2011.06.10 Sidebar (Trial Day Fifteen)

[Softail]

OMG! IS has a lady that was in court. She is saying she is "lucky enough" to get in. She is laughing at video of herself running to get in line! uke:

 

[Chiquita71]

I'm sorry, now I get it....I have gone thru a rough bout of insomnia and sometimes---I wasn't offended at all--I think we all come here based on our histories and thats was makes us care...and our emotions do speak out...

:blowkiss: No, I am sorry. I am being really emotional. Right now I refuse to accept that something couldn't have been done to keep Caylee away and safe from this monster.

I see how Casey acts, and I can't help but think "how did Cindy and George accept this?" It goes beyond "issues"...I feel evil come off of her...and I guess I feel Cindy must be evil too...

to have played this game with Casey.

And, back on the subject of ICA: I hope HHJP makes her sit this out. Bill Sheaffer said she could ask to not be a part of this if she wants. I think that shows she wants to play this act for the jury and so does her defense team.

 

[wandering]

I had a much longer post typed but I deleted it because I was angry rambling.

I feel this family is really caught up on "appearances" How does this look to others? Look back at those emails that CA had with her brother, she minimized and downplayed ICA's issues. I think that has been going on for forever with the whole family.

Of course then their whole world exploded under the weight of the giant microscope that was placed on them. Now they GA,CA and LA are wanting to be recognized as genuine. Kinda hard to do now. Should have been done when ICA was pregnant.

Thank you, my thoughts exactly. I have children, and I feel they reflect me, so I can totally relate to CA's unwillingness to admit anything is wrong with her daughter. I would never hide something like this, though, or subject my sweet grandchildren to the horrors of this monster, ICA.

 

[shezcrafti]

We've all seen how much Caylee was doted on by CA & GA. I have to wonder if Casey herself was also doted on in the same fashion when she was Caylee's age. I have to believe that she was. Cindy seems like the type of person who is just so proud of her family, even when things didn't turn out the way she expected them to (KC getting pregnant).

So where the heck did Casey go wrong? Are people just born evil?

 

[Baznme]

I have an off the wall theory of why KC tends to wrap herself in sweaters or coverings during certain testimony...and its usually when the topic is about "Sweet Caylee"....I think KC gets chilled to the bone because Caylee's spirit is trying to hug her momma...and KC senses that Coldness right to the bone!!!

Okay..go ahead and laugh...Its just a theory:rocker:

I see it a little differently. She's dressing more conservatively without the body cling and wrapping in sweaters to comfort herself. She seems to get cold easily these past few days and is feeling very vulnerable because the truth is coming to the surface. Piece by piece. She's keeping her head down and retreating into herself. She can escape viewing the pictures of her dead daughter but she cannot escape the descriptions and conversations that surround those pictures. I believe the tears are real because this is the reality of what she's done. She's guilty and she knows it.

She will recover within moments of the conversations ceasing. Now we see that is how she went on about her life with clubbing, and running around town as though nothing ever happened.

 

[GetSmart]

I hope Cindy writing in court is not a book.I will never buy or read that book.

My hubby thinks it is either a book or movie ideas ..all from her point of view.
ie... another case of me me me ..he said that !!

 

[Soulmagent]

OMG! IS has a lady that was in court. She is saying she is "lucky enough" to get in. She is laughing at video of herself running to get in line! uke:

All those people chanting in the hall should have been asked to leave. Crazy to conduct oneself in a courthouse like that.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

How could the Anthony's have kidnapped Caylee? Caylee along with her freeloading mother lived with the Anthony's all their lives. What they could have done and in fact did discuss doing was going for custody.

Well, ICA had been living elsewhere for awhile...TL's or staying with RM or someone.

But anyway, I wasn't really suggesting they could have kidnapped her, just trying to make the point that Caylee was under the sole control of her mother, legally.

 

[essies]

Hey :wave: Mountain Kat

I understand what you are saying. But, why not just let Casey go do what she wanted to and keep Caylee safe?

She didn't have to get custody. Casey didn't want Caylee. Casey wanted to leave Caylee with her mom all the time.

But CINDY didn't want that...obviously. She cared more about making a STATEMENT to Casey about her lifestyle. A little TOO LATE Cindy.

She should have protected Caylee. Sorry. Technicalities are moot. IMHO.

Sorry Kat...none of this is directed at you or anyone here, of course! :blowkiss:

:seeya:Hi Chiquita!! I totally get what you're saying and it makes me crazy and angry too! I think Cindy did love both her "girls" and was hoping that Caylee would somehow make Casey develop into a responsible caring person. What a fatal mistake that was and one she'll have to live with for the rest of her life. It's probably one of the reasons she fought so hard to accept the fact that her daughter did this!
Looking back-there were so many opportunities that weren't taken -if only Cindy had paid alittle closer attention and faced reality sooner about Casey - Caylee would be enjoying summer break from school right now!!:sigh:
This morning has made me sick to my soul between looking at that wretched creature and listening to the details of how Caylee's little body was discarded and dispersed by scavengers and put back together like puzzle pieces!!:banghead:
So I dedicate this song to Inmate Casey Marie Anthony!!:furious:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh9N8Y0GxE8"]YouTube - ‪God's gonna cut you Down‬‏[/ame]

 

[stilettos]

First in order to do that, Cindy would have had to have ICA charged with theft, wait for the trial, and hope she got a jail sentence, not probation. If she got probation and promised the judge she would take care of Caylee, then CA could not get custody.
You had a case in the States where a murderer who served part of his sentence and was out on probation got custody of his children.
Parents are given every chance by the courts to be rehabilitated. The only time custody is easy is if the parents abandon the child.
Even then it's a couple of years of waiting before permanent custody is given to a non parent.

Depends on the case and what you can prove...had CA gotten ICA psych tx she would have had better standing with teh courts. I know not every court is the same...and I know there are huge difficulties...but nothing trumps your Grandchild's safety....and well being.

 

[Ssejors]

I'm not really understandig the defenses argument that Caylee drowned. If that was supposedly the case, what happened? So:

1. Caylee drowns
2. George and Casey have her dead on the lawn after pulling her out
3. Roy Kronk jumps into the yard and takes her into the woods?

What supposedly happen after she was found floating in the pool? Was that ever mentioned or was it left hanging to anyone's interpretation?

Sorry, I'm kind of lost in this.

Oh Dear lord... Disregard the entire OS of the DT. None of makes any sense and frankly JB was all over the place. He was like a high school kid writing a sloppy essay and if I was grading that Essay I would have only given him a D. A D because at least he WROTE the darned thing himself. That much is obvious.

Nearly ALL of JB's OS has gone by the wayside. He never even BOTHERED to question GA about the sexual abuse while he had him on the hot seat. I would have thought that that would have been the best time to go after him in front of the jury. To smear his character and futher debunk any of his upcoming testimony, but he didnt. Its almost like JB decided to just WING his OS and then forgot what the heck he said and cant follow up on it....


YOU ARENT THE ONLY ONE COMPLETELY BAFFLED WITH THE DT's OS.

 

[sleutherontheside]

You know media / In Session has hit ROCK BOTTOM when they have...as a guest.....a court spectator.

Seriously???? This is noteworthy??? This is relevant???? This is......

I have no words....and that's a BIG DEAL!


I am literally screaming at my TV.

In Session should change their title to "In Session Where News is Anything that fills Airtime!

 

[Rapunzel]

What I can't wrap my mind around is why would you duct tape the child's nose and mouth if this were an accident??? How will the DT explain that???

I understand that KC's first and second story was a kidnapping, but don't kidnappers usually send notes and want money??? Why would they kill the child by asphyxiation???

 

[costalpilot]

I'm not going to say anything more on the subject of CA, EXCEPT to say, SHE is not responsible for what happened to Caylee.

IMO

right, in your mind, and mine

wonder how ICA looks at it

she has to blame somebody

and we know its not gonna be herself

so......

 

[wandering]

Oh wandering.....:seeya: CA and Sharon Rocha should not be in the same sentence.

My apologies. I just meant it seems to be something that survivor mothers do.

 

[zoey]

:blowkiss: No, I am sorry. I am being really emotional. Right now I refuse to accept that something couldn't have been done to keep Caylee away and safe from this monster.

I see how Casey acts, and I can't help but think "how did Cindy and George accept this?" It goes beyond "issues"...I feel evil come off of her...and I guess I feel Cindy must be evil too...

to have played this game with Casey.

And, back on the subject of ICA: I hope HHJP makes her sit this out. Bill Sheaffer said she could ask to not be a part of this if she wants. I think that shows she wants to play this act for the jury and so does her defense team.

:blowkiss::hug: back at ya.....:seeya:

ITA--she should sit there---I also think she should review those pics as well.....

 

[legalmania]

Not necessarily. People who die from illnesses or "old age" don't usually require autopsies. Most people who die don't require autopsies,but the manner of death would still be noted .

The original question was from another poster what is the difference between cause of death and manner of death, or are they the same. I suggested she go to the verified lawyer thread. After several different responses, I looked it up myself and they are the same thing.

 

[Pooh]

We've all seen how much Caylee was doted on by CA & GA. I have to wonder if Casey herself was also doted on in the same fashion. I have to believe that she was. Cindy seems like the type of person who is just so proud of her family, even when things didn't turn out the way she expected them to (KC getting pregnant).

So where the heck did Casey go wrong? Are people just born evil?

In my opinion, Casey had no boundries with her parents. You can tell by the way she talks to them - cussing and all that crap. I would have had my block knocked off if i even TRIED to talk to my parents that way. And all Cindy did was call her "sweetheart" and try to pacify her instead of laying down the law in that household. Casey is a result of the way she was brought up.

 

[BritsKate]

I lived with a disordered person for ten years. My ex was diagnosed comorbid NPD/APD. I 'knew' he lied, cheated, blamed the world, was violent and angry, etc. I still loved him and believed in his heart of hearts he was a good guy. It took a decade to realise that I was wrong.

During our divorce he was charged and subsequently plead guilty to committing a crime I never would have thought him capable...so where I thought I knew the extent of his depravity I was nowhere even close.

FWIW

 

[Frigga]

Chiquita, If I may interject, I think I get exactly what you are saying. Cindy didn't need to make Casey move out and get custody of Caylee (cuz apparently that is difficult if not impossible and too expensive- according to Cindy) but what Cindy could have done is LET ICA DO whatever she wanted. Let her go out with her friends and party... stay the night other places. Cindy didn't HAVE to call Casey and demand that she come home (GMAB- the baby would have fallen asleep eventually, and the more they encouraged her to do so, the easier it would have been). That is what I think you are saying?! Caylee could have been with Cindy in the evenings and at night when Casey really wanted to do her thing, without having a toddler with her. She was over 21 now, and able to go to bars and clubs and Cindy would have been protecting Caylee, at home... the baby she loved to be with. She could have even scheduled her vacation so that Casey could have gone to Puerto Rico with her friends and Caylee would have been safe with her and Casey would have been doing what she wanted. Is that what you are saying Chiquita? If you are, I understand and agree. Hugs to you my friend.