2011.06.11 Sidebar (Trial Day Sixteen)

[RR0004]

So in your mind, Casey had no idea there was a dead body in her car? Despite the stench?

We have an entomologist who states with absolutely certainty that the body was placed in the trunk of the car very close to the time of death, and remained there, in active decompoistion, for 2-5 days. Who had possession of ICA's car during that time? Who had access to it? And how did ICA not notice this body during that time? The stench was, by all accounts, overwhelming.

In addition to that, did ICA not know her daughter was missing? Where did ICA think her daughter was? With GA? With a neighbor? Out having tea with her little playmates?

C'mon Trident...really?

...besides, hadn't she opened the trunk to put garbage in there?

 

[21merc7]

I think this is a big clue to Casey's personality. She clearly does not deem what she did to her daughter anything that warrants a trial and feels she shouldn't be punished in any way for killing another person. Her attitude mocks the court. She really is a very sick and demented person. Probably more than we could even guess.

I think you are right. I think she blames it on whomever Caylee's father is, on CA mostly, on GA, and anyone else an excuse can be made for. She has never been in a position in life to have to be faced with her mistakes. She never had to own up and make things right before, until now.

 

[suzihawk]

Posters have said in earlier threads that JB is implying that the Expert Witnesses are paid to say what the State wants them to say.

It's a silly argument because Expert Witnesses are hired to say whatever bolsters their case, of course. If their opinion were opposed to their stance, they wouldn't hire them - they'd find another one that does.

Personally, I think Expert Witnesses are a waste of money. Enormous amounts of money are paid only to cancel each other out. It becomes a game of who can afford to hire the biggest, baddest, most impressive and expensive EW, IMO.

* I meant it's a silly argument in general. Not that your statement is silly, Tipstaff.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I believe a body was in there, probably Caylee, but I see no proof Casey put it there. Proof being the operative word. Casey was not the only person who had access to that car trunk. Is it possible GA, LA, the guy next door put it there? I really don't know who put it there, or when, except for the 2.6 day thingee which I can't find right now.

Trying to be open to all possibilities: Then why the nanny story and why play the martyr in jail for 3 years, acting (on all family member parts, or at least GA or LA--the way she said "I have to find her" is enough for me to know Cindy didn't know, even if she suspected after the car was found, until that moment for sure) for the visitation camera like they really are searching when everyone would have to know by that point that she was dead for it to be one of the family. If the neighbor or a stranger, how did they come to be in possession on Caylee's body and again, why not tell if you did not do it. If it were your child, would you disrespect her that way if you did not dump her yourself, by taking the true killer/dumper above her and protecting them. If not justice, you would not want something done out of pure and simple motherly vengeance? Even if you are a sociopath, if YOU still wanted your daughter, someone taking that something that YOU want away from YOU would be enough for YOU to take action because when You are a sociopath, everything is always all about YOU, YOU, YOU and YOU take care of things that are not what YOU want. (Not any particular YOU, including Trident. Just the YOU of sociopaths out there that know everything is all about them.)

 

[SyraKelly]

Even if the prosecutors had to present their case again, Casey will still be convicted. I think even with a new DT, Casey would not get a jury that would overlook all the evidence against her, and find her "not guilty."

It would be awful, and terribly expensive to try this case twice. Even so, I think another jury would reach the same "guilty" verdict.

I think if there was to be other trial..ICA would probably plea guility..(If she is a little smart)
she has heard what the SA has and knows she will not win!

 

[21merc7]

I think if there was to be other trial..ICA would probably plea guility..
she has heard what the SA has and knows she will not win!

I think the trial has been an eye opener for her. The evidence, the witnesses, the jurors, the world, all saying she is guilty. I don't think she knew. She has been in a not so comfy bedroom for three years with no one to talk with but attorneys and psychologists. I do think she is finally seeing it for the first time.

 

[RR0004]

Trident - I think you're spot on and I believe there are jurors that will feel the same way.

I, too, believe she's guilty. But I'm concerned that the state has not YET provided enough evidence towards motive. Jurors, imo, will have a hard time sentencing someone to death without reasoning why. Sure she partied, and manipulated and lied about everything, but every single person on the stand who knew her said she was genuine with the child, never lost her temper with Caylee, showed a loving nature towards her, their relationship was incredible, blah blah blah.

Party pics are damaging. But she's been partying since Caylee was born and never killed her before. Heck, she even got away with having no job all that time....imagine...never even had to pay rent. The state's got to drive home the trigger for Caylee's demise. I wonder if they plan to ask Jesse about that fight between Cindy and Casey on the 15th? As a juror, I'd want a pattern of neglect or something towards that child to show she wanted that sweet child out of her life.

See that's just the thing...we don't know very much about what Casey did before the end of 2007 beginning 2008. I'm not sure she did party. I know she probably shopped a lot because of her stealing...but I don't know if she went out lots. Her parents even attributed her behavior prior to Caylee's disappearance to her "new" friends. I'd really like a time line for the last 2 years of Caylee's life.

 

[Cheewawa007]

No one but Casey had that car in her possession from the day she left the house until it was recovered at the tow yard. Had they been able to catch up with her CA would have seized it well before then, once she got frustrated with all her excuses,just to get Caylee back home...

June 1st:
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lee testifies George Anthony also had a set of keys to White Pontiac car and had access to trunk. #CaseyAnthony -fell
3 minutes ago

WS Twitter Thread - post 481

ETA: I don't think for one second GA had anything to do with it - just thinking what the DT might use to raise reasonable doubt.

 

[SyraKelly]

I think the trial has been an eye opener for her. The evidence, the witnesses, the jurors, the world, all saying she is guilty. I don't think she knew. She has been in a not so comfy bedroom for three years with no one to talk with but attorneys and psychologists. I do think she is finally seeing it for the first time.

and she probably will not get the DP!

 

[suzihawk]

Interesting. Does anyone know if non-press, non-attorneys and the like are allowed to bring cell phones into the court? I ask because we are not allowed to bring phones into courts here. None of the courts here allow it. No spectator phones and no phones for people who are going to court itself. Just lawyers, judges, police officers, etc and media.

Their use should be banned in the Courtroom for EVERYONE except for perhaps the Judge. Too much room for shenigans as we're seeing here. I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in the not so distant future. All parties should only be able to use a cell phone when outside the Courtroom, IMO.

ETA: Many classrooms/schools now forbid the use of cell phones except for restricted areas because of cheating possibilities. Same thing, IMO.

 

[21merc7]

Their use should be banned in the Courtroom for EVERYONE except for perhaps the Judge. Too much room for shenigans as we're seeing here. I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in the not so distant future. All partys should only be able to use a cell phone when outside the Courtroom, IMO.

I agree. I think that there are many reasons that they are not allowed in the Courthouses here. Cannot pass the metal detectors at the door with one, you have to turn around and take it to the car or you can leave it with the Deputies at the metal detectors on your own discretion.

 

[Tipstaff]

June 1st:
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lee testifies George Anthony also had a set of keys to White Pontiac car and had access to trunk. #CaseyAnthony -fell
3 minutes ago

WS Twitter Thread - post 481

ETA: I don't think for one second GA had anything to do with it - just thinking what the DT might use to raise reasonable doubt.

It would not be unusual for any household to have 2 sets of car keys. Cars typically come with 2 sets and they are typically placed in a key box, key drawer, key basket, key holder on the wall etc. At any given time anybody in the household and even people that come and go from the house COULD have access to the car keys.

There are exceptions to this but generally most people in the household know where the keys are kept.

This was a house with a 2 car garage everyone would know were the keys are just to juggle the cars. There were four adults in and out of the house and all drove.

 

[21merc7]

and she probably will not get the DP!

I don't think she will, but I never have. Her age, the lack of the smoking gun, the inability of some jurors to make peace with themselves if they make that decision.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I agree. I think that there are many reasons that they are not allowed in the Courthouses here. Cannot pass the metal detectors at the door with one, you have to turn around and take it to the car or you can leave it with the Deputies at the metal detectors on your own discretion.

BBM

Nice! Here you have to take it out to your car. They aren't allowed in the building at all. IN Va Beach there are lockers in the court that you can pay for, but the first time I went to court for child support I had gotten a ride because I didn't know where the court was and downtown here is confusing. I had to put my phone in a plastic bag and bury it in a planter outside and luckily it was still there when I got back out.

 

[momtective]

No one but Casey had that car in her possession from the day she left the house until it was recovered at the tow yard. Had they been able to catch up with her CA would have seized it well before then, once she got frustrated with all her excuses,just to get Caylee back home...

Cindy and George thought the car was in Tampa or Jacksonville...remember ICA was filling them full of carp about Zanny's car accident and being held over for her job and going to Jacksonville with Jeff...:banghead:
ICA had sole possession of the Pontiac until the day she left it at Amscot. I believe it can be proven through witnesses and text messages she sent about the car smelling. George is completely innocent and the DT is ludicrous for implicating him in hopes of creating reasonable doubt.

 

[concentric]

. The state's got to drive home the trigger for Caylee's demise.

<mod note: snipped by concentric>

I have some questions. Do you think that the duct tape was applied in a passive or aggressive manner? In other words, was the duct tape applied as a measure to keep Caylee quiet in the event that the sedative (chloroform) wore off too quickly? Or, was the duct tape applied in a frenzy of anger in order to shut Caylee the f up and silence her forever?

Does the means of applying the duct tape even matter? It's all murder in the end, right?

Or, is that not the case?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

...besides, hadn't she opened the trunk to put garbage in there?

Not garbage, trash. Did Dr. Hackett teach you nothing?

 

[21merc7]

It would not be unusual for any household to have 2 sets of car keys. Cars typically come with 2 sets and they are typically placed in a key box, key drawer, key basket, key holder on the wall etc. At any given time anybody in the household and even people that come and go from the house COULD have access to the car keys.

There are exceptions to this but generally most people in the household know where the keys are kept.

This was a house with a 2 car garage everyone would know were the keys are just to juggle the cars. There were four adults in and out of the house and all drove.

Jumping off your post Tip;

Also, KC told Yuri she "bought" the car from Lee. That would me to believe he too had a key somewhere, being baby detective that he is and protector of KC knowing she is irresponsible. I don't know if Lee was the previous driver of the car or not though, I only know it is insured and titled in CA and GA's names.

 

[Doodlelover]

I think you are right. I think she blames it on whomever Caylee's father is, on CA mostly, on GA, and anyone else an excuse can be made for. She has never been in a position in life to have to be faced with her mistakes. She never had to own up and make things right before, until now.

You are so right but I think even now she is not having to own up. I personally believe that the DT went to GA and CA and told them the only way to save Casey from the DP was to go with the accidental drowning and implicate GA. I believe CA and GA saw this as the only way to save Casey's life. I believe they are still behind her 100%. Cindy is texting her during the trial and all the Anthony's were very careful during testimony, not one of them added a single thing to help the Pros.

I honestly believe that the A's believe it was an accident. I think they believe that ICA tried to cover it up and make it look like a kidnapping thus the duct tape and so on. But I do think they bought the whole accident story, hook, line and sinker.

 

[21merc7]

Not garbage, trash. Did Dr. Hackett teach you nothing?

Trash, garbage, rubbish, it's all the same.

Oh wait, no it isn't. :slapfight:

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