2011.05.13 - Jury Selection DAY FIVE Afternoon Session

[realcurious]

Mason: We will work till 9 or 10 PM at night. That is overly burden[some.]

There goes Happy Hour at the hotel.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Do it Patty quickly.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I am sorry to disagree about the court's "bias". What happened was perfectly correct. And had nothing to do, in my opinion, with the judge favoring any lawyer, side or race. It was a legal challenge made by the DT (CM) asking JA to justify that his striking of this potential juror was not based on her race. JA, IMO, had not asked enough questions to come up with a reason that would have passed muster with an appellate court. So the judge did what was correct and disallowed the strike of this juror by the state. It had nothing to do with bias. even by the state. There were great reasons why the state didn't want her, none of which were her race. But because, as the court put on the record, she was in a protected class (AA), you have to do a little more to completely avoid the appearance that her race was the issue. Same thing if someone strikes a woman because they want an all male jury for a particular case. You have to be able to show that you had another reason to strike her, not her gender.

This judge was correct. my opinion only.

I don't know if you listened to her, but we all thought, without any awareness that she was AA, that she should not be chosen, for several reasons-apart from her difficulty comprehending questions JA had heard her say several times she could NOT judge someone else. I think it was the combination of those factors that decided him. As he was explaining why he wanted her off HHJP cut him off and said "That's my ruling and I'm not arguing about it"...
Other PJ's have said the same thing and been dismissed, but this reason in this particular person was apparently not enough?
I understood that Justice is supposed to be blind...

 

[Patty G]

Here is the evening thread link.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136066"]2011.05.13 - Jury Selection DAY FIVE Evening Session - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

OK all of the 445 total viewers line up in a single row and head on over please.

 

[lowens1975]

ICA must have a bladder the size of a washing machine. I'd be trying to go at every opportunity.

 

[JSR]

After they choose 20, aren't 8 of them drawn at random for alternates? Lawyer, anyone? That is what I believe to be true.

Correct and the jurors will not be allowed to know which are which.

 

[Patty G]

Countdown .....

5

 

[21merc7]

This to me sounds like BC has let some cats out of the bag. Maybe the Anthonys have known all along the bus was coming.

I would think their attorney has known for a long time, and more recently filled them in. I would hope so.

 

[GetSmart]

Makes me not want to utter any more comments if they are using our post and making suggestions to correct ICA ... JMO

 

[amyg_momtothree]

Why would age be a mitigating factor in this case???? FGS ICA was 22, not 8...

This! I don't understand this, if someone could explain. If a person is tried as an adult, does it matter if they are 19 or 78? Either you are tried as an adult or as a minor... ????? I would have the same answer as this last PJ. If the court has decided to try you as an adult then why is age a mitigating factor?

 

[Hisimage]

Me TOO! Im glad it wasn't just me!!

Yes, I thought I saw it too.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

To the Judge: No, i cannot consider how old the defendant was at the time of the crime.

Ohhh, I missed that when I was interrupted. Thanks.

 

[logicalgirl]

I listened to her carefully. She seems a bit dotty to me. Sweet but lacking in intelligence and possibly some life experience. her interests are limited to westerns and computer games. No friends. But most important, she was unable to understand some basic questions. My problem with this is that when people cannot understand something, they will discard it altogether and go off instinct.: "Well, i saw the pictures of this young lady holding her baby. They looked so sweet together! Oh, she couldn't have killed her on purpose! I saw her smile at me in the courtroom and she looks so nice. Also, I really liked CM, he was so nice to me! And that young JB was too!"

She will likely respond to the smarminess of JB and the folksiness of CM better than to the professionalism of the state. JB already had her eating out of his hand. Nice old ladies who are not bright or quick tend to respond to sweetness, not facts. I think of even my mom, who is ridiculously smart, but who had agreed to some major purchases based on what she feels about the salesman. I then come in and can see he is schmoozing her. She then gets mad when I try to stop it because she doesn't like her instinct challenged. And my mom is whip smart! So what happens with a lady like this who is not?

Just remember all the people on websleuths who had a hard time believing a nice looking young mom could have hurt her baby. They were steadfast for a long time and had their own innocence thread. Many people now still are convinced it was only an accident and these are smart people who have seen all the evidence.

We have pondered this case for almost three years. This lady will have to rush through in two months and I don't think she will comprehend a fifth of it. Very worried where I was supremely confident before.

Okay gitana1 - I have always highly valued your comments in the past and you have won me over on this one.
Just draw that line in the sand and I'll head over there to stand beside you.
:tyou:

 

[Whome?]

Anyone else think that CM is needing to handle a pressing matter cough cough Rosalie???

:floorlaugh:

 

[drip~drop]

O/T but Sarah Townsend's body has been found. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/13/report-police-body-believed-missing-teen-sarah-townsend/

Not Bobos?

 

[Patty G]

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[Patty G]

3 ....

 

[drip~drop]

How come Mason thought tomorrow was a 1/2 day?

Maybe these folks should bring a change of clothes with them from now on.
Jammies.
imo

 

[logicalgirl]

Okay if RB and ICA are reading us on their computer at court - here goes!

:seeya: you all - how do you like us so far??? :floorlaugh:

 

[Patty G]

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