2011.03.02 - 03 - George Anthony's testimony Part II

[jennyb]

Much like the misguided assumption that drinking a diet soda will cancel out the calories consumed in your Krispy Kreme doughnut.........purporting that you are dedicated to "helping find missing children" does not cancel out your prior actions....or in actions in the case of your missing grandchild.

HA HA! Great analogy. :floorlaugh:

 

[jennyb]

Bingo! :great:

He worked very hard with KidFinders, who had never found a child, drove his huge billboard over to River's house to get money to go out and buy himself a beer, he televises his "essay" about how awful it is to live under a microscope, he plays the bully with a couple of guys and their umbrella who aren't on "his" property, he drives Cindy to J Blanchard Park so she can go after Padilla and Murt.

Whew! I'm out of breath just thinking of a few more things he didn't do to bring Caylee home.

This is the man who wanted to give advice to other families whose children go missing?

Yeah really. Who wants to spend time with a Zelda Fitzgerald Maturity Award winning drama queen when YOUR CHILD is missing?

If their ridiculous phony foundation ever had a chance (which it didn't) it's blown now. To bits.

 

[jennyb]

Thank you! :great:

That particular smiley cracks me up.

 

[jennyb]

I would have thought that until I watched him at the hearing. But to me - it's so all about George he hates anyone who dares to disagree with him about anything.

He knows LDB is going to disagree with what he says and he is angry at her before she even opens her mouth. Then it just goes downhill.

He gives me the impression that he believes LDB does not appreciate "HIS LOSS" or "HIS GRIEF" and she should be grateful he is even brave enough to be there at all - she should be quiet and listen to him and believe him and thank him with tears in her eyes for making the ultimate sacrifice and appearing before them.

Didn't he mumble something under his breath to the JUDGE as well? Something like "no you don't understand" when the judge expressed a bit of concern.

The nerve of him! No one on the planet ever suffered like the Anthonys, right? No one overcame adversity. The ultimate victims, THE ANTHONYS. Put 'em in the Guiness World Book of Records and close the category already. Sheesh. If they could only care about anyone but themselves it would be a really good start to becoming decent human beings.

 

[mobius99]

I disagree with Jeff Ashton being the one to question the Anthony's at trial. I love Jeff Ashton, but I still think that LDB is better prepared to question them. Her organizational skills are impecible and the way she speaks is just so solid. Again, I love Jeff Ashton, but he does fumble with his words a lot and if we all know the Anthony's, they will call JA out on this at trial. You have to be really direct with this family and I think that LDD has perfected this and she knows exactly how to deal with them on the stand... as evidence from the hearings last week and the week before.

I think that LDB is going to be the one to question all of Casey's friends and family. Anyone who is part of the timeline from June 2008-now. Dominic Casey will also be LDB's witness.

JA, I believe should deal with the forensics. He just has a way with words that draws you in. I believe he will be excellent at getting his expert witnesses (and even the defenses expert witnesses) to paint a very vivid picture of Caylee being silenced by the duct tape, being placed into the trunk for 2.6 days, being thrown out into those woods like trash, Natures tampering with Caylee's remains... just anything that has to do with CAYLEE herself... what she went through. This will be where JA shines, imo.

moo

I totally agree! I believe that LDB will be one to handle the A's come trial time. She just is not easily baited, never thrown off her game. She has the keen ability to be direct without appearing confrontational. That is her gift.

OTH, JA can be baited. Much easier to get a rise out of him.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17688773/index.html
@2:00 minute mark
Oldie but goodie

OT
Just re-watched some of the videos on 10/10/08, motions hearing. Always fun to go back to the beginning and see what JB was trying to pull. Nuttins' changed!

 

[strach304]

Can I weigh in on the compassion/passion debate?

I'd say they're equally focused on the fight for justice for the victim, CAYLEE.

JA seems to be more "emotional" in his expression.

And LDB is perhaps more "determined" in her expression.

Just a stylistic/personality difference.

The goal is clear. And both are extremely strong advocates. We couldn't hope for better.

Do either of them (or SHOULD either of them) waste a moment's energy on some show of "compassion" for the greedy, lying, obstructing, selfish grandparents of the victim?

No.

However, both prosecutors are polite when they pose their questions. It's not personal... just the facts.

btw, I'd love to know more about the behind the scenes action in the SA office. Have LDB and JA ever teamed up on a case before? Do they have a drink at the neighborhood watering hole after the end of a grueling day? Are they like the duo on Law & Order Criminal Intent or Special Victims unit? Do they know each other's families?

And what's their interaction with Lawson Lamar? Is he in their office going over the case? Etc.

Know what I mean? I think the inside (human interest) story would be SOOOO interesting.

They are both very good at what they do. I don't have a preference for who questions the A's. I think the subject came up because of GA and CA being questioned by LDB at the hearing and their lousy attitudes and lies. We know JA did the depo on George with similar results. The whole passion/compassion discussion has been swinging back and forth on this thread meaning different things to different people. I certainly don't feel like the SA's need to show the A's any more compassion than any other witness. The bulk of this mess they have brought on themselves and imo a jury will have a hard time sympathizing with them the more they learn about the many shenanigans they have pulled. It might start out that way just like it did with us early on in this case. My hope for passion from the prosecution simply centers around them bringing attention to justice for Caylee and not the injustice, it's all about me Casey. We need them to be the voice of the victim and for the public that wants justice for this child. We need them to evoke very strong emotions from the jurors is what it comes down to for me. All imo.

ETA: Anybody know what Frank George's specialty is? I know he's been at some depos but he's always a behind the scenes kinda guy. He take care of research or case law?

 

[sleutherontheside]

After listening again to GA complaining about Amber Alerts......I think I have determined his intent....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179203,00.html

Justice Department Launches New Child Abduction Plan
Monday, December 19, 2005

The girl was able to identify the suspect at the police station, and in June, MacKinder was sentenced to serve three consecutive life sentences on charges of kidnapping, two counts of sexual battery and attempted murder.

Linda Drane Burdick, the lawyer who prosecuted the case, said many factors led to a successful prosecution, some of which cannot be attributed to the CART: the bicyclists who found the girl, the girl's DNA found on MacKinder's clothing.

But Burdick credited the CART with putting a large police presence in the area, which probably alerted the bicyclists and sped along the investigation.

"Moving quickly, getting [MacKinder] into the police station was fortuitous," Burdick said. MacKinder had agreed to go for the follow-up interview. "I’d say, yeah, it allowed things to progress much more quickly than ordinarily they would."

Not every aspect of CART is perfect, Burdick said. For one, the response teams add a layer of bureaucracy. "It kind of creates a paperwork nightmare" due to the number of agencies involved, and certain problems arise "when you have too many people stirring the pot," she said, acknowledging that those problems might have been ironed out by now since that case was the first time the CART had been used.


IMO....it would seem that given LDB's previous statements regarding response time for an "abducted child" case.....and the A family's continuous diatribe regarding the "Amber Alerts".....that the A family is attempting to put "on the record" the difference in the Brucia case and the Caylee case.

Looking back at the recent hearings....it makes the reference to the Brucia case all the more telling.

 

[sleutherontheside]

They are both very good at what they do. I don't have a preference for who questions the A's. I think the subject came up because of GA and CA being questioned by LDB at the hearing and their lousy attitudes and lies. We know JA did the depo on George with similar results. The whole passion/compassion discussion has been swinging back and forth on this thread meaning different things to different people. I certainly don't feel like the SA's need to show the A's any more compassion than any other witness. The bulk of this mess they have brought on themselves and imo a jury will have a hard time sympathizing with them the more they learn about the many shenanigans they have pulled. It might start out that way just like it did with us early on in this case. My hope for passion from the prosecution simply centers around them bringing attention to justice for Caylee and not the injustice, it's all about me Casey. We need them to be the voice of the victim and for the public that wants justice for this child. We need them to evoke very strong emotions from the jurors is what it comes down to for me. All imo.

ETA: Anybody know what Frank George's specialty is? I know he's been at some depos but he's always a behind the scenes kinda guy. He take care of research or case law?

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I have been in Public Service upon entering the bar in 1991. I began my career with the Public Defender's Office in 1991 and served for five years before switching to prosecution in 1996, when I joined the State Attorney's Office in Orlando. My most satisfying assignment was in the Sex Crimes/ Child ABuse Unit, where I prosecuted well over 60 cases. In 2002-2003, I joined DCF as a Senior Attorney, representing the State in Dependency actions and Termination of Parental Rights actions. I returned to the State Attorney's Office in 2003. Currently, I am a Career Criminal Lead Attorney, and supervise the attorneys in my division.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I totally agree! I believe that LDB will be one to handle the A's come trial time. She just is not easily baited, never thrown off her game. She has the keen ability to be direct without appearing confrontational. That is her gift.

OTH, JA can be baited. Much easier to get a rise out of him.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17688773/index.html
@2:00 minute mark
Oldie but goodie

OT
Just re-watched some of the videos on 10/10/08, motions hearing. Always fun to go back to the beginning and see what JB was trying to pull. Nuttins' changed!

You're not kidding that this is O-L-D!! I don't even remember seeing this hearing... heck, I don't even remember that defense attorney who is talking at the podium. L.O.V.E. the slip of tongue when Jeff Ashton said that they weren't there for a murder case and the defense attorney says "Sure we are" and Jeff Ashton "We are??" :floorlaugh: What happened to this defense attorney... he knew this was a murder case before murder charges were filed and said it in open court. :floorlaugh: I shouldn't be laughing, but wow... just WOW!!

 

[Turnadot]

I know LDB deals with people like the Anthony's as a matter of course, but I was stunned when GA told her, 'I wish we could trade places.' or something like that. I couldn't believe it. I've never, ever heard someone who has suffered the loss of a child actually wish that pain on someone else, even someone they hated.

Also the part where LDB asks him who he was an agent for and he says something like, 'Apparently the FBI and the police department.' LDB asks something else and he said, basically, 'I didn't think it then but I sure think it now. I was actually an agent for them.' He says it incredulously, as though helping LE find his grandbaby was immoral.

Nothing this family does should shock me anymore, but then it does.

The trial is going emotionally zap me.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

You're not kidding that this is O-L-D!! I don't even remember seeing this hearing... heck, I don't even remember that defense attorney who is talking at the podium. L.O.V.E. the slip of tongue when Jeff Ashton said that they weren't there for a murder case and the defense attorney says "Sure we are" and Jeff Ashton "We are??" :floorlaugh: What happened to this defense attorney... he knew this was a murder case before murder charges were filed and said it in open court. :floorlaugh: I shouldn't be laughing, but wow... just WOW!!

That was Jonathan Kasen, who later was relegated to the civil case. He's been gone from that case for quite a while.

 

[krisskross]

He goes on to accuse JA of trying to trick him. IIRC that was about him cutting the grass and he can't keep his story straight. I wouldn't talk to a prosecutor the way he did. He repeatedly went off on tangents imo that were unprovoked.

So JA tried to trick him, LDB didn't put out an Amber alert :waitasec: and IIRC Mr Mitnik was giving him the bird. :hen:

George Anthony is a very [unusual ex cop] :loser:

 

[jumpinjack]

The bulk of this mess they have brought on themselves and imo a jury will have a hard time sympathizing with them the more they learn about the many shenanigans they have pulled.

The only jury George has ever been interested in catering to is Cindy, Casey and John Q. Public's sympathy.

 

[Aedrys]

I know LDB deals with people like the Anthony's as a matter of course, but I was stunned when GA told her, 'I wish we could trade places.' or something like that. I couldn't believe it. I've never, ever heard someone who has suffered the loss of a child actually wish that pain on someone else, even someone they hated.

Also the part where LDB asks him who he was an agent for and he says something like, 'Apparently the FBI and the police department.' LDB asks something else and he said, basically, 'I didn't think it then but I sure think it now. I was actually an agent for them.' He says it incredulously, as though helping LE find his grandbaby was immoral.

Nothing this family does should shock me anymore, but then it does.

The trial is going emotionally zap me.

No kidding. That drove me absolutely crazy. So are you just everyone's tool, George, or are you mad that ultimately you aren't in charge and can't control this case to your satisfaction? It's like if he can't be one, then he has to be the other. If he's not in charge and things aren't going his way, then he must be somebody's tool. I swear, this man is the definition of hasty generalization. You've never been in charge, and this will never be your way, but that doesn't mean that you were used or can't control your own destiny. If you're a tool, you're allowing yourself to be so, George. That is your choice. You are where you are because of you and no one else no matter how much you want to blame everyone else for where you are.

He really reminds me of when I was younger, and I used to think in such extremes all of the time. Yet he is what, in his fifties? How does he live this way? I know long ago I lost the energy to think in such extremes anymore. If he keeps this up, he is surely not going to last the whole trial, maybe not even half of it.

 

[LambChop]

GA is saying to LE what he would really like to be telling CA but he can't.

 

[Turnadot]

I would have thought that until I watched him at the hearing. But to me - it's so all about George he hates anyone who dares to disagree with him about anything.

He knows LDB is going to disagree with what he says and he is angry at her before she even opens her mouth. Then it just goes downhill.

He gives me the impression that he believes LDB does not appreciate "HIS LOSS" or "HIS GRIEF" and she should be grateful he is even brave enough to be there at all - she should be quiet and listen to him and believe him and thank him with tears in her eyes for making the ultimate sacrifice and appearing before them.

OMG, YES!

I must be a cold woman, because every time GA would do his pitiful me narrative after ever. single. question, then top it off with a full body nod, I'd laugh a little.

 

[logicalgirl]

No kidding. That drove me absolutely crazy. So are you just everyone's tool, George, or are you mad that ultimately you aren't in charge and can't control this case to your satisfaction? It's like if he can't be one, then he has to be the other. If he's not in charge and things aren't going his way, then he must be somebody's tool. I swear, this man is the definition of hasty generalization. You've never been in charge, and this will never be your way, but that doesn't mean that you were used or can't control your own destiny. If you're a tool, you're allowing yourself to be so, George. That is your choice. You are where you are because of you and no one else no matter how much you want to blame everyone else for where you are.

He really reminds me of when I was younger, and I used to think in such extremes all of the time. Yet he is what, in his fifties? How does he live this way? I know long ago I lost the energy to think in such extremes anymore. If he keeps this up, he is surely not going to last the whole trial, maybe not even half of it.

Aedyrs! Love the way you've drawn this out! :goodpost:

 

[doogiesgirl]

Just watching(actually listening) the 3/2/11 hearing while I do my chores and this may be nothing but it is under my skin.

When GA is on the stand, JB says, "I assume July 15th, 2008 was one of the most traumatic events of your life?"-- "Is it fair to say that?" (clearly looking for a simple yes answer) GA, instead of the old tried and true Anthony favorite of "absolutely"....GA beats around the bush with an "It's the most traumatic thing that could happen to a family" -then adds the "yes" on the end of that. Hmmmm.....weird way of answering what would seem to me to be a certain "YES!" KWIM??? Could GA be thinking back to some other incident BEFORE that day that sticks in his memory as being the most traumatic thing that has happened to him?? Like maybe the day he found out that his daughter had done something awful to his grandbaby?? but let her continue on her way anyway? Makes me wonder.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2C6dVc20pI[/ame]
At the 7:28 mark.
Dang it...someone posted how to add on the min. & sec. mark so that your link would start right where you mark it to, but now I can't find that post and can't recall exactly the instructions. It was something like add on t=#?min??sec on the end of your link. Anyone remember exactly coz I'll use that. I'll also write it down next time!


:cow:

 

[MaryAnn]

You can tell by ICA's facial expressions that she hasn't changed a bit. You would think she would be humbled just a tiny bit. You can see her hatred for her Father through her eyes. I think ICA is a cold blooded killer and if let go could kill again.

 

[Anais]

Gosh these people infuriate me to no end! George doesn't recall at all CA wanting ICA arrested initially for the thefts of money/car etc. Truly this family is totally incapable of truth and honesty. Disgusting. Poor Caylee Baby...breaks my heart each and every day that I see more of these truly demented people that she relied on for her life.

Selective memories these people have. BS