2011.05.24 - What was the biggest shock on the first day of the trial?

[Cross Creek]

I can't wait to see ICA's face when her "so called boyfriend of a few weeks" TA is on the stand. If you thought she was excessively preening before ... just wait till she sees him!!!

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I thought Linda should open, so no surprise there.
I thought the defense would claim accident AND sexual abuse, no surprise, really disgusted though.
I have always hoped Jojo would do the right thing for Caylee- I was relieved when he refused to go under the bus.

So the biggest shocker..... how well George and Cindy kept it together while hearing such vile statements about their family. And that KC.... oh nevermind..... no shock about how low she'll go.




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[Themis]

~~~Bolded by me

You know, I almost got the impression that Baez was shocked himself that George did not admit or concede to those disgusting allegations.

Even more so, I think that ICA was beyond shock that George "failed her" by not admitting to them. When she started crying after George testified that he had not molested her, the look on her face, in my opinion was that she knew right then and there that her parents were NOT going to bail her out of this huge mess that she had made.

I think reality set in. Those tears were not because she was reliving any alleged molestation, as I have seen some talking heads suggest, but rather, those tears were because ICA knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that her goose is cooked. Stick a fork in her, she's done. Self-serving tears that had absolutely nothing to do with molestation allegations. <snipped>.

I think this is so important. This was ICA's epiphany. That moment -- right after George testified and she cried. She suddenly realized the nature of her circumstances; that no one was going to come through like a knight in shining armour and take the fall for her. Before that moment she was grandiose enough to think she had it all figured out. It was a combo of molest victim/it-was-an-accident/ and SODDI -- Some Other Dude Did it -- Dad or Mr. Kronk. She clung to that plan proclaiming her innocense. The great muggle death penalty qualified attorneys walked when she stuck to her plan and wouldn't agree to try to work out a plea. She was so arrogant in her ability to hold all the lies together. The linch pin was having her Dad cooperate when push came to shove. Even though he knew ahead of time that most of that was coming, he did not corroborate her story. That was the moment that ICA knew she was alone.

 

[katydid23]

Oh and I was shocked when JB made the statement to the jury about how they were all picked because everyone thought that they would be the best people to do the job even though he objected to the entire panel after selection was over with.


There was no need for him to say that at all and it was such an obvious lie on his part.

THANK YOU. I almost spit out my coffee in disgust when he opened with that disingenuous carp. Puh-lease...

 

[savannahanna]

Maybe you already got a reply, but my only thought would be "Annie", KC's BFF.

I agree, have a 2+ yr. old in the house and she can't get the first letter out in a word. You have to guess! She would also say annie or nnie instead of zanny! Good thought!
Savannahadam

 

[gngr~snap]

I agree, have a 2+ yr. old in the house and she can't get the first letter out in a word. You have to guess! She would also say annie or nnie instead of zanny! Good thought!
Savannahadam

yep! IIRC language develops from the back of the throat forward. My son said under for thunder and my daughter Samantha called herself amansa... Forming the z might be a lil hard for some toddlers.

ETA but Caylee said Cici. that is close to z and she said "ant knee" for Anthony soooo I'm prob wrong.

 

[Chiquita71]

I had to leave the forum for a few hours today. I got up in anticipation of watching it on TV and even wore my TES shirt as that always reminds me of my time with the other boots on the ground looking for her. It was upsetting. I've got a pretty strong stomach but it was shaking today after JB's opening remarks. She (ICA) spent all day shaking her head at everything SHE needed to deny. As though that allows her to make her OWN truth. She denies reality and would be the kind of person to shave the edges of a puzzle to make them fit. She IS vile. She IS evil. Until today, I was even willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and felt strongly that Caylee had accidentally drowned in the pool and being a young mother didn't know what to do so she concocted this elaborate story to cover for her own inadequacies. Her mother and father that enabled her to live the brat life and even took on the responsibility of her child that no one knew who the father was. I do however, feel the PT will reveal who that is before this is over. She SHOULD be crying because she is ashamed of herself. Instead, she is crying because she KNOWS this is the ultimate "means to an end" to avoid the DP. To use her entire family as an excuse!!!!! It's always everyone else's fault! Not hers, never! Bull...........the DT will prove her to be the calculated self-centered murderer that she is and I cannot wait for that. That duct tape didn't get wrapped around Caylee's head after a drowning........that doesn't make sense.

JB did a good job today........too good.......to the point of being "unbelievable". Geraldo in the audience.......ppppffftttt........when this is over, they will have more in common than ever before. i.e., (for those that remember, the empty vault).

Baznme :tyou:

:clap: To every single word. I can even relate to that stomach thing. anic:

BBM :yes:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I too was wondering how much of his information came from Websleuth's. :waitasec:

He certainly included everything but the kitchen sink. He should have kept it simple. Lots of contradictions and things that don't make sense. If he admits she drowned in the pool, what's the issue with the forensics? Is he paying attention to his own statements?? The jail calls alone will sink the DT imo.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I can't wait to see ICA's face when her "so called boyfriend of a few weeks" TA is on the stand. If you thought she was excessively preening before ... just wait till she sees him!!!

I wonder ICA thinks she's still dating Tony...

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I think this is so important. This was ICA's epiphany. That moment -- right after George testified and she cried. She suddenly realized the nature of her circumstances; that no one was going to come through like a knight in shining armour and take the fall for her. Before that moment she was grandiose enough to think she had it all figured out. It was a combo of molest victim/it-was-an-accident/ and SODDI -- Some Other Dude Did it -- Dad or Mr. Kronk. She clung to that plan proclaiming her innocense. The great muggle death penalty qualified attorneys walked when she stuck to her plan and wouldn't agree to try to work out a plea. She was so arrogant in her ability to hold all the lies together. The linch pin was having her Dad cooperate when push came to shove. Even though he knew ahead of time that most of that was coming, he did not corroborate her story. That was the moment that ICA knew she was alone.

She probably thought GA would follow CA's example and lie for her.

 

[Chiquita71]

I would not call it a "shock" but the consistent blame the DT placed on everyone other than ICA (even with the accidental drowning):
CA left the ladder up on the pool (ICA is not at fault)
GA was busy working on something when Caylee disappeared (ICA is not at fault)
ICA lies. Her family raised her to. ICA is not at fault.
GA was the one who found dead Caylee in the pool. (ICA didn't find her dead. Thusly, ICA is not at fault)
GA blamed ICA and said she would go to jail for the rest of her life for neglect. ICA was scared. GA took over and ICA is not at fault.

Oh...and the computer searches...not addressed by the Defense at all.

Basically, Caylee drowned herself. Caylee was at fault. GA was not paying attention. Nevermind what ICA was doing at the time. And CA facilitated Caylee dying by not leaving the pool ladder where it should have been. Am I getting this right? ICA is not at fault cuz she was "molested" (when really the only molestation I believe ICA has ever had is the stuff she is doing to herself daily in the courtroom...with the petting and the primping and the constant drawing of attention to her breasts) and lies...and lies because she was raised to...not because lying nor stealing is anything that she has never done even before Caylee died...[I]God Bless America. I don't need to worry about ICA going down in flames because the Defense has lit the fuse. Honestly, how does not JB and Co...NOT think that after she is convicted THEY won't be her next victim? (can we not all see, Ann Finnell molested me, Cheney Mason molested me, JB raped me...coming down the pike? Cuz it seems apparent that is how Casey operates.[/I] JMO)

LittleBitty :wave:

This is exactly what I said to my husband tonight. So, I guess Caylee is at fault for her own death, huh? :sick: Casey is not at all responsible. She is not even responsible for being irresponsible or distracted and that is what caused Caylee's death, no-she is 100% innocent. If she had never been abused by her family she would not have been distracted for Caylee to drown.

And since it is not George who killed her, Jose did let us know that he was not suggesting that...and it was not Kronk who killed her...he is just the "low life" that hid her body to get his lottery ticket...so who is left? Only Caylee to take the blame.

italics BBM (red) :yes: at this point I wonder where and when Casey will be stopped? FWIW: CM was rubbing ICA on the back whilst Jose was saying she was a sexual abuse victim.
:twocents:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Just occurred to me that the DT is not only accusing GA of incest, but of pedophilia. That is shocking to me. I pray pray pray there are serious consequences to JB for this. Unbelievable.

 

[Bittiness39]

LittleBitty :wave:

This is exactly what I said to my husband tonight. So, I guess Caylee is at fault for her own death, huh? :sick: Casey is not at all responsible. She is not even responsible for being irresponsible or distracted and that is what caused Caylee's death, no-she is 100% innocent. If she had never been abused by her family she would not have been distracted for Caylee to drown.

And since it is not George who killed her, Jose did let us know that he was not suggesting that...and it was not Kronk who killed her...he is just the "low life" that hid her body to get his lottery ticket...so who is left? Only Caylee to take the blame.

italics BBM (red) :yes: at this point I wonder where and when Casey will be stopped? FWIW: CM was rubbing ICA on the back whilst Jose was saying she was a sexual abuse victim.
:twocents:

Wow!:rocker::great: I can always count on you. Can I just say to all posters that you are awesome!!!

Yep Caylee is to blame, George is to blame, Lee is to blame, Cindy is to blame, Kronk is to blame...god bless their souls...oops forgot about Vass...wow, Casey has a flush...down the toilet. Any one who loves truth cannot believe that Casey is not responsible. :rocker:

 

[Carrington]

Just occurred to me that the DT is not only accusing GA of incest, but of pedophilia. That is shocking to me. I pray pray pray there are serious consequences to JB for this. Unbelievable.

I really don't think you can just blabber away in open court, with no consequences.
IMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I was personally shocked that GA was not a part of the Defense ruse and did not take the 5th or deny the allegations in a manner that had dual meaning. GA came across strong as a loving caring parent and not an abuser and seemed to answer genuinely and honestly.

JB went after GA aggressively though, trying to set GA off balance and seek specific results. GA being GA wavered and played into JB's strategy to make himself look bad. However, I applaud GA for being as honest as he could and dealing with a lose-lose situ. He does not want ICA sentenced to DP and thus cannot throw her under the bus in retaliation but is maligned in the world media himself ... how worse can it get?

If the Jury does not buy this shocking but disjointed set of stories with many holes then it will badly backfire on ICA, turning them more harshly against her and maybe translating from LIFE to DP as a consequence.

If GA does not handle this well I could see a breakdown or a suicide risk (God forbid) ... which can be read both ways but the Defense is playing with fire. He cannot lash back at ICA because that can imply his guilt.

CA was left out of the Defense attack when a lot of the questions were both CA/GA and CA did not seem shaken ... as if she was in cahoots with the Defense to assinate GA. CA had on her professional secretary glasses look, like ICA when she was arrested after GJ.

I'm now convinced they are all in cahoots. GA, CA, ICA and DT. All of them. This was all set up by JB to create reasonable doubt and GA and CA are going along with it.

Something seemed really funky with GA's testimony and JB's questioning of GA and I'vw now decided they are all in on it together.

MOO IMO

 

[Melanie]

The Roy Kronk blah blah. It made NO sense to me. HE dumped the body? How is that even possible? How is the DT going to connect RK back to the house. Impossible I say.

MOO

Mel

 

[MaryB]

That this lie was told to the 48 HRS mock jury and fell for it hook, line and sinker. Blech.

 

[jon_burrows]

I'm now convinced they are all in cahoots. GA, CA, ICA and DT. All of them. This was all set up by JB to create reasonable doubt and GA and CA are going along with it.

Something seemed really funky with GA's testimony and JB's questioning of GA and I'vw now decided they are all in on it together.

MOO IMO

BBM - I believed that at first until I heard GA's testimony. My expectations of him were so low that I thought he would say anything to get Casey off. When he denied the sexual abuse allegations and refused to go along with the accidental death in which he was a part of, I thought he was finally going to tell the whole truth.

But, there is one thing that I can't push out of my mind and that is GA saying CAYLEE talked about Zanny before she left that day. GA said from the very beginning that he would bring up Zanny with Caylee and she did not recognize the name. Both sides have already agreed there was no nanny so why lie now? It makes no sense unless GA is willing to lie about trivial things in order to cast doubt in regards to his own credibility. In other words, it's ok for the jury to believe he is a liar (which helps Casey) because once a witness gets caught in a lie their entire testimony may be discarded by a juror. Taking it a step further, it's ok with him if a juror(s) believes if he lied about Zanny then he could be lying about the abuse and the pool drowning scenario JB laid out. If he lied intentionally by putting words in a dead child's mouth that she did not say then I'll be 100% convinced they are all in cahoots to lie to a point, but will cover their own arses if it involves prison time for THEM.

None of this should matter in regards to Casey's guilt but you never know what one juror may latch onto and regard as reasonable doubt for Casey.

IMO

 

[21merc7]

The biggest shock for me is that the DT's statement may actually work. They left enough room to fix any element as the trial goes. They can hope that the jurors may forget whatever they may or may not bring up again later. Just one juror may buy some of that b.s.

BTW: Curse words, and body part words are to be expected in the Courtroom. Please don't freak out when you hear them. Curse words would be direct quotes from the people involved, body parts are scientific terms that leave no confusion about what is being explained.

 

[magic-cat]

She probably thought GA would follow CA's example and lie for her.

That is exactly what I think she thought would happen. She thought George would fall into line and agree with any and all of the lies she told, because she knows how much he loves her and has seen the lengths they have gone to in order to try to protect her. She was heartbroken when he did not fall on the sword for her, and instead opted for truth. I never did like George much, but now? Seeing the level of evil that he has obviously endured from his daughter? I have a newfound affection developing for him. No wonder he has escaped reality into smurfdom. Who wouldn't with a psycho daughter like that?

I watched Casey while they were talking about how they painstakingly sifted soil on their hands and knees to find her little bones, and she never batted an eyelash or acted like that bothered her at all. She was ALL emotion when it came to HER OWN SELF, and I think that is the whole of this entire case. She cares for nobody but herself and her daughter, whom she murdered was not immune from this disease of hers.

The Kronk factor had to be the biggest shocker, and the most idiotic theory that has ever been presented in a court of law. Baez went out into the wilderness on that one...lol