2011.01.24: Hearing Will Address Request For Investigative Hours

[nums24]

Can you recap what was discussed? I saw Mark Eiglarsh (sp?) start to answer a question about where are all the people Casey supposedly was asking in the bars if they'd seen Caylee & that was it. I'd just turned on the TV, heard him say that little bit, and a client called - grrrr. By the time I got off the phone, they were on to the next subject of the night. :banghead: (I wish they'd repeat this hour of programming like they used to, rather than having NG's show on twice per night...)

TIA

Sorry, can't find any video yet, but here's the transcript:

http://www.livedash.com/transcript/prime_news/50/HLN/Monday_January_24_2011/552585/

 

[Melanie]

BBM

IIRC, the Anthonys owe more on their home than they could ever sell it for. Probably the same with their cars. And since KC is an adult, they would never be held liable for her defense, anyway.

However, I completely agree with you that once KC was declared indigent, it just seems right that she should have been turned over to a public defender. I mean, let's be honest about it.... a PD would probably be doing a much better job for her anyway than her current representation.

It will be interesting to see what they do with these 300 hours now..... or since they were already over 106 hours, does that mean they have 194 left to work with?

I agree about the house and cars - probably maxed to the hilt. BUT, the money received from media (blood money as I like to call it) should have gone directly to the defense, and not used for diamond earrings, tatoos, dinners, or a fancy cruise. I want to vomit when I think of the funds they used on behalf of the death of their grandaughter.

So the Anthony's get diamonds, and the Floridians get the bill.

Something is NOT right with that picture

MOO

Mel

 

[krisskross]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Moreover, the background checks (aka trawling for anything that can be re-interpreted as sleaze) are repugnant.

But it's not up to Judge P or State to tell Defense (or clue them in) that investigating media stories on the interwebz is not effective investigation for a murder 1 case. CM and Baez seem convinced otherwise, so I guess they are going to be a bit surprised when trial starts that State's case is not based on WFTV, WESH, etc. :rofl:

The list of the flashdrive contents, State's inventory 1.24.2011:

Consider items 3 and 21. I am sure that Det. Allen, SA Burdick, SA George, and SA Ashton all appreciate the extra pics of themselves at Suburban Drive. lol I suppose Baez's point is that there is no photo of him? lolol :tongue:

A huge waste of time, money, and an empty flashdrive.

But on a more serious note, I agree with what some other posters have said. After this point, Baez is going to have to try a lot harder to come up with a justification for yet more funds. I believe Judge P when he indicates a line is being drawn.

I've always felt Baez has a hankering to go after the Sunshine laws. And I think Mason is totally up for that. In Mason's mind, being instrumental in changing Florida laws would be a more fitting legacy to his career that losing a child murder case. I'm sure there are many more flash drives to come. And thousands of blog comments that will go on the record before this trial begins. MOO

 

[LambChop]

I've always felt Baez has a hankering to go after the Sunshine laws. And I think Mason is totally up for that. In Mason's mind, being instrumental in changing Florida laws would be a more fitting legacy to his career that losing a child murder case. I'm sure there are many more flash drives to come. And thousands of blog comments that will go on the record before this trial begins. MOO

There would be no reason for bloggers to blog if a certain person did not constantly stand before the cameras, go on national tv, and sell the victim's pictures to ABC for an outrageous amount of money. The Sunshine Laws are available for all Florida cases. This one has been brought front and center by her defense team who refused a gag order. CM could argue all he wants but his own comments before he joined the team are out there for the world to see. The argument would fall flat on it's face, I would imagine. Sunshine Laws could have also worked in favor of their client if she were, in fact, innocent. jmo

 

[Macushla]

I think I was upset and disappointed because HHJP gave in to BAEZ. If I had been following a DP case were the defendant was indigent and no one from this defense team was involved, I probably would have nodded my head and said, ok, I guess the defense has to have some money to put on a proper defense of their client. If this 'other' case caught my attention, I might have googled to see how much it usually costs the public defenders office to work a case like this.

I think because we know what nonsense and foolishness the defense has thrown in front of us before, it rubs us the wrong was even more. I KNOW they wasted their time with the TES searchers, and the money could have been better spent. So for me, it was not that HHJP is allowing more hours, it's that he is allowing BAEZ more hours!

 

[Macushla]

A very interesting link:

http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/dp/dp-cost.html

It is talking about Los Angles County, CA but there is a graph showing the cost of a DP case vs. a non DP case. The one figure I find interesting is the one labeled Defense Investigation. It does not say whether the defense is private or public defender, but it makes an interesting read.

The last line of this article says that the average cost of a DP trial in Florida is $3.2 million. Now, this article is anti death penalty so perhaps take it with a grain of salt, but the breakdown of costs is worth reading.

 

[krisskross]

There would be no reason for bloggers to blog if a certain person did not constantly stand before the cameras, go on national tv, and sell the victim's pictures to ABC for an outrageous amount of money. The Sunshine Laws are available for all Florida cases. This one has been brought front and center by her defense team who refused a gag order. CM could argue all he wants but his own comments before he joined the team are out there for the world to see. The argument would fall flat on it's face, I would imagine. Sunshine Laws could have also worked in favor of their client if she were, in fact, innocent. jmo

No argument from me about who turned this into a circus, but that doesn't and won't imo stop Baez and Mason from trying. Barring 50 days out on bond, Casey has been tucked up in jail, she can't therefore be held responsible for what her ambitious lawyer, mother etc did or how the press and viewing public would stay interested.

 

[LambChop]

No argument from me about who turned this into a circus, but that doesn't and won't imo stop Baez and Mason from trying. Barring 50 days out on bond, Casey has been tucked up in jail, she can't therefore be held responsible for what her ambitious lawyer, mother etc did or how the press and viewing public would stay interested.

Ah, but yes she can. She has said as much in her jailhouse letters. How her team is doing such a great job. How she is part of the team and she even instructs them about what they should be doing? Busted. She can't complain because I do believe they have looked under every rock to try and find someone other than our "Muffin" to pin this crime on. It is their job to do so. But if you are the one doing ALL the interviews in front of the press you can't complain after the trial that she did not get a fair trial because of the Sunshine Laws. KC will get a fair trial she just will not see it that way. The average person does not read the material released under the Sunshine Laws and forgets what was in yesterday's news because something that may affect them in a personal way is in today's news. We are just obsessed here and that makes us different because we really care about what happened to this child. jmo

 

[krisskross]

Ah, but yes she can. She has said as much in her jailhouse letters. How her team is doing such a great job. How she is part of the team and she even instructs them about what they should be doing? Busted. She can't complain because I do believe they have looked under every rock to try and find someone other than our "Muffin" to pin this crime on. It is their job to do so. But if you are the one doing ALL the interviews in front of the press you can't complain after the trial that she did not get a fair trial because of the Sunshine Laws. KC will get a fair trial she just will not see it that way. The average person does not read the material released under the Sunshine Laws and forgets what was in yesterday's news because something that may affect them in a personal way is in today's news. We are just obsessed here and that makes us different because we really care about what happened to this child. jmo

Lambchop
I agree with everything you have said above. BUT Casey is free to cite any number of issues for an appeal. Regardless of praising her attorneys today, she is not barred from claiming IAC tomorrow. All Im saying is I think Baez and Mason are purposely stacking up as many deterimental press reports they can to potentially attack the sunshine laws and her fair trial rights. Now whether they stick around and follow through is a whole other question.

And I am in no way saying they would be successful, but seems the way Judge Perry is handling things her appeal issues imho are going to be very very narrow indeed.

 

[LambChop]

Lambchop
I agree with everything you have said above. BUT Casey is free to cite any number of issues for an appeal. Regardless of praising her attorneys today, she is not barred from claiming IAC tomorrow. All Im saying is I think Baez and Mason are purposely stacking up as many deterimental press reports they can to potentially attack the sunshine laws and her fair trial rights. Now whether they stick around and follow through is a whole other question.

And I am in no way saying they would be successful, but seems the way Judge Perry is handling things her appeal issues imho are going to be very very narrow indeed.

While I agree with you a part of me feels it's posturing for a movie deal in the future. lol

 

[ZsaZsa]

In Texas, the nation's busiest death penalty state, the Department of Criminal Justice said Friday it is exploring the use of another anesthetic. The state has four executions scheduled between now and July but has enough sodium thiopental to carry out only two February executions, spokesman Jason Clark said.


Oklahoma has gone a different route, switching to pentobarbital, an anesthetic commonly used to put cats and dogs to sleep. The state has conducted two executions with that drug.

http://www.statesman.com/news/texas...ty-drug-1200270.html?cxtype=rss_ece_frontpage

It is in short supply everywhere. Just as long as they can come up with some in time for ICA.. the Barbiturate, whether it's Sodium Pentothal or Pentobarbital is not what kills- it renders you unconscious, like any anesthetic does; once unconscious they inject the muscle relaxant which then paralyzes the muscles of respiration and death ensues shortly after... a much gentler death than duct tape. It would be just like undergoing any general anesthetic

 

[Psmith]

I've always felt Baez has a hankering to go after the Sunshine laws. And I think Mason is totally up for that. In Mason's mind, being instrumental in changing Florida laws would be a more fitting legacy to his career that losing a child murder case. I'm sure there are many more flash drives to come. And thousands of blog comments that will go on the record before this trial begins. MOO

Good morning, all

That's a really interesting point, krisskross. There have been several occasions when Baez (or whoever was the DP-qualified atty on board) challenged Florida statutes. It often seemed that given time and focused motivation, they would have liked to declare the entire State of Florida to be unconstitutional.

I can see how the Florida Sunshine Law might be a real downer to a Defense team, but there seem to be legal remedies and options.

From what I understand, Defense can choose whether or not to participate in reciprocal discovery for nonexempt items (FRCP 3.220(a)). Not a lawyer, of course, so that's just a lay interpretation.

Second, Defense did not want a gag order set. It seems that any complaints about media coverage (and the blogosphere, which is often "fueled" by media reports/releases) are a bit disingenuous.

Baez has loved the limelight and fighting his heroic battle against the Forces out to get his client. The Forces? These would be the massive, unlimited resources of LE/SAO; "unconstitutional" statutes; established rules of procedure and protocol; and Time itself, especially calendars and clocks, since these things called dates and hours are obviously out to get Baez and his client.

Third (lol!) Baez has decided which laws are fine with him, those he wishes to whinge about, and those he wants to ignore.

That said, I take your point that Baez and Mason would like nothing more than to establish a precedent of some kind in case law and establish a legacy.

Bring on the flashdrives!

 

[Psmith]

There would be no reason for bloggers to blog if a certain person did not constantly stand before the cameras, go on national tv, and sell the victim's pictures to ABC for an outrageous amount of money. The Sunshine Laws are available for all Florida cases. This one has been brought front and center by her defense team who refused a gag order. CM could argue all he wants but his own comments before he joined the team are out there for the world to see. The argument would fall flat on it's face, I would imagine. Sunshine Laws could have also worked in favor of their client if she were, in fact, innocent. jmo

True dat. Maybe there should be a special, quasi-legal-sounding name for it: "reciprocal googling"? Something that would capture the idea that as Defense googles us, so shall we google them. lol

There is a discrepancy between criticising the Sunshine Law and then choosing not to have a gag order set. I wonder if, even today, Baez regrets that decision or if he would choose to do the same again. I'm thinking he would still opt to decline the gag order. jmo

Yes! The Sunshine Law, or anything for that matter, has not barred Defense from presenting exculpatory evidence. jmo

 

[chefmom]

I believe that JB and CM are definately going to make a name for themselves with this case! No doubt about it! And, I also believe they will become names that are used in classrooms and lawbooks after this case is over. I just think the names will be unflattering and the citations in classrooms and lawbooks will be to show what NOT to do in a case. JMO :innocent:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Most states have what the Sunshine Law is only it's under the Freedom of Information Legislature or FOIL..NC has the same, didn't we just see information released in reference to Zahra?

This prisoner isn't special, she has no freedom while incarcerated but it does appear they want to fight this at the Federal level while they fight for ICA's life. Only it appears to me, as it did with the parents, this is outright sabotage, IMO and will get his prisoner a death sentence. I don't care what they feel is wrong for the law/consititution states it's NOT...it appears they're trying for sympathy but I don't feel any sympathy for this prisoner. My sympathies lie with Caylee Marie...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Psmith]

A very interesting link:

http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/dp/dp-cost.html

It is talking about Los Angles County, CA but there is a graph showing the cost of a DP case vs. a non DP case. The one figure I find interesting is the one labeled Defense Investigation. It does not say whether the defense is private or public defender, but it makes an interesting read.

The last line of this article says that the average cost of a DP trial in Florida is $3.2 million. Now, this article is anti death penalty so perhaps take it with a grain of salt, but the breakdown of costs is worth reading.

I think there's no question that DP trials are expensive. What seems to differ is the cost assessment to taxpayers after sentencing (DP vs LWOP). I can't vouch whether the following is pro- or anti-DP, but it offers more information. The report is from 2004 :blush: but it was ready to hand.

Summary of the state [of Tennessee's] Comptroller of the Treasury's report on the cost of death penalty trials

"While it costs more to prosecute capital cases, executions save taxpayers $773,736 in prison housing costs compared to incarcerating inmates sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. Taxpayers save $680,549 for each execution compared to the cost of housing prisoners sentenced to life with the possibility of parole, the report noted."

http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/2009/103009study.pdf

 

[ZsaZsa]

Most states have what the Sunshine Law is only it's under the Freedom of Information Legislature or FOIL..NC has the same, didn't we just see information released in reference to Zahra?

This prisoner isn't special, she has no freedom while incarcerated but it does appear they want to fight this at the Federal level while they fight for ICA's life. Only it appears to me, as it did with the parents, this is outright sabotage, IMO and will get his prisoner a death sentence. I don't care what they feel is wrong for the law/consititution states it's NOT...it appears they're trying for sympathy but I don't feel any sympathy for this prisoner. My sympathies lie with Caylee Marie...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

I can just imagine :innocent: Baez taking a case to the Supreme Court.
Oh, the imagery! He has yet to learn how to write a simple motion..

 

[Psmith]

I can just imagine :innocent: Baez taking a case to the Supreme Court.
Oh, the imagery! He has yet to learn how to write a simple motion..

heh!

Brown v. Board of Education
Roe v. Wade
and...wait for it: Baez v. The Forces

:crazy:

 

[Aedrys]

Most states have what the Sunshine Law is only it's under the Freedom of Information Legislature or FOIL..NC has the same, didn't we just see information released in reference to Zahra?

This prisoner isn't special, she has no freedom while incarcerated but it does appear they want to fight this at the Federal level while they fight for ICA's life. Only it appears to me, as it did with the parents, this is outright sabotage, IMO and will get his prisoner a death sentence. I don't care what they feel is wrong for the law/consititution states it's NOT...it appears they're trying for sympathy but I don't feel any sympathy for this prisoner. My sympathies lie with Caylee Marie...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

ITA and BBM. And now I have the Beastie Boys' Sabotage stuck in my head, lol.

 

[Aedrys]

heh!

Brown v. Board of Education
Roe v. Wade
and...wait for it: Baez v. The Forces

:crazy:

I totally read that last one as Baez vs. The Force, and thought, ewwww, that's not going to be pretty. He's totally toast! LOL.