2011.05.20 On a Scale of 1 to 10 How do you Feel About this Jury?

[2goldfish]

BBM I simply could NOT watch that video .. it hurt way too much the first time! :noooo:

ITA I dont know if I can ever watch it again, even thinking about it brings back the feelings. ugh.

 

[runsdeep]

Quotes from Ms. Paris like this one really make you wonder what was going on in the jury room ...

You are supposed to sit down together and figure out what it means when every police officer on the scene, including Casey’s own family, cadaver dogs, independent witnesses and SCIENCE put a dead body in the trunk of Casey’s car…at the exact time her daughter was missing!!! That fact alone is overwhelming evidence of her guilt and the fact that she lied to everyone should have been the end of the trial! You want us all to believe you were too stupid to figure that out? Don’t believe it.

Did you ever stop to think that in order for her to be “not guilty” of any of the charges the entire Orlando Police department, had to be lying? Yet you expect the public to believe that you are all 12 so feeble minded that you chose to believe the biggest liar in modern day history? Not buying it.

wasnt enough time in there but to discuss the meals and desserts

 

[ohiogirl]

An implication of Jury Tampering? Interesting!

The Casey Anthony Jurors: An American Disgrace…by Linda Paris

"To the Jurors:

Let me make one thing clear to all 12 of you. Your life as you knew it is over. You will forever go down in history as an American disgrace. You will now have to live with what you have done and people’s reaction to your dirty deed. My hope is that some of you end up in prison when this is over because it is my belief that something very wrong happened in that jury room. Something punishable by law. Something that should land some of you in a federal prison for a few years."

Much more at the link......

http://worldinfohub.net/2011/08/30/the-casey-anthony-jurors-an-american-disgrace-by-linda-paris/

I don't believe anyone was paid off.

 

[BuzzieCat]

She won't ever experience the personal closeness of making love for the right reason and trust that mate not to just perceive her to be what Baez called her during the trial. Worse yet, her friends, as well as any love-relationship she may ever enter, will likely only enter that relationship for the sick, twisted "fame" of being somehow connected to someone of her horrid, macabre notoriety.

IMO she could never have done that anyway. It's not the way she is. She was always too busy running her cons. A friendship is not going to last too long if you're too busy figuring out ways to steal from your pal! She is a piece of work. Now she will have the added complication, though, of having people seek her out because of her notoriety. She may get preyed on herself instead of being undercover like she used to be. I just worry for anyone who genuinely hasn't heard of her and gets into any kind of relationship with her at any point. She may still manage to find some gullible souls out there. It's really too bad.

Anybody know what would happen in this or any trial if the jury rendered their verdict and then some of them said "No, that's not my verdict" when being polled?

 

[krkrjx]

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Anybody know what would happen in this or any trial if the jury rendered their verdict and then some of them said "No, that's not my verdict" when being polled?

It would have been declared a mistrial.

 

[PeteyGirl]

From Paris' blog:

The chances that you are all dirty…far exceeds the chances that you are all terminal idiots. No one is as stupid as you expect us to believe you are.

Sadly, I believe this IS the case.

I have a hard time believing the jury was rigged except by collective stupidity and chicken*****tedness :crazy: . I tend not to think the worst of people anyway.

 

[Eric's_Iguana]

I have a hard time believing that they were paid off (it seems like someone would have said no and "tattled") but I do wonder if they thought they'd get more $$$ if they gave a not guilty verdict.

I also think Mr. Cruise should have never been selected. Seriously? I'd be ticked if I couldn't take a cruise, not ticked enough to let a killer go free, but I'd still be very angry.

I also think they discussed the trail before they were supposed to. I wish someone would admit to it, not that it would make a difference now.

I don't wish harm upon those jurors but I wonder how they'd feel if some guilty person got a not guilty verdict and then harmed one of their loved ones? Unless it was FKC, would they even make the connection?

I always thought they were just tired and wanted to go home.

And I give them a -10 on a scale of 1-10. Yeah, I know that's not on there but they just don't deserve a 1.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

IMO she could never have done that anyway. It's not the way she is. She was always too busy running her cons. A friendship is not going to last too long if you're too busy figuring out ways to steal from your pal! She is a piece of work. Now she will have the added complication, though, of having people seek her out because of her notoriety. She may get preyed on herself instead of being undercover like she used to be. I just worry for anyone who genuinely hasn't heard of her and gets into any kind of relationship with her at any point. She may still manage to find some gullible souls out there. It's really too bad.

Anybody know what would happen in this or any trial if the jury rendered their verdict and then some of them said "No, that's not my verdict" when being polled?

I agree that she wouldn't have done that anyway, but it makes it worse now than before because she is now not only branded forever as being Caylee's murderer, but also and probably worse for her is that her penchant to lie to the point of horror has been exposed.

Creating an entire entourage of imaginary friends in your life complete with professions, children, addresses and named siblings goes far beyond the normal "little white lies" people tell.

Bottom line, Casey was able to fool a lot of people prior to becoming a known felon. Not so much anymore, and she knows it.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

From Paris' blog:


Sadly, I believe this IS the case.

I have a hard time believing the jury was rigged except by collective stupidity and chicken*****tedness :crazy: . I tend not to think the worst of people anyway.

BBM - If you read the quote from Paris' blog in your post, Paris is saying the total opposite of your belief.

Paris clearly believes that there was Jury Tampering involved in this verdict with her reference to the Jury members being "dirty", rather than "terminal idiots".

"The chances that you are all dirty…far exceeds the chances that you are all terminal idiots. No one is as stupid as you expect us to believe you are."

 

[krkrjx]

I heard on one of the news casts not long after the verdict that one of the jurors was doing online courses for a Masters Degree during sequestration. I do not know which juror but it doesn't really matter.

Were the jurors a bunch of lazy fools, or even--as some believe--stupid?

Personally I always thought they just didn't want to be there anymore so they went with what was the fastest way. But in thinking this over, I realize they would have been just as free to leave had they voted guilty on one or more of the lesser charges. So why didn't they? Several admitted they all knew Casey was not innocent, so why vote NG on all the charges of crimes against Caylee?

I am now considering that jury tampering or some kind of payoff might not be out of the realm of possibility.

 

[jaleigh]

I honestly feel HHJP sent the wrong impression to the jury (rush rush rush). I feel this was a tragic mistake.

I also feel he did not spend enough time explaining reasonable doubt.

When the closing arguments were over and all was said and done, I felt like something was missing. Imo bayouland put the cherry on the sundae. HHJP absolutely rushed the jury. JP's instructions should have been detailed and put into simple words (very simple words). I agree, this was a huge mistake.
mo

 

[Searchfortruth]

As of right now, I feel that these jurors were incredibly weak and went along with one jury member. Instead of thinking independently, asking their own questions, holding strong to their own judgement, I believe they followed along, without looking at the evidence presented. They could NOT have formed these opinions based strictly on the evidence. Had I been one of the jurors involved, I would not be very proud of my verdict either. I wouldn't want my name released ever. Most juries talk to the press, answer questions, after the verdict. Not one of these jurors did that. THAT tells me all I need to know.

 

[lauriej]

As of right now, I feel that these jurors were incredibly weak and went along with one jury member. Instead of thinking independently, asking their own questions, holding strong to their own judgement, I believe they followed along, without looking at the evidence presented. They could NOT have formed these opinions based strictly on the evidence. Had I been one of the jurors involved, I would not be very proud of my verdict either. I wouldn't want my name released ever. Most juries talk to the press, answer questions, after the verdict. Not one of these jurors did that. THAT tells me all I need to know.

..as a jury, whether they were proud of their verdict or not (KNOWING that it was going to be "unpopular") ---you leave that jury deliberation room BELIEVING in your verdict...b/c you took the time to arrive AT it.

..there should be no problem for any one of the jurors to stand up and stick to his/her belief, justify it, explain it to the public.

..instead they hide like the cowards they are b/c they KNOW they did not do the work that was reguired of them.

..if they are individually "too chicken" to face an interview----------hey, they had their chance when the OCCourthouse set up their "special" 17 chair post-verdict media reception area where they all could have faced the music as a GROUP.....but no...off they ran.

..why??..... they know why...

 

[Well Done 99]

..hey, they had their chance when the OCCourthouse set up their "special" 17 chair post-verdict media reception area where they all could have faced the music as a GROUP.....but no...off they ran.
...

+respectfully snipped+

Precisely. Nobody ever said they were ALL required to take up those chairs and speak as a group, but they sure ran off as a group. I remember being on the edge of my own chair in anticipation at the time, and then thinking "not ONE of them is going to speak?"

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I heard on one of the news casts not long after the verdict that one of the jurors was doing online courses for a Masters Degree during sequestration. I do not know which juror but it doesn't really matter.

Were the jurors a bunch of lazy fools, or even--as some believe--stupid?

Personally I always thought they just didn't want to be there anymore so they went with what was the fastest way. But in thinking this over, I realize they would have been just as free to leave had they voted guilty on one or more of the lesser charges. So why didn't they? Several admitted they all knew Casey was not innocent, so why vote NG on all the charges of crimes against Caylee?

I am now considering that jury tampering or some kind of payoff might not be out of the realm of possibility.

It does make you wonder doesn't it? I was left with an uneasy feeling that something just wasn't right with this verdict. The verdict just didn't make any sense. How could anyone totally dismiss all the evidence the state entered? In all the trials I have watched I have never seen a jury so ignorant or are they or was something else at play? It is so hard to believe that 12 people could be this clueless when the evidence was staring them in the face.

Why did none of it mean anything to this jury? Not one piece of it.:banghead: Never reporting Caylee missing or the 31 days of partying it up like it was 2099? Totally dismissed. How could they completely dismiss the testimony of 7 witnesses that said they smelled the decomp in the defendant's car??? HOW? How could they completely ignore that the mandible is never found fixed and in place unless the victim had been bound with duct tape before death? :banghead:

There is something very wrong with this verdict. That is why they ran away like cowards imo.

To rate them at ZERO would be giving them too much credit.

What they did and how they did it is going to be one of the blackest marks on our justice system for many decades to come. It is so hard to get over injustices knowing something shouldn't have never happened.

Even after all this time has past I still feel anger toward these jurors who robbed Caylee Marie of the justice she deserved.

IMO

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Yep...it was none other than juror #11, the foreman, who so diligently continued his online courses during sequestration. Ashleigh Banfield discussed it in a video interview that disappeared within 48 hours of it being online. I never went back to see if it was ever put back online, as I didn't want to click "anything FCA", LOL, but here's my post and some other excellent posts about that subject.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6910410&postcount=1452"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2011.07.11 Greta Van Sustern interview with Jury Foreperson[/ame]

I heard on one of the news casts not long after the verdict that one of the jurors was doing online courses for a Masters Degree during sequestration. I do not know which juror but it doesn't really matter.

Were the jurors a bunch of lazy fools, or even--as some believe--stupid?

Personally I always thought they just didn't want to be there anymore so they went with what was the fastest way. But in thinking this over, I realize they would have been just as free to leave had they voted guilty on one or more of the lesser charges. So why didn't they? Several admitted they all knew Casey was not innocent, so why vote NG on all the charges of crimes against Caylee?

I am now considering that jury tampering or some kind of payoff might not be out of the realm of possibility.

 

[MissJames]

Yep...it was none other than juror #11, the foreman, who so diligently continued his online courses during sequestration. Ashleigh Banfield discussed it in a video interview that disappeared within 48 hours of it being online. I never went back to see if it was ever put back online, as I didn't want to click "anything FCA", LOL, but here's my post and some other excellent posts about that subject.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2011.07.11 Greta Van Sustern interview with Jury Foreperson

Since he claims he was the one to help the holdouts along I find him the most suspicious. Knowing he was using a computer during that time really raises some red flags.
Hinky.

 

[krkrjx]

It does make you wonder doesn't it? I was left with an uneasy feeling that something just wasn't right with this verdict. The verdict just didn't make any sense. How could anyone totally dismiss all the evidence the state entered? In all the trials I have watched I have never seen a jury so ignorant or are they or was something else at play? It is so hard to believe that 12 people could be this clueless when the evidence was staring them in the face.

Why did none of it mean anything to this jury? Not one piece of it.:banghead: Never reporting Caylee missing or the 31 days of partying it up like it was 2099? Totally dismissed. How could they completely dismiss the testimony of 7 witnesses that said they smelled the decomp in the defendant's car??? HOW? How could they completely ignore that the mandible is never found fixed and in place unless the victim had been bound with duct tape before death? :banghead:

There is something very wrong with this verdict. That is why they ran away like cowards imo.

To rate them at ZERO would be giving them too much credit.

What they did and how they did it is going to be one of the blackest marks on our justice system for many decades to come. It is so hard to get over injustices knowing something shouldn't have never happened.

Even after all this time has past I still feel anger toward these jurors who robbed Caylee Marie of the justice she deserved.

IMO

BBM: This is what has me stumped. Clueless, indeed. But it is very difficult to believe all 12 jurors and apparently some or all of the altnernates were clueless.

In any group of people from various walks of life thrown together at random like a jury tends to be, it is the norm to find at least one with a voice of reason. Yet it appears none in this *random* group possessed the ability to be reasonable in their thought processes.

The few who initially voted guilty were very easily swayed--too easily for me to see it is anything but hinky. I have to wonder what might have swayed them; what went down that was so convincing (or so tempting) that even those who knew the defendant had killed a little child were so quickly led astray to the point of setting the killer free?? Something fishy, IMO.

 

[lauriej]

BBM: This is what has me stumped. Clueless, indeed. But it is very difficult to believe all 12 jurors and apparently some or all of the altnernates were clueless.

In any group of people from various walks of life thrown together at random like a jury tends to be, it is the norm to find at least one with a voice of reason. Yet it appears none in this *random* group possessed the ability to be reasonable in their thought processes.

The few who initially voted guilty were very easily swayed--too easily for me to see it is anything but hinky. I have to wonder what might have swayed them; what went down that was so convincing (or so tempting) that even those who knew the defendant had killed a little child were so quickly led astray to the point of setting the killer free?? Something fishy, IMO.

BBM

..and the 2 who initially voted guilty ---on their 1st 10-2 round ( which was by a show of hands!!!---not secret! ) voted GUILTY --of the most serious charge, 1st degree MURDER, death penalty eligible.

..how on earth does a person go from their belief that a person is guilty of MURDER to-----okay, not guilty ( on even the lowest charge--child abuse!! ) in a matter of hours?

..the "voice of reason" on this jury, was their foreman ( JF on greta---"and they all picked ME!" ) -------and he didn't have a clue.

ETA-------and for anyone IN pinellas county as school is resuming-----this braniac IS the health and/P.E. teacher of someones kids.

 

[krkrjx]

BBM

..and the 2 who initially voted guilty ---on their 1st 10-2 round ( which was by a show of hands!!!---not secret! ) voted GUILTY --of the most serious charge, 1st degree MURDER, death penalty eligible.

..how on earth does a person go from their belief that a person is guilty of MURDER to-----okay, not guilty ( on even the lowest charge--child abuse!! ) in a matter of hours?

..the "voice of reason" on this jury, was their foreman ( JF on greta---"and they all picked ME!" ) -------and he didn't have a clue.

ETA-------and for anyone IN pinellas county as school is resuming-----this braniac IS the health and/P.E. teacher of someones kids.

LOL, if that foreman was the voice of reason, heaven help us all!!

Ya know...the fact of those voting guilty on the most serious charge and then changing their minds is not the main reason to be alarmed. Sometimes people do change their minds after some deliberation of the evidence. The problem with this case is there really was not enough time spent for "some deliberation of the evidence" prior to votes being changed.

You pointed out that they did this massive about-face in a matter of hours. Very few hours, to be precise, not even a full day was spent in deliberations. Had jurors been swayed over the course of several days or a week, it would not look so fishy to me. That they were swayed so completely in such a short time just does not stand up to reason, IMO.

Maybe someday far into the future one or more of these 12 citizens will grow a conscience and not be able to find peace with what they have done. Maybe then we will hear some truths about what occurred that should not have during sequestration.