2011.03.11 Dr. Spitz Report Due Today

[Gma Kat]

What's wrong with the old one? Can't get the crayon marks off???:giggle:

Oh you made me laugh so hard! I once worked for an attorney who wrote his briefs in crayon while he was getting his 6-yr old ready for school.....single dad's so cute....

 

[Gma Kat]

This was the report by Defense Expert Dr. Huntingon. It is in the documents released Friday.

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161900/detail.html

I think it is a very good report and one of the few things the defense did right.

It is a good report, but it doesn't actually rule-out anything the prior SA reports have said, just said he doesn't agree with some conclusions, but the report does not go so far as to say that the other expert's opinion is not possible. Also, this report talks about how there should have been an abundance of the little fly critter parts and larvae IF a body had decomposed in the trunk.....HE DOES NOT say that would be the case if a vehicle had been literally DETAILED by a family quite experienced in getting things clean..........

So it doesn't hurt the defense, but it doesn't hold anything to save ICA.....IMO,

P.S. - good find....I had missed the report.

 

[logicalgirl]

Cherishtoo has just posted this release in the Todays News - No Discussion thread. Thank you cherishoo!

Defense expert Werner Spitz challenges autopsy findings

Quote:
He challenges the findings of Orange-Osceola Chief Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia. He particularly takes issue with Garavaglia's saying, "Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair. This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place."

 

[Aedrys]

Well here is Dr. Spitz's report. Or more accurately, a news report about him challenging findings, which I assume is based on his report. Talk about anger inducing!

Defense expert Werner Spitz challenges autopsy findings
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-spitz-autopsy-20110314,0,1029163.story

One part in particular made me LIVID:

However, she concluded that the child's death was a homicide, while Spitz said, "The manner of death is also undetermined because there is no scientific information available that the death was at the hands of another."

Is he REALLY going to say in court that Caylee put the duct tape on herself? Or it floated downstream? What. The. HELL! Caylee was not even three years old! There is no WAY this death WASN'T at the hands of another!!!!! UGH!

ETA whoops, Logicalgirl and I posted at the same time! I owe you a coke! lol

 

[pip]

Well he wrote the defense report he was payed to write. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing worthy..IMO.

 

[logicalgirl]

Well here is Dr. Spitz's report. Or more accurately, a news report about him challenging findings, which I assume is based on his report. Talk about anger inducing!



One part in particular made me LIVID:



Is he REALLY going to say in court that Caylee put the duct tape on herself? Or it floated downstream? What. The. HELL! Caylee was not even three years old! There is no WAY this death WASN'T at the hands of another!!!!! UGH!

ETA whoops, Logicalgirl and I posted at the same time! I owe you a coke! lol

Yes, you did and thanks but you have to admit you did a much better job of your posting and I think that cancels out the coke!:great:

To Dr. Spitz: I say - Paatooooiiiie!

Not going to fly!

 

[LambChop]

The poor man has lost his mind. Says duct tape should have had tissue on it and there should have been DNA. The DNA I would imagine was on the glue which pretty much desolved under the conditions. Also, he states no proof that the duct tape obstucted airways. What possible reason would there have been for duct tape from the A's home to be on the victim's face in the first place. No proof that the child died from homocide.

What is important is what he may not have said and that is that a child this age should not be dead, or found with duct tape attached to her skull, or placed in plastic bags and carried to the site in a laundry bag. What he did say is scientific facts which prove nothing other than a child is dead and not how she died.

Hope they did not pay alot for his report. jmo

 

[Intermezzo]

Cherishtoo has just posted this release in the Todays News - No Discussion thread. Thank you cherishoo!

Defense expert Werner Spitz challenges autopsy findings

Quote:
He challenges the findings of Orange-Osceola Chief Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia. He particularly takes issue with Garavaglia's saying, "Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair. This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place."

Tuba' post in the Forensic Astrology Forum from March 12, 2011
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6213439#post6213439"]Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #14 - Page 26 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] 03-12-2011, 02:21 PM

Judge Perry did tell the courtroom that he was required to take a trip north in quest of funding and that he would be leaving for a week. Meanwhile The Team derives satisfaction from the required expert report of Dr. Werner Spitz.

 

[Intermezzo]

Well he wrote the defense report he was payed to write. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing worthy..IMO.

I wonder if he was under the influence of pain medication at the time he wrote this report...JUST Kidding...
:waitasec: may be not...

 

[Intermezzo]

The poor man has lost his mind. Says duct tape should have had tissue on it and there should have been DNA. The DNA I would imagine was on the glue which pretty much desolved under the conditions. Also, he states no proof that the duct tape obstucted airways. What possible reason would there have been for duct tape from the A's home to be on the victim's face in the first place. No proof that the child died from homocide.

What is important is what he may not have said and that is that a child this age should not be dead, or found with duct tape attached to her skull, or placed in plastic bags and carried to the site in a laundry bag. What he did say is scientific facts which prove nothing other than a child is dead and not how she died.

Hope they did not pay alot for his report. jmo

bbm
What happened? did Baez FORGET to give him ALL the information?

 

[Solace]

The poor man has lost his mind. Says duct tape should have had tissue on it and there should have been DNA. The DNA I would imagine was on the glue which pretty much desolved under the conditions. Also, he states no proof that the duct tape obstucted airways. What possible reason would there have been for duct tape from the A's home to be on the victim's face in the first place. No proof that the child died from homocide.

What is important is what he may not have said and that is that a child this age should not be dead, or found with duct tape attached to her skull, or placed in plastic bags and carried to the site in a laundry bag. What he did say is scientific facts which prove nothing other than a child is dead and not how she died.

Hope they did not pay alot for his report. jmo

Exactly. They can raise Clarence Darrow from the dead, and KC is still going to be convicted. There is a 31 day wait, a 911 call where her mother is distraught and tells her to speak to the operator and KC replies I have nothing to talk to them about; and last but not least THERE IS THE BLOCKBUSTER PICTURE THe EVENING OF June 15th and they will prove that the child died on the 15th because the body purged in the car (the beginnings of proved by the type of fly they found) and they have the infamous June 20th dancin photo.

 

[Aedrys]

bbm
What happened? did Baez FORGET to give him ALL the information?

No kidding. There was only a freaking HURRICANE that came through the area. Did that just slip Baez's mind? Spitz is going to look like a dang FOOL on the stand.

 

[USARDOG]

It would seem to me that Dr Spitz's report contradicts the suspects statements to police. ICA clearly states that Caylee was taken from her by her long time nanny. Now here comes Dr Spitz saying there is no evidence that Caylee died at the hands of another... Well, it would seem if the child was kidnapped, and turned up deceased, the kidnappers would also likely be the perpetrators, yet Dr. Spitz seems to point in another direction. Does this indicate the defense will back away from the nanny story? Or are they just going to tell a bunch of different stories and hope some juror believes one of them? "Oh what tangled web we weave..."

 

[sleutherontheside]

The perforated bowel condition can be quite serious. If he had bowel removed and needed IV nutrition,called TPN,the central IV line can colonize bacteria causing sepsis ,more than once.Leaky gut,necrosis of the affected bowel......the list for complications goes on,and Dr. Spitz is not young!

Surely he has some "notes" a colleague can put together as a report :waitasec:

As to the medical condition....I had a baby born 2 months prematurely. She suffered from bowel issues, subsisted on TPN for almost 6 months and nearly died from sepsis. She spent 6 months in the hospital and still lost 8 inches of bowel which in a newborn is quite a lot.

So I can confirm from experience, the severity of a condition like this.


That said...perhaps this report was cobbled together in an effort to get JB to just leave him the he77 alone. Minimal effort to offer some shred of doubt...yet doubt is unreasonable.

 

[logicalgirl]

I wonder if he was under the influence of pain medication at the time he wrote this report...JUST Kidding...
:waitasec: may be not...

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

He better have been! :maddening:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Well there's no proof Caylee didn't take the duct tape, trash bags and laundry bags and go out to the woods, duct tape herself and die - but I doubt anyone will believe that's the most likely explanation for what happened.

Having said that - this is the most disgusting, blatant example of hiring a witness to give a favorable opinion so far imo. In a perfect world, this man would be shunned by his professional community and lose his credentials. Absolutely appalling example of everything wrong with the legal system today. Dunno how these people sleep.

 

[strach304]

It is a good report, but it doesn't actually rule-out anything the prior SA reports have said, just said he doesn't agree with some conclusions, but the report does not go so far as to say that the other expert's opinion is not possible. Also, this report talks about how there should have been an abundance of the little fly critter parts and larvae IF a body had decomposed in the trunk.....HE DOES NOT say that would be the case if a vehicle had been literally DETAILED by a family quite experienced in getting things clean..........

So it doesn't hurt the defense, but it doesn't hold anything to save ICA.....IMO,

P.S. - good find....I had missed the report.

I was wondering why he didn't take that into account. It was never asked or mentioned even though they said cleaning products could have caused the chloroform. In doing his own experiments he can only speak to the manifestation of insects but doesn't take any other factors into consideration like extensive cleaning.

 

[strach304]

The poor man has lost his mind. Says duct tape should have had tissue on it and there should have been DNA. The DNA I would imagine was on the glue which pretty much desolved under the conditions. Also, he states no proof that the duct tape obstucted airways. What possible reason would there have been for duct tape from the A's home to be on the victim's face in the first place. No proof that the child died from homocide.

What is important is what he may not have said and that is that a child this age should not be dead, or found with duct tape attached to her skull, or placed in plastic bags and carried to the site in a laundry bag. What he did say is scientific facts which prove nothing other than a child is dead and not how she died.

Hope they did not pay alot for his report. jmo

I got the impression that he's indicating the tape got stuck to the hair from that site. He claims the skull was on the left side and movement caused it to be upright so he could be thinking that the heavy rains moved the skull and that is how the duct tape became stuck in Caylee's hair. I'm wondering about RK saying he lifted it with a stick but not very much. This would be a good question for Kronk. The skull may have been laying on the left side when he found it. He said he didn't move it much just enough to see what it was but it may have been just enough to go from the left to being upright. I don't think he would have given it a thought that it could make a difference.

 

[nums24]

Here is Dr. Spitz's report: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27194148/detail.html

 

[Spangle]

Hmmm... Not sure it will float with the jury.