2011.02.19 - Desiree puts on the pressure in Roseburg

[katydid23]

I am very rarely a fence sitter. I am pretty opinionated and usually have strong gut level reactions. But in this case I am stuck on top of a barbed wire cyclone fence. I think TH is really strangely weird and I can easily see her doing something evil involving Kyron, BUT I still don't get how she did it in this case. [ so far anyway.] I am not convinced yet.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I found that interesting too. Even if you didn't fear for your family's safety, wouldn't you just not want to be anywhere near someone who murdered their stepson? I just don't see the point in going to her house unless you believed she was innocent. However, there could also be curious people who just want to see Terri up close, see her mannerisms, etc and Halloween is the perfect excuse to do that. Or maybe people who know that Terri is in town but don't know the exact house she's living at? Or maybe they just didn't feel like explaining to their children, how they can go to every house on the street except for that one, so they just go to it anyway.

As I recall (with my horrible memory) both of TMH's parents are retired school teachers. There are probably a lot of parents in their area who were their students, who respected them and liked them. And would not want to pointedly slight them because of something they had no control over.

 

[stmarysmead]

Of course people are going to see what they want to see, from day 1 there have been people bashing TH. Those people wont even consider another possibility. They take every little snipppit of information and twist it just enough to fit their thoery and then speak as though it is fact. No use arguing with them, you could have proof someone else took Kyron and they'd still be convinced she was involved. I don't know if she was or not, but I'll see some real evidence before I accuse her.

I'll disagree with there being enough for an arrest. But first let me say I do understand they could arrest her for suspicion, so when I say not enough evidence for an arrest I mean no evidence that will stand up in court. So IMO, they don't have any evidence to prove TH did anything to Kyron. If they did they would arrest her and let that evidence stand up to scrutiny.

I have a business partner. There are times when I feel we are in a position to make a big expenditure and she does not. Since we have always agreed that she makes the "financial" final call (she "does the books"), I accede to her opinion. That DOES NOT mean we have NO money, nothing, ZERO. It does not even mean that we should NOT make that big purchase. It means she made the judgment call, and our arrangement provides for her judgment to make the decision.

In the same way, the District Attorney decides when there is enough to go to trial. He is the one who has to try the case, and bear the burden if there is enough that most people see this woman as a heinous child killer...but a excellent defense lawyer muddles the minds of 12 jurors and gets her off...the OJ Simpson of Oregon. The fact that he wants "more" to go to trial...equates in my mind to the example I gave in my business. There could be PLENTY...but just not enough for him...the guy who holds that responsibility for a conviction in court.

It does not mean..

"they don't have any evidence to prove TH did anything to Kyron. "

That's like saying the fact my business did not AT THIS TIME make that big expenditure...means we have NO MONEY at all.

I keep thinking of that statement about the things that LE wishes they had not seen...things so appalling IMO that veteran LE were disgusted. I keep thinking of emails oozing hate toward a little boy who loved her. What DA wants to step into court with the slightest chance that the public will learn these details and this woman gets off...because, say, there is no body and her Attorney is a legal SuperStar?

I think they want to be sure to NAIL HER. But the decision to be patient...to try to find the body...does NOT mean they only have vague suspicions. They will go up against a powerful Defense atty. The DA who has to actually DO this...wants as much as he can get.

Likewise...Desiree's husband is LE. Certain information has been shared. Desiree is adamant that Terri is the one who has made her child disappear. Kaine believes this too. They believe Terri tried to have Kaine murdered as well. We can all agree THEY know more than we "sleuthers do."

The idea that because WE don't know it...means good evidence does not exist...is presumptuous.

As for the allegation that Desiree is doing all this because she is a "spurned woman"....that asks us to believe that justice for Kyron is secondary to this Mother than nurturing an old grudge. I cannot interpret the raw grief of this Mother that way. IMO her focus has always been on Kyron.This implies that Desiree has decided in her heart that whomever hurt Kyron..or has him...may get away with it. Kyron, if alive, can just suffer. This implies Desiree is only after "Gotcha" time for Terri at the expense of either finding her child or the person who hurt him.

And her new husband is on this mission with her? Really?

To believe that Desiree is so vengeful that she can only focus on Terri...requires us to believe her LE husband is willing, with the information he has...and his experience as LE.. to target the "Innocent" as well.

And it asks us...to think Terri's expensive lawyer feels an innocent woman should give up her toddler child...just for extra insurance when there is only mere suspicion.

I do not believe any of that for a moment.

 

[Chablis]

What is it that the police from all these different agencies have said they have that you think they have right? To my knowledge they have not named a suspect, they haven't arrested anyone. That tells me they have a lot less than people want to believe they have. This case has had so many people make statements as though they are fact when the reality is that its speculation.

I agree with Billylee, DY isn't doing herself any favors right now, and regardless of who may or may not be involved in Kyron's disappearance NOBODY should be asking anyone to target a kid for any reason. I'm really shocked that so many people seem to think thats okay. It isn't.

Yeah, but I am pretty sure a GRAND JURY was meeting about TERRI HORMAN, if that does not qualify one as a suspect, in whatever happened to Kyron, then I don't know what is. As smart as Terri thinks she is, I cant believe she thinks she can say she drove around aimlessly for an hour and a half and she thinks that the cops would just say, well, we just should believe her, we should just ignore her emails where she says she hates Kyron and just give her the benefit of the doubt, thats totally absurd thinking and I am glad the LE have not went down that path.

If there is any "mother" not doing any favors for herself, its Terri, the one who decided to not fight to see her BABY, and the one who sending pictures of her nether regions to another man, that have the potential to be used in a trial to show her state of mind, I mean how embarrassing. If I were Terri I wouldnt have the gall to go anywhere in town after embarrassing her parents and her children, but shes cut in the came CAsey and Scott mold and more than likely has these delusions that what she has done is ok.

 

[mmmagique]

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I have a business partner. There are times when I feel we are in a position to make a big expenditure and she does not. Since we have always agreed that she makes the "financial" final call (she "does the books"), I accede to her opinion. That DOES NOT mean we have NO money, nothing, ZERO. It does not even mean that we should NOT make that big purchase. It means she made the judgment call, and our arrangement provides for her judgment to make the decision.

In the same way, the District Attorney decides when there is enough to go to trial. He is the one who has to try the case, and bear the burden if there is enough that most people see this woman as a heinous child killer...but a excellent defense lawyer muddles the minds of 12 jurors and gets her off...the OJ Simpson of Oregon. The fact that he wants "more" to go to trial...equates in my mind to the example I gave in my business. There could be PLENTY...but just not enough for him...the guy who holds that responsibility for a conviction in court.

It does not mean..

"they don't have any evidence to prove TH did anything to Kyron. "

That's like saying the fact my business did not AT THIS TIME make that big expenditure...means we have NO MONEY at all.

I keep thinking of that statement about the things that LE wishes they had not seen...things so appalling IMO that veteran LE were disgusted. I keep thinking of emails oozing hate toward a little boy who loved her. What DA wants to step into court with the slightest chance that the public will learn these details and this woman gets off...because, say, there is no body and her Attorney is a legal SuperStar?

I think they want to be sure to NAIL HER. But the decision to be patient...to try to find the body...does NOT mean they only have vague suspicions. They will go up against a powerful Defense atty. The DA who has to actually DO this...wants as much as he can get.

Likewise...Desiree's husband is LE. Certain information has been shared. Desiree is adamant that Terri is the one who has made her child disappear. Kaine believes this too. They believe Terri tried to have Kaine murdered as well. We can all agree THEY know more than we "sleuthers do."

The idea that because WE don't know it...means good evidence does not exist...is presumptuous.

As for the allegation that Desiree is doing all this because she is a "spurned woman"....that asks us to believe that justice for Kyron is secondary to this Mother than nurturing an old grudge. I cannot interpret the raw grief of this Mother that way. IMO her focus has always been on Kyron.This implies that Desiree has decided in her heart that whomever hurt Kyron..or has him...may get away with it. Kyron, if alive, can just suffer. This implies Desiree is only after "Gotcha" time for Terri at the expense of either finding her child or the person who hurt him.

And her new husband is on this mission with her? Really?

To believe that Desiree is so vengeful that she can only focus on Terri...requires us to believe her LE husband is willing, with the information he has...and his experience as LE.. to target the "Innocent" as well.

And it asks us...to think Terri's expensive lawyer feels an innocent woman should give up her toddler child...just for extra insurance when there is only mere suspicion.

I do not believe any of that for a moment.

Unbelievably EXCELLENT post. Thank you for that.

 

[pinktoes]

Does anyone know how we could keep up with those daily visits to Roseburg that Desiree promised? I'm having no luck finding a media source. I'd just like a daily "she's there today" or "she's not".

Logistically, if she was serious about it, would she make the drive after work? Or has she taken a leave of absence till Ky is found and/or Terri talks or whatever time...?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I don't mind Desiree doing whatever she needs to do. I just don't think it will help to:
a: find Kyron
b: make Terri speak
c: push LE to make an arrest sooner than they are ready.

But maybe it makes her feel better, that's Ok with me.

Respectfully, I disagree with the statement that is bolded by me.

I have so much admiration for Desiree Young, and I feel she is doing "WHATEVER IT TAKES" takes to bring her son home.

I am on the side of "OPTIMISM" here ...

Hopefully, what Desiree is doing WILL "Bring Kyron Home" ... and put some pressure on Terrie to speak (which is doubtful) but hopefully a "slip of the tongue" by Terrie would be good ...

Maybe someone in that community may know something or may have heard something, and maybe in the end it will result in bringing Kyron home.

While some may disagree with the tactic that was used by Desiree this past weekend, I say "Keep on Going, Desiree, and Don't Give Up!"

Prayers for Kyron, Desiree, Tony, Kaine, Family and Friends ... and may Kryon come home soon !

Hope

 

[ladonna]

Does anyone know how we could keep up with those daily visits to Roseburg that Desiree promised? I'm having no luck finding a media source. I'd just like a daily "she's there today" or "she's not".

Logistically, if she was serious about it, would she make the drive after work? Or has she taken a leave of absence till Ky is found and/or Terri talks or whatever time...?

I'd love to know the answer as well. I can't find the link where Desiree stated this. Do you happen to know which source had it.

 

[pinktoes]

I'd love to know the answer as well. I can't find the link where Desiree stated this. Do you happen to know which source had it.

Here you go:
"I will be here each and everyday to remind you what you've done, remind you of Kyron and make sure that you are brought to justice."

http://northwestportland.katu.com/n...-goes-national-tv-message-terri-horman/438616

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I just emailed the Public Info Office at MCSO asking them to clarify who Desiree was referring to when she said "we" etc. Asking for MCSO to clarify if all "we" know, that DY referred to, was backed by their office or not. (I know it's a futile effort, but I had to try.)

 

[scandi]

Here you go:
"I will be here each and everyday to remind you what you've done, remind you of Kyron and make sure that you are brought to justice."

http://northwestportland.katu.com/n...-goes-national-tv-message-terri-horman/438616

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I just emailed the Public Info Office at MCSO asking them to clarify who Desiree was referring to when she said "we" etc. Asking for MCSO to clarify if all "we" know, that DY referred to, was backed by their office or not. (I know it's a futile effort, but I had to try.)

WOW, What a powerful statement !

 

[anyc]

And once again, the COPS are telling Desiree that Terri more than likely did something to Kyron, so is Desiree supposed to not trust the cops and trust the woman who stole her husband while she was PREGNANT?

Unreal!

If we're going to hold people accountable for their actions, let's not forget that a man who leaves his partner for another person is doing just that, they aren't *stolen* - don't just blame "the other woman" - he LEFT his wife when she was pregnant!

 

[gwenabob]

If we're going to hold people accountable for their actions, let's not forget that a man who leaves his partner for another person is doing just that, they aren't *stolen* - don't just blame "the other woman" - he LEFT his wife when she was pregnant!

Speaking in strictly general terms, men don't usually leave a ready sex partner unless they have another willing sex partner waiting in the wings.

 

[pinktoes]

Speaking in strictly general terms, men don't usually leave a ready sex partner unless they have another willing sex partner waiting in the wings.

Laughing till I burst!!! I have known that kept a number of spares on hand at all times, just in case one threw them out unexpectedly, too.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think Desiree meant she would be in Roseburg every day...but that her posters and fliers would be and hopefully, people asking TH the question about Kyron.

 

[pinktoes]

Can't find a reporter who's twittering about Desiree in Roseburg. Not their job to do it, but I think if she got just a daily tweet "she's here again" it would support her effort. (Whether or not you think it's futile. Just to support her.) Anybody else find anything?

BTW, I just checked at MCSO's Breaking News webpage. The last entry there starts,

"Kyron Horman Case Update

Posted: September 8th, 2010 6:06 PM

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office search for Kyron enters the 14th week...."

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

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UPDATE: I apologize. I read a little of MCSO's Flash Alerts. They have apparently done their updating there (such as it is). They posted there after the Jan 30 search at the latest site. There may be more to read there

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That's the last update? Granted, I didn't read their very inactive Flash Alerts, or even less active Twitter. Has MCSO decided to let Desiree do all their public info releases subsequent to Sept 8??

 

[pinktoes]

I don't think Desiree meant she would be in Roseburg every day...but that her posters and fliers would be and hopefully, people asking TH the question about Kyron.

Oh, jeez. I'm so literal. I hoped she'd meant it. With people who're trying to evade authority (rebellious kids, criminals, etc) I've always been rigid about consistency. If she didn't mean it, it comes across more as a publicity event, and maybe not just to me. I want her to mean it!!!

I'll calm down now

 

[Counting on Justice]

I found a video of the entire press conference that Desiree held 2/20/11. It took me a while to find, so I thought that I would share. I was going to put on another thread, but that thread has already been closed.

http://www.kpic.com/news/local/116678914.html?video=pop&t=a

 

[purple turtle]

If they know all this about Terri, which must cover a period of about two months, then someone must be watching her regularly. (snip by mod) How could anyone hand out Halloween to a bunch of kids when a little one she partially raised is missing. How could that family even celebrate holidays this year at all....They all knew Kyron his whole life and he must have felt like one of their own.

my hometown, also in Oregon, is just a wee bit smaller than Roseburg. If someone like TH was in residence EVERYONE would know what she was up to. If she went out in the front yard to get the mail everyone would talk. And if she were doing the same things I would inform Kyron's family personally.

 

[stmarysmead]

I found a video of the entire press conference that Desiree held 2/20/11. It took me a while to find, so I thought that I would share. I was going to put on another thread, but that thread has already been closed.

http://www.kpic.com/news/local/116678914.html?video=pop&t=a

Thank you so much! This was quite illuminating. Definitely more there in totality than reading snippets IMO.

So they are searching 11 acres east of the school and have evidence Terri was there. Is this a reference to Sauvie Island..or another locale?

The parents were fully briefed on the evidence before Christmas and Desiree reveals there is a strategy linked to the fact they will be facing Houze. And she is quite firm in her position that Terri put all her hatred for Kyron in writing. There is no confusion here or irrational behavior. She could be the CEO of a major firm giving a detailed briefing.

Desiree is composed, articulate, and determined. She is focused on one ting: her child.

What an amazing woman! She has my utmost admiration.

 

[cluciano63]

It only matters where Terri was on June 4th if Kyron can be found in one of the locations. Knowing where she was from her pings, for example, really means nothing unless he is found. It might mean she is a liar, I guess.