2011.01.03 - Motions Hearing (Summary Thread)

[ynotdivein]

I'm thinking you are right and it makes it even funnier! :floorlaugh:

So O/T questions somewhat - so what do you think Michelle and ICA were chatting about behind hands while CM and Baez were up at the sidebar have a little chat with HHJP?
For a change, it didn't look like they were all giggling and exchanging "do you think that cute guy has noticed me" notes......

Based on the looks Michelle was shooting to the cameraman, it sure wasn't "do you think the video guy is a hottie"...

Michelle was clearly too far away to absorb the full lesson that CM gave KC when he demonstrated how to effectively use a binder to block TV camera angles*. We could still see your lips, Michelle...

(*= as opposed to "how to effectively use a binder to bop your lead counsel in the head, thereby rendering him even less effective and bolstering your eventual ineptitude-of-defense appeal")

 

[Kimmer]

I am interested in the exchange between CM and JBP when CM stated that he didn't want this case tried twice, and JBP said that he would try it twice if need be, and then went on to tell the defence that there are attorney's now that are looking for cases where they can sue a defence attorney to recover tax payers money for the JAC and the State, so does anyone else think that JBP already knows there has been misappropriation of funds? Or do you think this was his way of warning the defence that they are being watched? I found that exchange very interesting but I am not sure why JBP threw that out there, Any thoughts?

 

[manatee]

I am interested in the exchange between CM and JBP when CM stated that he didn't want this case tried twice, and JBP said that he would try it twice if need be, and then went on to tell the defence that there are attorney's now that are looking for cases where they can sue a defence attorney to recover tax payers money for the JAC and the State, so does anyone else think that JBP already knows there has been misappropriation of funds? Or do you think this was his way of warning the defence that they are being watched? I found that exchange very interesting but I am not sure why JBP threw that out there, Any thoughts?

Yes, I did catch that. I would not be surprised if Morgan would take HHJB up on it after he is done with the ZFG civil suit. :great:

 

[nachomama]

Yes, I did catch that. I would not be surprised if Morgan would take HHJB up on it after he is done with the ZFG civil suit. :great:

Yep... Like our local TV ad's say " MORGAN and MORGAN... FOR THE PEOPLE "
As a FL taxpayer.. I hope someone goes after em...

 

[JSR]

I am interested in the exchange between CM and JBP when CM stated that he didn't want this case tried twice, and JBP said that he would try it twice if need be, and then went on to tell the defence that there are attorney's now that are looking for cases where they can sue a defence attorney to recover tax payers money for the JAC and the State, so does anyone else think that JBP already knows there has been misappropriation of funds? Or do you think this was his way of warning the defence that they are being watched? I found that exchange very interesting but I am not sure why JBP threw that out there, Any thoughts?

If I had to guess, I would say a little of both.

I don't know how above board the people involved are, but my guess is that the numbers don't add up and his Honor suspects they don't add up.

For example it's highly possible that JB and company DO have all the misc administrative investigative work done by a paralegal or legal assistant but know they can't charge the JAC for that work. So they have an investigator (who's not entirely honest) bill for that extra "work" that he claims he does. Then the JAC cuts a check and $$ changes from a few hands.

Personally, JB doesn't seem above board, and in any way shape or form. So I'm of the opinion that the costs submitted to the JAC are not correct and have been padded in some shape or form. But again, I have no proof of that. Just entirely speculation encouraged by JB's often sneaky ways.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

He said gag order would be placed on the lawyers if he told them early where the trial would be held.

'Bout time somebody GAGGED JB.

 

[MissJames]

If I had to guess, I would say a little of both.

I don't know how above board the people involved are, but my guess is that the numbers don't add up and his Honor suspects they don't add up.

For example it's highly possible that JB and company DO have all the misc administrative investigative work done by a paralegal or legal assistant but know they can't charge the JAC for that work. So they have an investigator (who's not entirely honest) bill for that extra "work" that he claims he does. Then the JAC cuts a check and $$ changes from a few hands.

Personally, JB doesn't seem above board, and in any way shape or form. So I'm of the opinion that the costs submitted to the JAC are not correct and have been padded in some shape or form. But again, I have no proof of that. Just entirely speculation encouraged by JB's often sneaky ways.

I also think HHJP is well aware that very little work was done prior to ICA being declared indigent. JB had 2 years to do much of what CM is whining about. "We're doing the best we caaaaannnnnn" MY @$$!

 

[LancelotLink]

CM is funny. He knows what OMG is but not LOL.
WTH?

 

[Reagan]

Loving JB's shades!!

BWAHAHA!#@ :floorlaugh:

I'm pretty sure my grandma sports those same glasses when she visits the eye doctor.

I'm gonna have to send baez some blue blockers...oh yea!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Png-PC0ews[/ame]

 

[LancelotLink]

About the Curtis J thing. I know this guy is full of it, but from the perspective of someone watching who had never seen anything about this case, you have a defendant claiming innocence to murdering her child, you have no one else you can point fingers at, though you want to go after TES volunteers, RK, JG, RG, ANYONE save your client, and here lands in your lap an inmate with what would appear to be your reasonable doubt card. What do you do?
If you want people to believe you have no clue who did this horrible act, you don't laugh this CJ off with a royal wave of your hand, announcing he is a liar.
I just found that to be the oddest reaction...

 

[Intermezzo]

About the Curtis J thing. I know this guy is full of it, but from the perspective of someone watching who had never seen anything about this case, you have a defendant claiming innocence to murdering her child, you have no one else you can point fingers at, though you want to go after TES volunteers, RK, JG, RG, ANYONE save your client, and here lands in your lap an inmate with what would appear to be your reasonable doubt card. What do you do?
If you want people to believe you have no clue who did this horrible act, you don't laugh this CJ off with a royal wave of your hand, announcing he is a liar.
I just found that to be the oddest reaction...

I was caught off guard when Judge Perry brought it up to the Defense...or should I say Mr Mason because Baez (I receive many letters from jail inmates) and LDB knew of it..
Was JBP saying it for the record making sure both Defense attorneys knew about this letter so it could not be introduced?
And still WHY?

 

[SunnyinMO]

Y'all have probably covered this already, I just didn't see it. Does anyone know what the exchange with JP and CM was about re when JP said Judge??? left the court room. CM tuned around and looked shocked. And then JP kinda chuckled and asked CK what he did to the judge. Does anyone have any idea what this was about? Also were there any WSers in court yesterday? And lastly.....thanks to everyone here who makes WS far superior to any other forum...:yourock:

 

[JSR]

About the Curtis J thing. I know this guy is full of it, but from the perspective of someone watching who had never seen anything about this case, you have a defendant claiming innocence to murdering her child, you have no one else you can point fingers at, though you want to go after TES volunteers, RK, JG, RG, ANYONE save your client, and here lands in your lap an inmate with what would appear to be your reasonable doubt card. What do you do?
If you want people to believe you have no clue who did this horrible act, you don't laugh this CJ off with a royal wave of your hand, announcing he is a liar.
I just found that to be the oddest reaction...

Well considering there were other jail house informants that provided letters and information from/about Casey and that he was arguing to toss such items out I think he wanted to speak more to those informants. As in all jail house informants can't be trusted and just want to get out of jail for a day. But I think he failed to fully think it through. I think he wanted to get back to what he was spewing about before his Honor interjected that little gem.

 

[JSR]

I was caught off guard when Judge Perry brought it up to the Defense...or should I say Mr Mason because Baez (I receive many letters from jail inmates) and LDB knew of it..
Was JBP saying it for the record making sure both Defense attorneys knew about this letter so it could not be introduced?
And still WHY?

I don't think his Honor wants it as an issue for APPEAL. He's covering the record and making sure it stays squeaky clean.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I am interested in the exchange between CM and JBP when CM stated that he didn't want this case tried twice, and JBP said that he would try it twice if need be, and then went on to tell the defence that there are attorney's now that are looking for cases where they can sue a defence attorney to recover tax payers money for the JAC and the State, so does anyone else think that JBP already knows there has been misappropriation of funds? Or do you think this was his way of warning the defence that they are being watched? I found that exchange very interesting but I am not sure why JBP threw that out there, Any thoughts?

Very interesting exchange! I've watched it several times now and it gets better each time. Man, you could've heard a pin drop in that courtroom, everyone was so quiet after Judge Perry said that. It starts at about 21:00 here in case anyone wants to see it again: http://www.wftv.com/video/26354839/index.html I think it's my favorite part of the hearing.

They are discussing a motion that CM just filed that day which was due Nov. 30th, so over a month late. IMO Judge Perry is telling the defense he'll entertain this motion even though it's extremely late, but he will not do it again. If it causes an appeal and they have to try the case twice, so be it. Perry is done playing.

When he mentions the civil lawyers suing criminal lawyers for wasting taxpayer's money, he's letting the defense know that he knows they are playing a game with these deadlines, motions, expert reports, etc. and it's wasting time and money, and he's not going to put up with it anymore. If they keep it up he will find them in contempt and impose a daily fine.

Shortly after that exchange he called only the defense up to the bench for a private lecture. I'm sure he was much more direct with his warnings then.

JMO!

 

[faefrost]

About the Curtis J thing. I know this guy is full of it, but from the perspective of someone watching who had never seen anything about this case, you have a defendant claiming innocence to murdering her child, you have no one else you can point fingers at, though you want to go after TES volunteers, RK, JG, RG, ANYONE save your client, and here lands in your lap an inmate with what would appear to be your reasonable doubt card. What do you do?
If you want people to believe you have no clue who did this horrible act, you don't laugh this CJ off with a royal wave of your hand, announcing he is a liar.
I just found that to be the oddest reaction...

I rewatched the hearing last night. It was clear there that CM quite obviously knew exactly who Mr. Jackson was and what he was. Apparently he does this sort of thing for a lot of cases in that courthouse and is well known for it. So yes he was a known in joke between HHJP, CM and the SA's. Apparently JB was not as familiar as he seemed confused by the whole thing, and his face fell when CM said that no he did not care what Mr. Jackson had to say.

 

[Leila]

I used to call it "borrowing trouble". When my younger son would tattle something that his brother hadn't done and wasn't going to do anyway I'd tell him to "stop borrowing trouble".
The defense was borrowing trouble with the knife issue, the jib-jab issue, and the telephoto lens issue. The defense tattled that little Tommy or Susie might copy from their paper so the Judge moved the defense desk to where no one can copy their work (who copies a failing student's papers anyway?) and in effect now the teacher can see the defense all the better.
In effect they gave the world a clearer picture of Casey's demeanor and expressions during trial. Seated at the new table her expressions, or lack of, will be clear for all to see.

Interesting perspective. As it is now, the defendant has her back to the gallery, making it easy for her to ignore her mother. But with the defense seated at a table on the side, it will make it more difficult for Casey to avoid seeing her mother.

 

[JSR]

Interesting perspective. As it is now, the defendant has her back to the gallery, making it easy for her to ignore her mother. But with the defense seated at a table on the side, it will make it more difficult for Casey to avoid seeing her mother.

I know. And I can't tell you how much I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! I can't wait for Casey to have to actually LOOK at her mother.

 

[Leila]

I am interested in the exchange between CM and JBP when CM stated that he didn't want this case tried twice, and JBP said that he would try it twice if need be, and then went on to tell the defence that there are attorney's now that are looking for cases where they can sue a defence attorney to recover tax payers money for the JAC and the State, so does anyone else think that JBP already knows there has been misappropriation of funds? Or do you think this was his way of warning the defence that they are being watched? I found that exchange very interesting but I am not sure why JBP threw that out there, Any thoughts?

I noted that as well and took it to mean that JBP was sending a clear message to "watch your step, your expenses will be examined."

 

[logicalgirl]

Y'all have probably covered this already, I just didn't see it. Does anyone know what the exchange with JP and CM was about re when JP said Judge??? left the court room. CM tuned around and looked shocked. And then JP kinda chuckled and asked CK what he did to the judge. Does anyone have any idea what this was about? Also were there any WSers in court yesterday? And lastly.....thanks to everyone here who makes WS far superior to any other forum...:yourock:

I'd like to think HHJEaston was there to watch this crazy hearing, but I suspect he is Mason's golfing partner and was waiting around for Mason to finish and get a game in, or some such thing. Because Mason was obviously shocked Eaton wandered off - Mason said no he can't....we..... and HHJP laughed.

In my world, HHJEaton left in disgust after taking as much of Mason's ramblings as he could stand.