2011.02.21: Hailey's Angel's Quit Searching(decision reversed 2011.2.22)

[Melanie]

I've a feeling that a member or members of the Hailey's Angels may be watching BD and know that BD is still seeing SA and some other things that she does. I don't think BD likes being watched. She may also be reading it on the FB pages. IMO

I'm feeling a little uneasy about that. While I'm really curious about the going-on's between, BD and SA, the searchers should focus on Hailey if that's their mission - kwim. Leave the rest up to LE.

MOO

Mel

 

[Oriah]

That post was from our very lovely Ginger Snap. She often posts on her phone, and said she doesn't see so well. I can read enough through the lines to hear what she's getting at

Hugs,

Mel

I see. I was truly confused by the Carson City! Perhaps it's a smartphone that 'corrects' your 'typos' for you. Mine do that, and I hate it.

 

[Oriah]

She sited her source at the top for "the dozens", the rest was common knowledge about the case and her opinion. So I'm confused about you being confused, :waitasec: :floorlaugh: Anyway............GLAD YOU ARE OK!!!!!!!


And if you are talking about the "death" of one of the searchers, that was back a few weeks ago. A lady that had been searching daily with H's Angels had a heart attack at home and died. It was on the original HD fb page.

Ah. I did not know that, and am sorry to hear.

 

[pms]

If my memory is correct didn't BD thanked the Mark Klass and other national searchers for searching the "dirty Places"? Stating that is something she couldn't do herself. So why hasn't she thank the locals in the past 8 weeks for doing that? Not having seen the video myself I can't really say if it was in poor taste or not, with that said I find it strange that she is the only one of the family saying anything about it. I would love to hear what CD has to say about it.
Hailey's Angels are a local group that know the area well. I'm sure they have looked in places the outside groups may not of heard of. Was one of these places on the video and it was to close for comfort? To close to Hailey? Was Shawn mentioned on the video? I can understand if he was, at this point he is the only named suspect. BD if that is a problem for you you need to direct your opinions on that towards LE, not the good people trying to find "YOUR DAUGHTER". I would think you would be grateful to have these wonderful people searching for Hailey, I believe if it was me maybe I wouldn't be able to search either, but I would be there at their meeting place in the morning. Thanking them and maybe supplying them with some hot coffee or hot coco something anything to show them how much I appreciate them. I would be in constant contact with them, asking questions , suggesting places to search. When I was young me and my friends had a place not many people knew of. We went there almost daily. Did Hailey have a place like that? If so have you told anyone about it? Have you looked yourself anywhere that you personally know of YOUR DAUGHTER going?
In a wonderful loving peaceful world if a child went missing maybe we would search shopping malls, skating rinks, playgrounds, amusement parks and arcades. We don't live in that perfect world so you really should take off your rose colored glasses and accept the fact that Hailey may not be with us anymore, a fact that IMO you already know.
It disgust me every time you open your mouth to defend Shawn. Where is your proof that he had nothing to do with this? Where is your loyalty to Hailey? This may be terrible to say but i have never heard love in your voice when you speak of Hailey. Yet your voice and body language sparkle when you speak of Shawn.
I know innocent until proven guilty , So I ask again where is your proof he is innocent?
Let us see it so if LE and everyone who agrees he is guilty are wrong they can look for other POI.
Until than I ask BD where is HAILEY? ........JMHO :banghead:

 

[fhc]

Carrie McGonigle's boyfriend didn't lawyer up within days, did he? Also, i don't remember her defending him and making his innocence her focus/priority. jmo

 

[Amster]

The local searchers maintain a memorial bridge for Haleigh. It's close to SA's family property. He has to see it when he leaves that property. That's how I've heard it described. That makes Billie Jean uneasy....and, I expect, furious!

 

[LisaB]

Why then was it called an appreciation dinner, if not to thank and appreciate those who have been searching for Hailey? I wouldn't expect anything either, but had I been invited to the appreciation dinner, I wouldn't expect this kind of response from the mother of a missing child.

Still don't get why she said "they think SA did something horrible to SA" -- where the heck did she get that from....at an appreciation dinner?

MOO

Mel

I may be way out of line... but if there was an appreciation dinner for local firefighters, held by their community, would it be appropriate to show footage of people's homes burning who might be in attendance at the event, or would that be insensitive? Would you show gory car wrecks at an EMT appreciation dinner? I think that, to Billie, this was similar.

I have been trying to keep this next bit to myself, as I am sure most everyone is sick of my long posts about my own experiences, and how I feel they relate to the subject at hand. But it really DOES seem relevant to me...

A while ago (more than a dozen years) I was the organizer of a local chapter of a national charity called Project Linus. The purpose of the group was to provide child-size handmade blankets to children experiencing trauma.

I made a lot of quilts myself, especially in the beginning. I did all the publicity, recruited volunteers and solicited donations of fabric for quilting and yarn for knitting and crocheting, to be provided to those who volunteered to produce the blankets when it got to the point that I could no longer provide the materials myself. More often than not, despite my specifications that only certain types of fabric were useful, and clarifying this by phone, I'd drive miles to pick up donated fabric only to find that someone was basically cleaning out their closets and expected me to haul away and pick through boxes or bags of completely inappropriate items to find one or two use, then had to find another charity that could use what we could not. Regardless of my disappointment when I collected donations like that, I always expressed my gratitude and never told them that what they were giving was "worthless" to me.

I arranged quilting parties at my church, where we set up stations to cut fabric, sew, and finish quilts in an "assembly line" fashion. We cut fabric for "kits" to provide to volunteers to take home, and taught a troop of scouts to make a quilt and to crochet. To be honest, some of the quilts made by a senior center were made with such large stitches that they were falling apart when I picked them up, yet I always "oohed and aahed" no matter how humble the effort.

In the course of two years, we averaged one blanket per day processed through the system. A number of crocheted blankets were provided to a neonatal AIDS program, a few quilts went to the local fire company to be distributed as they saw fit. We got the occasional request for a single blanket for a pediatric cancer patient or something, but ultimately I connected with a local hospital that does a particular limb-lengthening procedure on children. It is not a one-time procedure, and many of the kids had to travel from around the world several times, sometimes without parents to a place they could not even speak the language for a prolonged and painful procedure. They had a steady need for blankets, and the kids getting them seemed unbelievably happy to get them. For many it meant they could now go to the activity room in a wheelchair with the blanket over their laps, as they often could not put pants on while the halo appliance was on their leg. They were always given a choice of several so they felt they'd been able to choose their own.

I was fortunate to be contacted by a local quilting group at about the same time I began taking quilts to this hospital. Quilts were preferable to "yarn" blankets for these patients, as they did not catch on the pins that secured the device to the child's bone, and these ladies seemed willing and able to produce quilts in huge quantities, as long as the supplies were provided. I went to the group's monthly meeting, encouraged them, admired their efforts, delivered materials, and picked up finished quilts. It was working really well until the president of that group demanded accountability for every quilt they made. Since I was delivering them to my liaison at the hospital at the rate of about 50 every 6 weeks, I was distributing only a few myself on the drop off day, and she handled the rest of the patients. I had no doubt they were being given to the kids, as I often met kids on a visit who had received their blanket prior to my arrival, and some of them brought them back with them for subsequent surgeries.

In short, providing information about the chain of custody of each blanket, at the rate we were going, was all but impossible. I did the only thing I could think of. I took a photo of each quilt on my clothesline and had two copies printed. One I put in an album, the other I turned into a postcard with a fill-in-the-blank format saying "My name is _____ and I am __ years old. I received the blanket depicted on this postcard from Project Linus and wanted to thank you for making it."

I paid for all this out of pocket, and provided a stamp for each one myself. With each delivery, I stacked the blankets neatly in the back of my station wagon and took photos of them. I photographed them again in the red wagon we used to transport them from the car to the ward, and of the liaison in her scrubs accepting them, but never photographed the pediatric patients actually getting them. I safety pinned the postcards to the corresponding quilts and my liaison made every effort to get the parents to take a minute to fill it out, but they had way bigger worries, with their child in the hospital, missing time from work, and possibly not even fluent in English, so I got back only about 95% of the postcards (I made these cards only for this group, as nobody else required it), which I placed behind the first photo in the album. Flipping through the books, my quilters could see who had picked which blanket, and feel their effort was appreciated.

After a year of a fairly good relationship with them, their president became preoccupied with the 5% of quilts they were NOT getting postcards back for. I had no control over the parents filling out the cards, and could only ask that they do so. I thought 95% was pretty good, and would never have been achieved if I had not done so much of the work for them that they literally only had to write "Brianna" and "6" on the card and hand it to a nurse to mail. I explained that I was doing my best, but it came down to her accusing me of misappropriating their blankets to some other purpose.

If I had had ANY desire to steal donated quilts, there were other donors who would never have been the wiser. There was no logic behind her accusations, and certainly no truth. I'd been busting my butt to get the pictures taken and developed, converted into postcards, attached to the blankets and delivered with postage affixed so that they would feel "appreciated" for what I'd thought they were doing voluntarily because it made them feel good to do so. That's why I was doing it, why I continued to dig deep into my own pockets to keep the project afloat, and why I took the "abuse" of people foisting off their junk on me and pretending they did not know better, and why I spent much of my time at a sewing machine, or speaking to groups.

I didn't put postcards on the quilts I made, or those by any of the other dozen or so regular donors. And, as I said, nobody else expected a "thank you" from the child receiving the quilt/blanket they made, including the Girl Scouts, so I have to believe they were being unreasonable to expect it, but they ultimately withdrew their support, on the presumption that I had somehow "conned" them.

I never expected any pats on the back. I deflected any praise, as much of the work was being done by others, and I could not take credit for it. But these ladies, many of whom I realize may not have felt as adamantly about this as their president, were so high-maintenance, and their demand for appropriate recognition so unrelenting that I eventually stopped my work for Project Linus altogether because I was offended by constantly being treated like a thief by this one person.

That's my $0.02 on volunteers and appreciation. I definitely appreciated every stitch on every quilt made by every volunteer as it helped me ease a difficult time for children in a time of need, and always made that abundantly clear to everyone I dealt with, but it just wasn't enough. I still feel conflicted about whether they had any right to expect individual recognition for each of the 200+ quilts they made over the year we worked together. When I make a donation, I make it to a group I TRUST to use it appropriately, and don't require specific accountability for its ultimate use.

This is kind of off topic, isn't it?

 

[TexasTNT]

I've thought for the last 4 weeks the searches should concentrate around Moss Creek (or Moss Lake as some people call it) near Big Spring. JMO!

As for BD..............She knows more and the more she opens her mouth the more revealing and transparent she becomes. Tell the truth BD! It's just your daughter after all. Hailey deserves your very best!

 

[katydid23]

I don't get it. I didn't notice anything in the article that even implied it. Did they show SA in his masks with butcher knives - I doubt it. How does she go from search photos, to the group thinking SA did something horrible to Hailey? Unless there was a big ol photo with a title saying SA did it - how did she come to this conclusion.

I haven't seen the video, so I'm merely speculating. What on earth caused her to make that statement?

MOO

Mel

It wasn't the video that made her think that. Apparently it is local women who are part of Hailey's Angels that have been discussing Shawn and billoie's secret meetings. That makes Billie very angry.

And Haileys Angels made Haileys Memorial bridge close to Shawns area just so he would have to see it and they have been searching nearby where he sits on his porch, and they all glare at each other. They are a thorn in Billie's side imo.

 

[Quiche]

It wasn't the video that made her think that. Apparently it is local women who are part of Hailey's Angels that have been discussing Shawn and billoie's secret meetings. That makes Billie very angry.

And Haileys Angels made Haileys Memorial bridge close to Shawns area just so he would have to see it and they have been searching nearby where he sits on his porch, and they all glare at each other. They are a thorn in Billie's side imo.

I'm beginning to wonder if there is some bad blood between BD and the searchers-- it is a small town, after all... they may have gone to school together. But, don't get me wrong--I don't discount BD's glaring mo in chasing them off.

Gah! I just find her to be soooo rude! :furious:

 

[Melanie]

It wasn't the video that made her think that. Apparently it is local women who are part of Hailey's Angels that have been discussing Shawn and billoie's secret meetings. That makes Billie very angry.

And Haileys Angels made Haileys Memorial bridge close to Shawns area just so he would have to see it and they have been searching nearby where he sits on his porch, and they all glare at each other. They are a thorn in Billie's side imo.

IMHO BJD needs to get over it. Maybe she's going through the stages of grief, and has hit the angry stage. Any one of us (and I feel confident in saying this) wouldn't give a bloody hoot what people were saying. If it meant finding my child, alive or dead, I would tuck it in my pocket and keep my mouth shut.

I'm sorry if I sound off the rails, it's out of frustration. This case is going the way of Caylee Anthony (IMHO).

I'm going to go sit in the corner now for a self-imposed TO!

Hugs,

Mel

 

[dsntslp]

Wondering if I can change my nic to "Sits on her hands", ugh.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

"They showed me, Clint, our family, little kids who were there, video of where they go to search in these ugly fields and these ugly creeks for our baby," said Billie Dunn, Hailey's mother.

Hailey's mother says for her, the hour-long video tribute stirred some negative emotions. She did not like how her daughter's story was presented.
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Volunteers say a search crew member trained by one national agency asked "Hailey's Angels" to turn off the video halfway through

snipped from:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=344756

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So Billie had some "negative emotions" watching this video ... and the video was turned off "halfway through".

:waitasec:

So Billie,

Could you DEFINE these "negative emotions" ?

And, were the searchers getting too close to where Hailey may be ?

I think this video should be turned over to LE - like the Tx Rangers or FBI where they have the capabilities of "zooming in" ...

There obviously is "something" on that video that made Billie squirm ...

 

[TexasGiGi]

Even if the Billie was upset about the video, it was completely outrageous that she would publicly accuse these women of HOPING that Shawn had harmed Hailey and implying that they were out to prove it to her. Nothing she could say would make me believe that they were out there searching all day every day for 8 weeks to prove that to her or so that they could pat themselves on the back.

I believe that the woman who spoke about not searching anymore was just hurt and angry and that they will resume searching. At least I really hope they will, for Hailey's sake.

 

[lynnb]

http://www.ktxs.com/big_country_news/26952272/detail.html
Hailey's Angels Quit Search For Hailey Dunn
KTXS News is trying to obtain a copy of the video that played.

 

[cluciano63]

Some of the searchers are saying they've never had any contact with LE about where to search and others say they do get ideas/instructions from LE. Wonder why something as simple and important as this can't have a simple answer.

 

[crimejunkie]

What is the difference to Billie Dunn between Klasskids searching the woods, creeks, etc... and Hailey's Angels searching these same places? Klasskids was said to have brought ATV's and horses in order to cover more "ground." This suggests that they were not searching people's homes, cars, hotel rooms, semi-trucks, etc...for a "live" Hailey.

I think Billie got exactly what she wanted by "ending" the Hailey's Angels search. Though Klasskids may have more people, more equipment and are professionally trained, they don't search that often.

Billie stated that she wants people to search for a "live" Hailey (only). This work for her (imo), because either she knows that no one will find a "live" Hailey or she is worried that if a deceased Hailey is found, SA will be arrested. IF they were to find Hailey deceased, her body may tell a story that BD and/or SA does not want reveled. If I had a missing child, I would want my child home, alive, but if they were deceased, I'd still want them home. I would not want their body out in the woods, alone.

Cindy Anthony didn't want anyone search for Caylee in the woods and/or deceased. Why? Again, I believe it's because she felt that Casey would then be arrested. It's the "no body, no crime" theory. Though, we know from other cases that they can convict a person based on circumstantial evidence and no body, even if it takes a lot longer to get to that point, it does happen.

jmo

ETA: I really want to see that video!!! I hope the searchers change their mind and don't give into what Billie wants.

 

[salvarenga]

Might I add that from what I have gathered from reading the various sites......the dinner was also organized by the volunteers from Hailey's Angels.....so yeah, I can understand why they are highly upset right now.

These men and women gave up eight weeks of their lives and for what....a virtual slap in the face from BD. IMO, they have every right to be hurt and angry.

 

[passionflower]

BD and SA WON.........they want everyone to go away.
If I was a Haileys Angel member I would still say I was searching.
I would NEVER let THEM win......

 

[KALI]

Don't forget about the Anthonys!

Well that just speaks volumes right there. They need to keep searching and find Hailey. She must be terrified they will find her and she will lose Shawn.
Truthfully, this is the first mother Ive ever seen throw a hissy fit when people were out looking for her missing child. It just blows my mind.