2011.02.10 Defense Accuses Detectives of Destroying Evidence

[bananarama]

OMG for a GREAT LAugh start this video at 5:30 and Just watch and listen.


I'm blown away that her parents went and are still going to, to lie and cover up for this nasty Awful UNUSUAL PERSON! :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

It does make me want to cry. So very sad!

 

[LinasK]

Resurrecting this gem:

I've got it! The defense's story- those darned squirrels had the pizza party in Casey's trunk, and were so inconsiderate, they left the pizza boxes, then they crawled up into the engine and died! That's the ticket!!!:great::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[strach304]

The thing is, before CA or GA or YM or anyone else ever said anything, ICA herself complained in her texts to Amy that her car smelled of death, of decomposition. She said there was definitely part of a dead animal plastered to her car. That was ICA's own pronouncement on the source of the terrible smell in her car. If it had been caused by a bag of forgotten garbage in the trunk she would have found it during the search that located the phantom squirrel, blamed it on that, and got rid of the bag. Once again the defendant's own words, her busy typing fingers, have nimbly (and callously) pre-empted and rebutted any explanation for the smell that the defence might offer the court.

IIRC that text to Amy was on June 24th. and the bag of garbage had not yet made it's way to the trunk. Right there Casey herself is admitting to the odor (dead animal) before she placed the garbabge in her car. I can see why she would claim dead animal stink. It's the closest description to what she knew was really causing the odor.

 

[Caligram]

Jose....just say "oops, I didn't mean that, my boo-boo, just forget about it". Then hand in the next Motion, the one with the X on it, marked with a Gangrene Green crayon.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

IIRC, the Tennessee Lab also provided testing on dead squirrels and rotting pizza. Didn't they replicate the conditions and do testing on that? I thought I remembered seeing those..

Also, Dr. Lee went to examine the vehicle and said it still stinks and it's definately decomp he was smelling, I believe that was back in November...which is why he probably never went back to finish examining the pontiac...and now he will not be testifying for defense said his report is now MOOT!

I believe this is on the calendar for March 2 & 3, isn't it or am I confusing this with the March 23-25 hearings?

At any rate, it took Baez over 2.5 years to get the the crux of this case since he's wasted so much time trying to implicate the SODDI theory..which had fallen flat...so I suspect this too will fall flat for Little Miss ICA...JMHO

These CSI agents had so much evidence to sift through, trying to get every bone of this child together, if one or two pieces of evidence got destroyed during being processed/tested, it doesn't mean all evidence is tainted, does it? Nice try Baez, but I don't think it will fly....JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[LambChop]

IIRC, the Tennessee Lab also provided testing on dead squirrels and rotting pizza. Didn't they replicate the conditions and do testing on that? I thought I remembered seeing those..

Also, Dr. Lee went to examine the vehicle and said it still stinks and it's definately decomp he was smelling, I believe that was back in November...which is why he probably never went back to finish examining the pontiac...and now he will not be testifying for defense said his report is now MOOT!

I believe this is on the calendar for March 2 & 3, isn't it or am I confusing this with the March 23-25 hearings?

At any rate, it took Baez over 2.5 years to get the the crux of this case since he's wasted so much time trying to implicate the SODDI theory..which had fallen flat...so I suspect this too will fall flat for Little Miss ICA...JMHO

These CSI agents had so much evidence to sift through, trying to get every bone of this child together, if one or two pieces of evidence got destroyed during being processed/tested, it doesn't mean all evidence is tainted, does it? Nice try Baez, but I don't think it will fly....JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Also remember too that Dr. Lee did come back on December 12th after the remains were found but never requested to view the pontiac while he was here at that time. What a perfect opportunity to do so. jmo

 

[strawberry]

From the news thread:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal...rneys-want-alleged-odor-kept-from-jurors.html

Wasn't Lohr one of the first people on a sparse defense witness list? Early on he had a good library of info on the Discover ID site. Then when I saw him on the defense list I was indignant, thinking he had pulled a Dr. Kobi. But now as time as gone on I see that they put all those ex friends on the penalty phase list and I realize they probably put him on there without his cooperation (I hope). I notice he has been on some of the HLN shows.

I'm glad to see an article from him on the case...it's been a while.

 

[strawberry]

I've got it! The defense's story- those darned squirrels had the pizza party in Casey's trunk, and were so inconsiderate, they left the pizza boxes, then they crawled up into the engine and died! That's the ticket!!!:great::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Pizza overdose..that's not a bad way to go!

 

[Gma Kat]

Does anyone else find it ironic that JB is quoting opinions from Dr. Wise of Oak Ridge National Labs (The Body Farm) in this motion to exclude car evidence, yet fighting in other motions to have the Oak Ridge results tossed out?

Great post for "The Irony Is Rich" Thread!!!!

 

[Nore]

IIRC, the Tennessee Lab also provided testing on dead squirrels and rotting pizza. Didn't they replicate the conditions and do testing on that? I thought I remembered seeing those..

Also, Dr. Lee went to examine the vehicle and said it still stinks and it's definately decomp he was smelling, I believe that was back in November...which is why he probably never went back to finish examining the pontiac...and now he will not be testifying for defense said his report is now MOOT!

I believe this is on the calendar for March 2 & 3, isn't it or am I confusing this with the March 23-25 hearings?

At any rate, it took Baez over 2.5 years to get the the crux of this case since he's wasted so much time trying to implicate the SODDI theory..which had fallen flat...so I suspect this too will fall flat for Little Miss ICA...JMHO

These CSI agents had so much evidence to sift through, trying to get every bone of this child together, if one or two pieces of evidence got destroyed during being processed/tested, it doesn't mean all evidence is tainted, does it? Nice try Baez, but I don't think it will fly....JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Hi Live, yes they tested for both pizza and a dead squirrel.There is much mention of it on the Body Farm pages.They used a dead squirrel,Animals dont have the same chemical makeup as people after death.Tharted again.:floorlaugh:

 

[Aedrys]

It's not a lie, it's just spin. LE indeed intentionally failed to put the trash in a sealed metal can to preserve the smell in the same manner that they preserved the smell of the trunk carpet.

Of course, the REASON the two things were treated differently is because, IMO, the fact that trash smells like trash is not evidence, whereas the fact that a car trunk smells like death IS evidence. But JB says that the trash didn't smell like trash; it smelled like death. If true, IMO that was only because there were paper towels in it that had been used to wipe up decomp. So I'm not sure what his point is. :waitasec: But no, I don't think he crossed any ethical line by saying this.

Wait, so the trash smelled like death, but the car didn't, but the car has a bad smell in it like death, but to prove it's not, he would need the garbage bag that smells like death to prove there was no dead body in the back of the car, but something dead in the garbage bag? And it can't be any other garbage bag because only the one LE looked at smelled like death? Which wouldn't matter anyway because okay, Caylee's body was decomposing in a bag in the back of the car...hence the smell...I think Baez has no clue what in the heck he's doing.

Does anyone else feel like they're spinning around in circles on this one? I am getting so dizzy...

 

[IfIMay]

From the news thread:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal...rneys-want-alleged-odor-kept-from-jurors.html

Wasn't Lohr one of the first people on a sparse defense witness list? Early on he had a good library of info on the Discover ID site. Then when I saw him on the defense list I was indignant, thinking he had pulled a Dr. Kobi. But now as time as gone on I see that they put all those ex friends on the penalty phase list and I realize they probably put him on there without his cooperation (I hope). I notice he has been on some of the HLN shows.

I'm glad to see an article from him on the case...it's been a while.

you'd think he'd know that she was indicted before Caylee's body was found.

 

[jennyb]

From the news thread:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal...rneys-want-alleged-odor-kept-from-jurors.html

Wasn't Lohr one of the first people on a sparse defense witness list? Early on he had a good library of info on the Discover ID site. Then when I saw him on the defense list I was indignant, thinking he had pulled a Dr. Kobi. But now as time as gone on I see that they put all those ex friends on the penalty phase list and I realize they probably put him on there without his cooperation (I hope). I notice he has been on some of the HLN shows.

I'm glad to see an article from him on the case...it's been a while.

Thanks for the link Strawberry. D. Lohr did cover the case early on and seemed fairly objective until he met/spoke to Cindy and then he inexplicably became a Cindy sympathizer. He wrote a piece about the "grieving grandma" and "walk a mile in her shoes" type thing and I remember his commenters were pretty outraged. So many outraged comments on that piece! He actually changed the title. So I never read him again because I felt he was a pretty bad journalist to be sucked into Cindy that far that fast.

He recently appeared back on the scene in regards to supposedly being contacted by Nejame about writing a book. It was a "he said/he said" and I believe Nejame was pretty upset.

I wouldn't doubt he's on the defense witness list, although I have no information about that. I really can't help distrusting his reporting or his motives when it comes to this case. Just the way I feel about him.

 

[jennyb]

Oh I remember now. He made news around the time of the Cindy/Baez/Conway episode I think. Right before Conway resigned. Maybe he was mentioned in one of their emails? I can't recall specifically. Anyone else remember???

 

[nums24]

Oh I remember now. He made news around the time of the Cindy/Baez/Conway episode I think. Right before Conway resigned. Maybe he was mentioned in one of their emails? I can't recall specifically. Anyone else remember???

Yes, I do. Starting on page 27 here: http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ication for Subpoena Duces Tecum 8-9-2010.pdf

He also reported alot during the early searches: http://investigation.discovery.com/...sey_anthony_full_coverage/caylee_anthony.html

 

[jennyb]

Thanks nums! Guess we're way into OT territory now but I'm so glad someone else remembers that episode.

 

[OneLostGrl]

BTW, p. 4 of this report refers to the "composite air sampling of the trash bag contents," so I guess what JB means by saying that LE "destroyed" the air in the trash bag is that they "carefully preserved and tested" the air in the trash bag to see what compounds would be found.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:qYZfTPxc7nQJ:blogs.discovery.com/files/caylee_anthony_autopsy02.pdf+forensics+report+trash+bag&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShYiTDVp2_k-h3r_tq6Hbo2__M0s2E8_7hGPg4cfcbU9B2ax4H_l8T-NN8yp4YYEcNJzuZxKThWjNJ2fRII5-xUJ8sS3kUQa8lJSy7y5g8Vx75hBWbPADJxADr58lRxcevG-f8v&sig=AHIEtbRa0RB1ZAzWEwKVINLBHrBoKkzlmw

haha. thanks for this

 

[strawberry]

you'd think he'd know that she was indicted before Caylee's body was found.

You know what, I just sort of skimmed the article being in a hurry.:innocent: But you're right...duh. Maybe he is actually for the defense. :maddening:

 

[mysteriew]

I'll see your maggots and raise you Coffin flies in the trunk.

And I'll trump both of you with a recording of a "decomp expert" (CA) telling 911 the car smelled like a dead body! (Family testimony is easier to understand than expert testimony and scientific tests.)


This is one of those things that JB is trying to get kicked due to a technicality. There is the odor in the car and a bag of "garbage". He isn't saying the smell came from the garbage, only that garbage sometimes smells. And that by letting it dry, the justice system prevented defense from testing it to see if it is the source of the smell. And the defense does have the right to independently have it tested if they think that it might in any way offer a different explanation than the prosecution offered. IOW they are trying to capitalize on their inability to test some evidence that probably wouldn't have helped them anyway.

Will he get it? Who knows. If the motion was filed timely. Depending on the judge's determination. Maybe, maybe not. Will it matter, lol IMO no. There is so much more convincing evidence than the air test.

 

[Just Jayla]

And I'll trump both of you with a recording of a "decomp expert" (CA) telling 911 the car smelled like a dead body! (Family testimony is easier to understand than expert testimony and scientific tests.)


This is one of those things that JB is trying to get kicked due to a technicality. There is the odor in the car and a bag of "garbage". He isn't saying the smell came from the garbage, only that garbage sometimes smells. And that by letting it dry, the justice system prevented defense from testing it to see if it is the source of the smell. And the defense does have the right to independently have it tested if they think that it might in any way offer a different explanation than the prosecution offered. IOW they are trying to capitalize on their inability to test some evidence that probably wouldn't have helped them anyway.

Will he get it? Who knows. If the motion was filed timely. Depending on the judge's determination. Maybe, maybe not. Will it matter, lol IMO no. There is so much more convincing evidence than the air test.

BBM-So it will be fantastic when GA backs CA up with his even more expert-y expertness. While CA will claim she has never smelled decomp from a hot car trunk (thanks for handing her that one, JB, now she'll gnaw on that for a while, like a dog on a bone)...GA cannot claim the same. According to him, he has approached bodies that were in the good ole fashioned state of decomposition-no refrigeration, no preservation.
And he said over, and over and maybe over agin that he knew, KNEW, that was the smell of human decomposition. He got his little nose right up in it. He prattled it off to the detectives and special agents with very little reservation.
...which is why the defense might have to take GA down a few notches in the name of mitigation....