2011.05.18 Sidebar Thread (Jury Selection DAY NINE)

[Drama Queen]

Talking about all this Southern food, made me think about how much I miss fried-green tomatoes.

I LOVE fried green tomatoes! They are absolutely yummy. Thanks for bringing this to my mind.

 

[ThinkTank]

I believe there will be a prompt new objection/motion from the defense, after they question the remaining 15 potential jurors .... and the defense will say they were forced to use their other 9 peremptory challenges BEFORE the Judge reversed himself and let them question the remaining 15, and they would have used those 9 strikes differently.

And then that would open the door for the State to also argue that they would have used their strikes differently .....

The Defense is not going to be satisfied to use only one more strike after questioning the remaining 15 .... IMO

The Judge changed the rules and now the defense does not have to use their peremptory challenge until after all 15 remaining jurors are questioned ....

 

[MelissaLee]

OK, so far this morning we have seen one potential wit questioned at length. He very much polarized the board in terms of everyone's impressions of him. When voir dire was over and he was sent out of the room, CJBP gave a loooooong speech about the process, how long it was taking, whether they would be finished in time, they are paying for hotel rooms in Orlando since Tuesday... JB said in open court that when the jury was picked it would be "time to get to work" (but we all know he doesn't want jury selection to ever ever end).

Then they took a 30-minute "5 minute break." Then they came back and went into sidebar immediately. Then they went back into open court and the SA used a peremptory to remove the PJ from the morning. CJBP pulled strings and got the courtroom in Pinellas through Saturday. He said we WILL start on Monday in Orlando, IF we have a jury.

And WSers worldwide screamed aloud in despair.

That's about it, I think.

bbm

Indeed! My tummy still hasn't quite recovered from the "IF".

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

I am still confused about all these strikes. Last night on JVM, this was discussed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a separate set of strikes for the alternates?

CASAREZ: Yes. They are getting additional strikes for the alternate; one strike for each alternate.

Snipped from Azlawyer post # 233 Legal thread

RULE 3.350. PEREMPTORY CHALLENGES
...

(d)" Alternate Jurors. If 1 or 2 alternate jurors are called, each party is entitled to 1 peremptory challenge, in addition to those otherwise allowed by law, for each alternate juror so called. The additional peremptory challenge may be used only against the alternate juror and the other peremptory challenges allowed by law shall not be used against the alternate juror".

So I guess if we are looking for 5 alternates that means 10 more strikes. Do we only have 15 PJ's left? If so, this is not looking too good. JMO

...my understanding is that each side gets ONE strike for the alternates - as it stands PROS has 3 left for main jury; DEF has 1

 

[Novice Seeker]

That's about it. That's why we are talking grits here on this thread! Seriously, there was a motion by JB (argued by Ms. Frye) about delaying the trial. Something to do with they didn't like how the jury was being picked and strikes having to be used. Somebody will have to fill in on that because I MISSED THE WHOLE THING....:banghead:

Ms. Frye's motion was an implied threat directed at HH and how he is seating the jury which Frye claims is uncontitutional. When HH asked Baez about this motion Baez informed HH that he swore to ICA from day 1 that he would do everything he could to defend her.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I am wondering if this scenario could happen. At some point today or tomorrow, we get 12 people sworn as jurors. Then at some point between now and Saturday, we get as many alternates as possible. Then those are sworn.

Does HHJP have any way, option or authority to toss them all together and make a juror salad, then randomly select who can be a main juror, and who can be an alternate? This would satisfy the defense's 'concern', and would also mean another chance for the worrisome juror to be an alternate.

Wouldn't that be lovely?

This next potential juror up immediately following this lunch break may turn out to be the most important of the day!

The defense has ONE strike left.

The prosecution has FOUR left.

There are currently 11 jurors with ONE spot to fill.

Pay particular attention to this NEXT juror because he/she may determine whether we seat a jury today!

THe prosecution has plenty of "playing room" in determining whether a juror would be pro prosecution (with 4 strikes available)..

BUT....if this juror even leaves the SLIGHTEST impression that they may NOT be pro Casey or pro defense, Baez has a HUGE decision to make (or is it Casey's?)....

Strike or pass and let jury be sworn in? But what if there is a chance the SECOND juror after the break turns out to be VERY pro prosecution?

VERY interesting game being played.....but my wager is on SA being much better poker players!!!!

Off to a funeral so will miss out on all the opening drama after lunch but will be looking for updates when I return!!! :great:

 

[Melanie]

OMG, that is what my DH thought I was on one day using his laptop. What is Web Sl*ts and why are you on it. ROTFLMAO, that is just too funny!

OMG - I haven't laughed this hard all week. Tricia's jaw must be on the floor bout now!

LOL

Mel

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Quote from "The Little Foxes" - one of my favorite Bette Davis films:

Regina Giddens: Cal, the grits is cold. Take it back.

Cal: Yes'm.

Cal: [Runs with the grits, back to the kitchen] The grits didn't hold the heat! The grits didn't hold the heat!

 

[suzihawk]

It's nice to see so many lurkers come out of hiding to post in support of Caylee.


:welcome3:

 

[mitzi]

You didn't miss much this morning...Defense set forth a motion regarding jury selection and the unfairness of it all...(whine)---Judge Perry basicaly told them to cool their jets and find case law...then we went on to a potential juror only to have him excused....then mostly "5" minute breaks to discuss this or that---they are in a court of law and I can't figure out what clock they are going with...their five minutes is lots longer than mine!

Oh yeah....jb said he was willing to continue working then wanted and extended lunch.....could go on forever....:banghead:

Aw, geez! What a fuster-cluck! Leave it to JB to mess everything up.

I still think they should have stayed on Orange Cty. to get their jury...Pinellas Cty. is now saturated with case info.

HHJP should also have done the jury picking the traditional way. Get a bunch plus even more and then use their peremptories and be left with a jury of 12 and 8 alternates.

I think it all started going downhill when HHJP allowed the initial pot. juror's interview to run past 4 hours....no way was that necessary.

 

[gibby207]

Fry up a ham steak in butter in a heavy skillet. When it's nicely browned, take it out, and use hot coffee to deglaze the pan. Make sure to scrape up all the browned bits on the bottom. Pretty darned good!

OMG.... that sounds awsome.

 

[mobius99]

So did Judge Perry pull a sneaky and get JB on the record saying something to the effect of "let's get to work" then JP comes back and says guess what?! I called my buddy and he said we can have the courthouse on Friday and Saturday to git 'er done.

Was JB thwarted again?

 

[logicalgirl]

Stuff in the bowl is the tasteless mush, better known as grits:

eeeeuuuuwww - are you sure that isn't cooked Sunny Boy breakfast cereal? It always has lumps no matter what you do.....:sick:

 

[gibby207]

LOL, I am calling my hubby today and tell him I am a member of Websl*ts! I will make sure I am holding the phone a long ways away from my ear though so he doesnt bust my eardrum!

My hubs already calls it Websl*ts too..... :innocent:

 

[Clearly Confused]

the truth is we dont know wtf is going on either....but I will give it a go...


defense sent poor miss fryer up to try to argue that doing the jury this way is unfair, and hizzonner smacked that down, basically saying for one thing they've known he would seat this way ages ago, why not probs til now?

then they get to the last PJ so far, the only one today whom the state peremptorially (is this a proper word?) struck, who was apparantly amazingly dressed, and absent yesterday due to no gas in the car.....


then they went to in camera, then to in sidebar, and just before that HHJP said they wouldnt have court after tomorrow (as in actual facility) and did also say they might start over again in another county!!!!

then they come back and go to a major long lunch break, just before which HHJP said they have the courtroom til saturday.... that they WILL begin opening statements 9am on monday...in orlando.....so long as they have seated a jury.


sorry it's all over the place, now you see why I usually dont recap, my memory does not work linearly :biglaugh:

Thank you for the updates but because I missed this morning. When you say start over in another county do you mean the entire jury selection? I may die if you say yes.

 

[Melanie]

I'm from the south and I HATE grits! Unless it is at 3:00 a.m. at a Waffle House. Oh, you northern people don't have Waffle Houses, do you? That's the usually the only place open at 3:00 a.m. when you are trying to ... get something on your stomach after a night of partying!

Oh we have waffle houses here in California! Waffles with chicken and biscuits. OMG - the best comfort food in the world!

Mel

 

[Bon]

Quote from "The Little Foxes" - one of my favorite Bette Davis films:

Regina Giddens: Cal, the grits is cold. Take it back.

Cal: Yes'm.

Cal: [Runs with the grits, back to the kitchen] The grits didn't hold the heat! The grits didn't hold the heat!

One of my fav movies, love the old black and white movies which my DGD calls the grey movies

 

[Lera213]

This next potential juror up immediately following this lunch break may turn out to be the most important of the day!

The defense has ONE strike left.

The prosecution has FOUR left.

There are currently 11 jurors with ONE spot to fill.

Pay particular attention to this NEXT juror because he/she may determine whether we seat a jury today!

THe prosecution has plenty of "playing room" in determining whether a juror would be pro prosecution (with 4 strikes available)..

BUT....if this juror even leaves the SLIGHTEST impression that they may NOT be pro Casey or pro defense, Baez has a HUGE decision to make (or is it Casey's?)....

Strike or pass and let jury be sworn in? But what if there is a chance the SECOND juror after the break turns out to be VERY pro prosecution?

VERY interesting game being played.....but my wager is on SA being much better poker players!!!!

Off to a funeral so will miss out on all the opening drama after lunch but will be looking for updates when I return!!! :great:

The prosecution only has 3 left

 

[mitzi]

OK, so far this morning we have seen one potential wit questioned at length. He very much polarized the board in terms of everyone's impressions of him. When voir dire was over and he was sent out of the room, CJBP gave a loooooong speech about the process, how long it was taking, whether they would be finished in time, they are paying for hotel rooms in Orlando since Tuesday... JB said in open court that when the jury was picked it would be "time to get to work" (but we all know he doesn't want jury selection to ever ever end).

Then they took a 30-minute "5 minute break." Then they came back and went into sidebar immediately. Then they went back into open court and the SA used a peremptory to remove the PJ from the morning. CJBP pulled strings and got the courtroom in Pinellas through Saturday. He said we WILL start on Monday in Orlando, IF we have a jury.

And WSers worldwide screamed aloud in despair.

That's about it, I think.

Bold mine.

I wondered what that screeching was! :floorlaugh:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I believe there will be a prompt new objection/motion from the defense, after they question the remaining 15 potential jurors .... and the defense will say they were forced to use their other 9 peremptory challenges BEFORE the Judge reversed himself and let them question the remaining 15, and they would have used those 9 strikes differently.

And then that would open the door for the State to also argue that they would have used their strikes differently .....

The Defense is not going to be satisfied to use only one more strike after questioning the remaining 15 .... IMO

If I am not mistaken, I think the Judge can give more strikes. I think he will do that, but then he will close the door. BAM. Shut tight