2011.02.19 - Desiree puts on the pressure in Roseburg

[kappy50]

Anyone capable of killing anyone is a danger to the community.:waitasec:

Oh so true, next door neighbor, friend ,RSO, my boss, post man, guy that changed my oil, hey, anyone for sure...anyone capable of killing is a danger to the community... I certainly agree...

 

[Chablis]

"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said.
And you can bet that Desiree is pissed off, because in the context that she said this is because,
Her son will more than likely never have, Halloween candy passed out to him again.
He will more than likely not grow up to be able to go to a bar and party with his friends.
He will more than likely never enjoy another holiday with his family.
The person that is doing these things, is the person, that Desiree so firmly believes, is the cause of her son not being here to ever do these things.

And once again, the COPS are telling Desiree that Terri more than likely did something to Kyron, so is Desiree supposed to not trust the cops and trust the woman who stole her husband while she was PREGNANT?

Unreal!

 

[Aedrys]

Oh my just catching up...Gosh, TH gave out Halloween Candy and went to Bars, and had a wonderful Christmas...My goodness... are their pictures of this...? Or something that substanciates this...I sure hope so....If so, gosh, I am so, pizzed off...if so I am on the barbed wire side of the fence....darn her...

No, but Desiree said that people from Roseburg told her about this on Good Morning America. Why would the people of Roseburg lie to Desiree? No matter Desiree's motivations, I doubt an entire town is conspiring against Terri. I'm going to believe them without pictures as evidence. And why would it be so hard to believe anyway? Nothing is forcing Terri to stay home, and it's been quiet in Roseburg until now. She probably felt okay with going and being social because no one called her out on it until now. She's probably going to stay home now, I bet.

And honestly, she plotted to kill her husband, then killed a defenseless child, so I think anyone she's stronger than, which is like everyone, is in danger from her if they get in her way.

 

[kappy50]

"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said.
And you can bet that Desiree is pissed off, because in the context that she said this is because,
Her son will more than likely never have, Halloween candy passed out to him again.
He will more than likely not grow up to be able to go to a bar and party with his friends.
He will more than likely never enjoy another holiday with his family.
The person that is doing these things, is the person, that Desiree so firmly believes, is the cause of her son not being here to ever do these things.

Jo..please excuse me, I am sorry I upset you, I just never saw confirmation to such. If there is a link to confirmation of such, and you don't mind sharing it, I would appreciate it.

 

[Shadowboy]

In May 1988 during her senior year, she was a contender at the state track championships but, in the end, did not place.

That year Horman met Ecker at a Fred Meyer store in Roseburg where he worked. They dated for a few months but then became friends, with Horman sharing confidences with him.

"I was a good stabilizing force in her life," Ecker said.”

(Whoa. Wait. I just caught this: "I was a good stabilizing force in her life," Ecker said.” Was she, at the time, de-stabilized? This is long before she married him, convinced him to pay for her education and adopt her son; then, legally, held him accountable for child support. Okay, hum. Moving on. Probably covered previously on WS.)

hey Shadowboy: good catch on the 'stabilizing' comment

I can't remember if there ever was an explanation for that ...

yeah, we need the context for sure

Sorry for quoting myself and a response. But ... Anybody in the WS community ... have we discussed why TH would need a "stabilizing force" at age 18-19?

 

[grandmaj]

Jo..please excuse me, I am sorry I upset you, I just never saw confirmation to such. If there is a link to confirmation of such, and you don't mind sharing it, I would appreciate it.

The opening post has the link Kappy.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-hormans-mother-speaks-stepmother/story?id=12959936

This above is the link.

 

[gitana1]

It really just doesn't work that way. You can't multiply weak evidence to get strong evidence. Nothing on the list actually adds up to the kind of circumstantial evidence that works in court when added up. That kind of evidence is: nobody saw her do it, but we saw her running away from the site with bloody clothes. Believe it or not, that is what is meant by circumstantial evidence, not "we don't know if we think her story is plausible enough".

Respectfully snipped by me for space. I'm sorry, but the example of the circumstantial evidence you cited that works in court is actually an example of physical evidence. The blood on the clothes of someone running from a crime scene would be physical evidence, while the person running from the scene would be circumstantial evidence.

I'm sure you are aware of the scott peterson case. There was essentially zero physical evidence that tied him to the murder of his wife and child, except possibly a single hair found on his boat which could easily be explained away by the fact that married couples will likely transfer fibers, skin cells, hairs, saliva, etc., from one to another. That hair was not what convicted scott. No, it was his behavior that did it, according to jurors, much of which is similar to the behavior we see in this case:

He had an explanation for where he was at the time his almost ready to pop wife went missing but it did not make much sense. Who goes fishing out on a bay, without proper bait, on Christmas eve, when their wife is close to her due date? - Likewise in this case, TH just happened to be roaming back country roads for a few hours with a sick baby to "soothe her earache" at the very time her stepson went missing, in a remote area near where her cell phone was reported to be pinging (the same place they have now conducted multiple searches, BTW, which is kind of how we know the unsubstantiated report is likely accurate). To most of us, TH's "alibi" makes little sense.

He was surfing for and engaging in an affair at a time when his beloved, pregnant wife could not be found. - Likewise in this case, TH engaged in explicit sexual behavior with a guy, at a time most people would be filled with fear and anguish, and not in a desperate, turning to another for comfort and security kind of way, but rather, in a lurid "I'm an out of control teenager" kind of way.

There are other similarities I see but it is clear that without the bodies of his wife and child turning up in the very place he said he was when Laci went missing, we might still be waiting for a trial. I think we need the same thing to happen here. Nevertheless, the peterson case was almost 100% circumstantial. Virtually no physical evidence tied him to the murder. Yet there he sits, on death row. And he is far from the only one to be convicted on purely circumstantial grounds - the kind of circumstantial evidence that you do not believe works in court.

 

[Billylee]

"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. [I]We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said. [/I]
And you can bet that Desiree is pissed off, because in the context that she said this is because,
Her son will more than likely never have, Halloween candy passed out to him again.
He will more than likely not grow up to be able to go to a bar and party with his friends.
He will more than likely never enjoy another holiday with his family.
The person that is doing these things, is the person, that Desiree so firmly believes, is the cause of her son not being here to ever do these things.

This is what bothers me, Jo, who the heck is WE? It's not LE obviously, if anything they have taken a step back from the avenue that Desiree and Tony Young seem to be venturing down. Kaine Horman has seemed to also taken a back seat to this "Terri Did It Campaign". So who is WE? Where is the "overwhelming evidence"? I am not saying it's not there, but dang it anyway, I cannot believe something I do not see just because someone says it's there. It further occurs to me that if Kaine was given this same "overwhelming evidence" he'd be right beside Desiree still, encouraging the same public outcry for Terri to "fess-up" that Desiree is, but.......he is not. Something is really, really weird about this whole thing. IDK, but instead of asking "Terri; where is Kyron", I'm still asking "Kyron, where are you?"

 

[Spookytube]

IMOO I believe Kaine has taken a back seat because he is in the midst of a very very complex divorce. I believe Kaine is fighting that battle right now to protect his daughter and DY is fighting the battle for Kyron. If Kaine was doing this, it would be thrown right back in his face in the divorce, DY on the other hand is free to do and say whatever she like. She has no attorneys holding her back. God Bless her strength and courage. I believe she will prevail. DY is getting her power back for sure. I believe if Kaine was not in the middle of the divorce, he would be right with her. All my opinion

 

[Billylee]

Sorry for quoting myself and a response. But ... Anybody in the WS community ... have we discussed why TH would need a "stabilizing force" at age 18-19?

Very good question. It should be pursued for sure.

 

[Spookytube]

TH is the one with the answers. I do no believe the police from all these different agencies have all gotten it wrong. I believe DY is asking the correct person to stand up and tell where Kyron is.

I think when DY says "WE" I think she i talking for herself, Tony and her family, and maybe Kaine. I could be off but I think DY has a very very strong strong support group, and the "WE" is for all of them. Do not know about LE though. IMOO

 

[kappy50]

The opening post has the link Kappy.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-hormans-mother-speaks-stepmother/story?id=12959936

This above is the link.

Thank You grandmaj..I was looking for something more concrete..But I appreciate you providing this link...interesting read for sure...Thank You So Very Much!

 

[ThoughtFox]

Thanks for the news Aedrys. I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm really not that surprised.

My personal opinion:

If an adult woman has hatred towards a small 7-year-old boy and "blames him for everything" bad that is happening in her adult life, that is not normal.

And if that small boy later goes missing while with that person who hates him, that is not normal either.

If that person asks others to help her lie to authorities or get back at her husband and father of that child, that is criminal activity.

And if that person later can't even fight for custody of her daughter, whom she says she loves, because of all the other problems in her life (which she probably blamed on Kyron too), then something is really wrong with her.

So . . . now we know that she isn't sitting a grieving alone, or being a force for justice with her silent protest against "email invasion of privacy," or being coached on how to use the Fifth Amendment by her high-priced attorney. Instead she is getting on with her life, going to bars, getting her mind off her problems again, and handing out Halloween candy.

Handing out Halloween candy is dangerous because anyone who can hurt or be that angry at their own stepchild could project that anger on another child. She shouldn't be mingling with people with children at all, and especially not looking for another husband! Although, knowing human nature, I bet she already has the perfect sad story to tell to make herself look pitiful to some poor man who won't know it's a trap until he gets caught in it.

 

[ThoughtFox]

IMOO I believe Kaine has taken a back seat because he is in the midst of a very very complex divorce. I believe Kaine is fighting that battle right now to protect his daughter and DY is fighting the battle for Kyron. If Kaine was doing this, it would be thrown right back in his face in the divorce, DY on the other hand is free to do and say whatever she like. She has no attorneys holding her back. God Bless her strength and courage. I believe she will prevail. DY is getting her power back for sure. I believe if Kaine was not in the middle of the divorce, he would be right with her. All my opinion

I think Desiree has that righteous "Mama-Anger" going and I'm all for that! I hope she keeps up the pressure! :woohoo:

 

[katydid23]

IMOO I believe Kaine has taken a back seat because he is in the midst of a very very complex divorce. I believe Kaine is fighting that battle right now to protect his daughter and DY is fighting the battle for Kyron. If Kaine was doing this, it would be thrown right back in his face in the divorce, DY on the other hand is free to do and say whatever she like. She has no attorneys holding her back. God Bless her strength and courage. I believe she will prevail. DY is getting her power back for sure. I believe if Kaine was not in the middle of the divorce, he would be right with her. All my opinion

You make a great point. Kaine is in the fight of his life right now over the baby.
How could he possibly imagine giving TH ANY time alone with her now, without clearing up this mystery.
IMO, IF TH is the guilty party, she might very well do away with herself and the baby if she is ever given the chance, and if she thought she was going to be caught.
Desiree is angry, and rightfully so. But Kaine is probably terrified. His nightmare is far from over.

 

[gitana1]

Is your opinon swayed or not by this disturbing news?
As for myself this news did not sway me in the least, I'm so far off that fence, I'm in a hole.

I wish they would just lock her up already. I think shes capable of killing a child, I think shes a danger to society and I cant even believe parents would knowingly take their kids to her house for trick or treating. That is terrifying.

Thanks for the thread Aedrys.

One thing I'm wondering is if TH is really a danger to society/the community, assuming she is guilty. I haven't thought it thru all the way yet. Usually when a murder is thought to be familial, LE doesn't put out a danger alert there is a killer on the loose. In fact in Kyron's case LE put the community at ease almost right away in that respect.

Maybe a familial killer would strike again if she was pushed by circumstances. I don't know.

Then, some profilers like Pat Brown think TH is psychotic. Not all killers are, even if they plan the murder, right?

I hope this isn't OT, and believe me I'm not standing in her corner !!! I think she is on the top of LE's list for initiating Kyron's disappearance. Her demeanor is nauseating, going around as hot as ice is cold like we saw her when she went to court.

Does that mean we should fear for our lives and that of our children? To me that would be a danger to the community, eh?

I don't think she's a danger to kids coming knocking on the door at Halloween or even to random people on the street, but she would be a danger to anyone she is in a relationship with, family members, etc., and their children and that's society.

But I'd never bring my kids to trick or treat at such a person's house regardless, unless I knew them and knew they were innocent. Ya' never know what a person who likely killed a child is capable of.

 

[scandi]

This is what bothers me, Jo, who the heck is WE? It's not LE obviously, if anything they have taken a step back from the avenue that Desiree and Tony Young seem to be venturing down. Kaine Horman has seemed to also taken a back seat to this "Terri Did It Campaign". So who is WE? Where is the "overwhelming evidence"? I am not saying it's not there, but dang it anyway, I cannot believe something I do not see just because someone says it's there. It further occurs to me that if Kaine was given this same "overwhelming evidence" he'd be right beside Desiree still, encouraging the same public outcry for Terri to "fess-up" that Desiree is, but.......he is not. Something is really, really weird about this whole thing. IDK, but instead of asking "Terri; where is Kyron", I'm still asking "Kyron, where are you?"

Hi Billylee, It sounds to me like LE is using D & T to get those responsible for this crime a bit shook up so someone will talk or do somethng foolish - thereby enhancing the investigation. Tony being a cop might lead the general public to think he has very good info thru his ties - more than the average parent of a missing child would have. IMO

I think this is in sync with whatever the FBI profile was. From that they should know how to 'get' to this kind of person who would have taken Kyron.

 

[gwenabob]

Sorry for quoting myself and a response. But ... Anybody in the WS community ... have we discussed why TH would need a "stabilizing force" at age 18-19?

Drugs? Alcohol? Sex addiction? Uncontrolled bi-polar disorder? Just a start.

 

[Spookytube]

Could you imagine how Kaine must be agonizing everyday not just for Kyron but for the thought that TH may actually get to be with the baby?!?!? Good Lord.

 

[nosysw]

I agree with Gitana...everyone has a breaking point. I, personally, don't think we will see a confession, as such, as IMO TH is a hardened sociopath, but perhaps the pressure can cause a break, a slip to someone as Gitana pointed out...I just can't agree that there is no chance the pressure Desiree is putting out there has no chance of helping move this case forward. Tony is LE and if he is supporting this plan, this late in the game, then I think there's a very good chance he may have been involved in devising this tactic. And I don't think he would do that, and risk further trauma to his wife, if he didn't believe there was a chance that it could help bring this case forward.