energy doing housework right up to the dates of the 911 calls so AB would not have noticed any smell of blood etc but the house probably smelled like an antiseptic factory.

as someone stated above, i would think police would have questioned the smell of heavy cleaner, I know i would if a kid was possibly abducted, everything would be a clue and to me that would make them look closer and harder.

I would think police would be looking for anything and everything even IF they did not think the parents were suspects at the inital start of the case. They would be looking for clues of something that has happened to ZB.

 

[Kamille]

Yes, neither do we have AB's scheduled work hours or know how much time he spent at the house. AB's story is very weak on details. For example, he initially stated he was working Sat. morning, later to he was working in the back yard.

Least that's the way I was viewing it as it developed.

I think he actually stated, at least in that tv interview, that he went to "check on a job" Saturday morning, returned home shortly before 2pm and went out to the yard to do some work.

But you're right, we don't have any confirmation that AB was doing anything that he says he was doing either. But then he is still out on bond so it's hard to tell what LE has with regards to his work schedule during that critical time.

MOO

 

[Clue Hopper]

Since this question has been brought up so many times. I asked my hunter neighbor. He processes his own deer. Of course this is a deer and not a human so take it as you will. He told me depending on size he can process a deer by himself within 3-4 hours. Clean the entire mess up with no problem in less then 2 hrs. So from start to finish 6 hrs. I had a brain burp and forgot to ask where he did the processing. He did however volunteer that he uses a boning knife, skinning knife and a hacksaw.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I really hope that AB had nothing to do with Zahra's demise and cover up, because that would be so much more terrible in lieu of all that has happened to such a beautiful girl, and the fact her dad could betray her in such a horrific way. I really don't want to think that. She was a shining example of the Aussie spirit, god Bless her, she endured so much in her short life, and then to come all the way to this country and have to go through this atrocity! I wish her dad had never met that witch online, the one that claims she is some vampire/queen of darkness, that to me pretty much sums it up anyway! What a pathetic excuse for a so called human being!
I was surprised to read Zahra was born in Wagga Wagga. That is only an hour from where i am from. I have also lived in Townsville for quite a few years, and two of my children were born there. I am also familiar with Guru, as we called it, where Zahra was living. When i go back home to Oz, i am going to place some Flowers in her memory. What a disaster for her family, especially her Mum.
I am still leaning toward that evil dark thing that called herself a stepmother to Zahra's very sad and tragic life and death here in America.
Now you can Fly free beautiful Angel Zahra, and be wherever you want to be, no more pain or suffering from those that perpetuated this evil upon you.

 

[netsleuther]

^^ Whenever AB worked out what happened with Zahra he did not show any emotion, whether he was involved, worked it out during the last few days, or after Elisa's arrest, there has been very little reaction from him...He also seemed dull witted in response to the 'AY brother / AY ex scenario' and a number of other massive lies Elisa told him, unusual fellow who I fail to understand.

I wonder how many times AB had sit and watched "brother and sister" together and if they could laugh/talk about it behind his back like he was a fool who didn't have a clue?

I suppose moving to a new country and not knowing anyone other than the people EB introduced him to, AB would have been none the wiser and would have accepted any story EB the bounty hunter, ex cop, song writer fed him.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ yes, it seems so, and I guess since those stories came out before the move to the states, that they didn't send up any red flags for him either .. very unusual fellow.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

What stories came out where? Is there a link please, TIA.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Wright says friends in Australia were suspicious of Elisa Baker when Adam Baker met her online in early 2008 and invited her to visit. Elisa Baker told them she was she was a police officer who was shot in the line of duty. She also said she was a bounty hunter and had met celebrities.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39673288/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

 

[netsleuther]

I have searched for the video where AB and LE were standing out from of Hickory PD but unable to locate it. If someone has the link to the AB video from ABC online where LE say that they would prefer to keep it in the investigation... could they please post it in this thread?

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I might add even if there were some odd things that came out with stories/lies EF had told AB, and she is known for that, would he ever in his wildest dreams have expected that anyone would do something so horrific to his daughter, if he wasn't involved in it that is? If AB is a drinker and druggie, then who knows i guess, and i have read of people doing some really crazy horrific and bizarre things under the influence of Meth.
I do know a lot of Aussie men enjoy their beer, but i don't know if AB used drugs. Have seen it mentioned where EF was a drug user though.It is not strange to me that AB comes across as dim witted, so to speak! I know having lived in Townsville, Far Nth. Queensland, the folk up there are very laid back and kinda slow. It is the Tropical region of Australia up there, and nothing happens in a hurry, that's for sure, and they all love their beer up there. Their attitude is one of "She'll be Right Mate"! Not unusual if you've ever met anyone from that part of the world. Although maybe i need to see some footage of this bloke to decide what i think. Will have to see if i can find some.

 

[KikiWanBaniki]

As always, unless linked, JMO:

FWIW/BBM~

Accordingto the official Clorox website:

"The smell of bleach in a well ventilated room should not linger after it has been used for cleaning and disinfecting. In fact, bleach breaks
down quickly into salt and water. In cases where bleach smell seems to linger or is particularly strong after cleaning has taken place,
check to ensure area is well ventilated and product is not being overused."

Also, I did not know much about Luminol prior to Zahra's story, but I have been thinking on the following for a while: Luminol reacts to bleach, as well as blood. http://science.howstuffworks.com/luminol3.htm

It is my humble and honest opinion that both of these facts may be crucially involved in this case. Although I do try to be objective and always open to other trains of thought, it is my belief that it is entirely plausible that the whole thing went down without AB's knowledge. Don't want to get anyone riled up, just throwing in my two cents' worth. Thanks for 'listening'.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I have searched for the video where AB and LE were standing out from of Hickory PD but unable to locate it. If someone has the link to the AB video from ABC online where LE say that they would prefer to keep it in the investigation... could they please post it in this thread?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/search-zahra-stepmom-custody-11848861

 

[krimekat]

I hope AB was not involved . . .

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I hope AB was not involved . . .

I hope so too, because that would be beyond shocking if he were.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

Well i did some searching around to see if i could find any footage of AB, but what i found was footage of Emily, Zahra's bio mum, and i was in tears. How absolutely inhuman to have to finally make some contact with her precious child, and then such a cruel twist of fate. I hope if AB is guilty of anything to do with this i hope the devil himself comes for him soon, and that that he called "mother" to poor little Zahra.
After reading Emily's plight, i am now having different views on AB, why couldn't he have let Zahra have contact with her mum. That just isn't right at all.
He better pray he's innocent of any knowledge of abuse or anything else that led to this beautiful girl's horrific circumstances, because if he's guilty i hope he ends up in GP at the prison, and they don't tolerate child murderers in there, and that goes for stepmonster too.

 

[Makara]

I've swung back and forth on the idea that EB had an accomplice. At the moment IMO she did. Could it be possible that Z saw EB getting down and friendly with someone other than AB and said she was going to tell Daddy? In a drug enfueled rage a beating and dismemberment ensued at the hands of EB and the unwitting accomplice?

What has always bothered me is the alleged time frame between the report of the fire and the report of Zahra missing. The fire was attended at 5:30am and the report of Zahra missing was at 2:00pm. That is 8 1/2 hours. What was EB doing during that time?

IMO it is possible that AB was oblivious to what was going on around him. We don't know for certain the full time-line of events but I do think it's possible that EB could have put it over AB whom it would seem, lives in his own little world, and left the "mothering" of Zahra to EB. :banghead:

 

[Clue Hopper]

In response to the part I made bold...

LE thought SOMETHING took place.

Within 72 hours of being called out to that house, Zahra's Amber Alert was canceled and the case officially became a homicide.

LE had information from EB. That is what turned it from a missing/abducted child to a homicide investigation.

 

[Clue Hopper]

As far as I know the LE asked for people that had seen Zahra to come forward. I never heard them say for people that had seen AB or EB to come forward. Since the locals have said that Zahra was not with them the night before that may be why the locals didn't contact LE. It could also be that they (locals) have gone to LE about seeing AB and EB without Zahra that night and LE has not made that public yet.

When it was an amber alert LE was asking for any information at all. I don't know maybe I'm just weird like this, but it would have occurred to me if I had seen the parents at Oktoberfest without the child the night before she became missing I would be suspicious and tell LE. I would say this might not mean a thing, but I seen the parents out without the child the night before. But that's just me I guess.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Could EB and accomplices be responsible for death/coverup - without AB's knowledge?

Anything is possible...I look at the Kyron case and think the same....JMHO


The only way this could be possible is if AB was working away from home. I'd like to know his schedule in the week leading up to Zahra's demise. It appears to me, he didn't believe EF was still married to AY until the police showed him proof. He later had that sign about Zahra being abused daily by her step momster....he must have just learned that as well from LE, or why the sign???

I truly want to hear more about AB whereabouts...JMHO

Justice for Zahra