2011.05.20 On a Scale of 1 to 10 How do you Feel About this Jury?

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It sickens me so, that I don't think I will ever be "over it"!
I had so much confidence in this jury, and was beyond shocked with their verdict!
I still am!


They so obviously did not do their job, there really should be another trial. I know, I know, wishful thinking! But so much is so not right here!
I don't know how they lay their heads down at night, knowing that they have let a murderer walk!
 
It sickens me so, that I don't think I will ever be "over it"!
I had so much confidence in this jury, and was beyond shocked with their verdict!
I still am!


They so obviously did not do their job, there really should be another trial. I know, I know, wishful thinking! But so much is so not right here!
I don't know how they lay their heads down at night, knowing that they have let a murderer walk!

I agree with you sweetmop. Had the same feeling as you did when the verdict was announced. I always believed that KC would be convicted and I was shocked when she was let go free. Don't know why the jury let KC back into society. I ask myself many times....who would have murdered little Caylee. It all leads back to the crime scene, the laundry bags from the home, the trash bags, stickers, diary, the video of her at Blockbuster, happy as a clam she was.

She has to live with herself now. But I don't think she gives a damn. This jury let her go free. It blows my mind.

I will always feel that justice was not served by this jury. I was truly shocked when the verdict came in as not guilty. My heart sank for little Caylee. She deserved to have a life, but it was taken from her by her own mother. There really was no justice for Caylee's death. The jury didn't get it. I wish they would have, but it's over and done with now. Rest in peace little Caylee. So sorry you didn't get justice. I'll keep praying for you and hoping you are at peace.
 
Matthew 7-1 Judge not that ye be not judged. Juror #4 the black lady believed these words that Jesus spoke to his disciples. I am not superstitious but I support this lady's right to practice her religion as guaranteed under the Ist amendment. When she stated to the court that she could not judge people because of her faith the court should have dismissed her for cause. This was not a race issue. The court interfered with this women's constitutional right to freely practice her religious beliefs. Having this juror on the panel gave two possible outcomes. 1. Not guilty 2. Hung jury.

When JP said" anything that can go wrong,did " I place this decision in that category. It was a no brainer to me. I thought anyone against the DP was supposed to be disqualified ,also. :maddening:
 
I keep thinking of that "given" of our justice system, "innocent until proven guilty".

The Pinellas 12 may have gotten the big picture wrong, but they got this right.

How the "standard" (ack!) state case impacted them LESS than the "case" presented by the defense will puzzle me until long after I'm dead.

In all fairness, these are the words of the jury foreman, a single person's views. Granted, he did have at LEAST a modicum of influence, being chosen as the foreman and acting in that role. So I can safely assume he speaks for the rest of the jury, to a degree, in terms of how the state and defense impacted them all.

We have all witnessed the differences in how people come to believe what they believe. Could it be that this jury was deliberately (or in a perfect storm kind of way) selected for hints they gave in voire dire that they were "emotional thinkers"?

Emotional thinking is not thinking at all, it is more like pebbles rolling to the lowest spot on flat ground. They are pulled and nudged by emotional gravity.

But that still doesn't account for HOW in God's name the horror of Caylee's death and discard into a swamp was NOT the emotional trigger . . . and poor wittle Casey Anthony and creepy George Anthony WAS? How the state's case did not wring their hearts for this tiny child's death, but the defense's case made them MORE sorry for Casey? Is that even what happened? What else would explain this??? What was wrong with these people??
 
The outcome of this case was so upsetting and every time I allow myself to think about it again, I picture D. Simms jumping up and down with joy in the restaurant with her cronies, Baez, Mason and all the rest of their senseless group who apparently saw nothing wrong with celebrating someone by the nam of Casey Anthony going free after murdering her child.
 
To this day since the verdict was read I cannot listen or hear it again after hearing it for the first time, I was so upset I scared my husband. I love and totally agree with the slogan
"The Pinellas Twelve: Assecories after the fact"
 
The outcome of this case was so upsetting and every time I allow myself to think about it again, I picture D. Simms jumping up and down with joy in the restaurant with her cronies, Baez, Mason and all the rest of their senseless group who apparently saw nothing wrong with celebrating someone by the nam of Casey Anthony going free after murdering her child.

Minutes after Baez solemnly (fakely) stated there were no "winners" in the case.
 
I haven't been able to come near this thread since Verdict Day.
I remember that I had written something positive about the jury once they were all chosen and I had so much faith in them. I was certain that they would have a Guilty verdict on one or more of the stronger charges.
When they acquitted the felonious one I felt like they had slapped me in the face.
They did not understand one thing that this case was about, I don't know if they were lazy or crazy. They are a big fat ZERO now. MOO
 
I have gone back and forth, and back and forth, and back again on this subject. I wish I was burning calories...

I am trying to understand the jury from "their" point of view and not mine. I know that I have the advantage of ALL information and they did not. I know that I have been in litigation management for 30 years and I am not swayed by "theatrics"...unless backed by reasonable or demonstrative evidence... I.e. FACTS.

As much as I want to smash a plate after I have written the name of each juror on it, I eventually pity the jury. I pity them because they were played by the "perfect storm" of 1) our judicial system that seeks not the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" by excluding all facts. 2) A cast of characters willing to commit perjury. 3) Our culture that creates celebrity from infamy 4) They were born with the traits that landed them on this jury in the first place...the primary trait being easily seduced. They were seduced by the passion exhibited by JB ( he told us things we never knew=intimacy ).

I tried to pacify myself by envisioning that this jury was a sort of collective Snow White who ate the poisonous apple, even as so many of us watching the story wanted to jump in and scream "Don't eat the Apple!!!!"

I don't want them all to burn in hell... they are very much a victim of the perfect storm, and to the extent that each of them lacked the will, or courage of conviction, I think their conscience will crucify them in a way that should be reserved for Casey.

I hope that one day...they find Peace. It as taken me many bottles of wine to get to this point, and each time one of them speaks...I must begin my process again. it's not pretty. I don't rate them vey high.
 
I can't rate my feelings on a scale from 1 to 10. My feelings are in the negative side. Something like negative 12. moo
 
I have gone back and forth, and back and forth, and back again on this subject. I wish I was burning calories...

I am trying to understand the jury from "their" point of view and not mine. I know that I have the advantage of ALL information and they did not. I know that I have been in litigation management for 30 years and I am not swayed by "theatrics"...unless backed by reasonable or demonstrative evidence... I.e. FACTS.

As much as I want to smash a plate after I have written the name of each juror on it, I eventually pity the jury. I pity them because they were played by the "perfect storm" of 1) our judicial system that seeks not the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" by excluding all facts. 2) A cast of characters willing to commit perjury. 3) Our culture that creates celebrity from infamy 4) They were born with the traits that landed them on this jury in the first place...the primary trait being easily seduced. They were seduced by the passion exhibited by JB ( he told us things we never knew=intimacy ).

I tried to pacify myself by envisioning that this jury was a sort of collective Snow White who ate the poisonous apple, even as so many of us watching the story wanted to jump in and scream "Don't eat the Apple!!!!"

I don't want them all to burn in hell... they are very much a victim of the perfect storm, and to the extent that each of them lacked the will, or courage of conviction, I think their conscience will crucify them in a way that should be reserved for Casey.

I hope that one day...they find Peace. It as taken me many bottles of wine to get to this point, and each time one of them speaks...I must begin my process again. it's not pretty. I don't rate them vey high.

Excellent post :rocker:

I too think a primary failure on the part of the jury was courage to take responsibility. Too many excuses were given by the ones who've spoken up. That begs, big time. I think the jury felt victimized from the get go. That's the impression I get from their statements. Like they were offended and frightened to be put in the place of having to give a verdict on such a tough case.

It reminds me of accepting a job, signing your job description, and then whining because the job is too hard, or takes too much time.

Of course many of the jurors did not WANT this job. Maybe a jury of conscripts will become a bad an idea as a military of conscripts?

Hmmm, I really wonder about this?

Certainly, for the juror Jennifer Ford, who expressed desire to be on the jury, my example above fits. She wanted to be on the jury, then whined about how hard and unfair it was.

I haven't been charged with making this kind of decision, in my life. I gotta give the jury THAT, they have one big one up on me.

The thing is, we don't always get to choose. Being a member of this society demands we present for and do jury duty if chosen. Folks OUGHT to rise to the occasion, and most of the time they do. They grit their teeth and put themselves and their preferences aside to do the job the right way.

Maybe the answer is not "professional juries" but volunteer juries? I know there would be a whole new set of problems with that (ie, a dearth of volunteers :D ). The candidates could be chosen and voire dire'd per usual, but in the end you'd have a group of people willing to put up with what they must, challenge themselves past their comfort zones, etc etc. Or, at least more willing.
 
To this day since the verdict was read I cannot listen or hear it again after hearing it for the first time, I was so upset I scared my husband. I love and totally agree with the slogan
"The Pinellas Twelve: Assecories after the fact"


I totally agree ... "Accessories After the Fact" is very "fitting" for the P 12 ...

The evidence presented by the State was "crystal clear" ...

My Opinion Only ... I think the Jury DISLIKED the SA ... and for some "bizarre" reason I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND, "fell" for the DT and their OUTRAGEOUS "LIES" ... MOO ...

MOO ...
 
I sure hope none of the Pineallas 12 or any member of their families are ever a victim of a horrific crime and end up in court with a jury like them, sitting in judgment over the perp. Then they'll know what true injustice feels like.

Still can't decide whether the jury was 1) just too lazy or brainless to do the work, or 2) too sheep-like to follow their conscience. I would have much preferred a hung jury, for sure.

Pretty bad when a forum of perfect strangers cared more about what happened to a doe-eyed little girl than 1) her mother 2) her grandparents and 3) the defense team. The real victim simply got lost in the shuffle. Sad, sad, sad.
:twocents:
 
I am still sick over the verdict and had to step away for awhile. I will never understand how they came to their decision.

Have any of the jurors recently spoken publicly?
 
:maddening: WARNING : Brace yourselves for this one :

Another "anonymous juror" has spoken out :



http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521892,00.html


Casey Anthony 'Seems Like a Horrible Person,' Says Juror

By Steve Helling

Monday August 22, 2011 09:00 PM EDT

snippet from above link: "One male juror consented to speak with PEOPLE under the condition of complete anonymity."

Juror does NOT even HAVE THE GUTS to PUT HIS NAME ON THE VERDICT !

MOO MOO MOO ...
 
:maddening:


Snippet from http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521892,00.html

"We did our first vote and it came out half to acquit, half to convict," says the juror. "And we talked about it for a while, going through the evidence. I'd say that some people got intense, but there were no personal attacks, no real yelling. And we talked for a while, then it was 11-1 to acquit. And the guy who didn't want to acquit basically looked at us and said, 'O.K., whatever you all want.' He knew he wasn't going to convince us."


RBM: WTH ? There HAD to be some "strong-arming" while deliberating ... MOO ...

I mean really -- "WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT" ? WHY OH WHY DIDN'T THIS JUROR STAND UP FOR WHAT HE BELIEVED IN ?

Keep Talking, Jurors ... eventually we WILL know WHAT REALLY HAPPENED during deliberations !

MOO MOO MOO ...
 
http://www.people.com/people/article...521892,00.html
Nearly two months later, would the juror change his vote? "I've learned a lot more about the case by reading the documents," he says

A little late to have regrets.
They figured out she was a horrible person but could not connect the dots. The dots were huge. Unbelievable.
 
:maddening: WARNING : Brace yourselves for this one :

Another "anonymous juror" has spoken out :



http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521892,00.html


Casey Anthony 'Seems Like a Horrible Person,' Says Juror

By Steve Helling

Monday August 22, 2011 09:00 PM EDT

snippet from above link: "One male juror consented to speak with PEOPLE under the condition of complete anonymity."

Juror does NOT even HAVE THE GUTS to PUT HIS NAME ON THE VERDICT !

MOO MOO MOO ...

This is just plain awful
 
More from the article and I can"t believe what I just read.

"And then we sat there for a few minutes and were like, 'Holy crap, we are letting her go free,' " he continues. "Everyone was just stunned at what we were about to do. [One of the women jurors] asked me, 'Are you okay with this?' and I said, 'Hell, no. But what else can we do? We promised to follow the law
 
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