2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

[faefrost]

:banghead:I'm just now catching up.





GA/CA picked up the Pontiac between 1-2pm. CA made the 3rd and final 911 call around 10pm. It was more than just a few hours. Hours to clean the trunk, throw pants into the wash, clean mama doll, place Fabreeze sheets into it, later said she sprayed a full bottle of it, rummage threw the car looking for incriminating evidence, remove steak knife and wash it and THEN return to work and tell her story. Drive to get Amy. Drive to TL. Drive Amy back home. Drive ICA to a closed LE sub station. Drive back to the As. Let LA interrogate ICA, and finally hearing, "Caylee was kidnapped", she calls LE as GA arrived there with LE driving up being told they were summoned for a stolen vehicle and thief.

Oh good grief, I am gonna edit the post and put a disclaimer on it. I made it up. It is only a fantasy in JBs mind. It is not true as of this date. JB may well decide to go with it or some similar version.

We make a lot of noise about how damning the smell is. yes it is an extremely distinct smell. Once you smell it you know what it is as nothing else is quite like it. But it is still just a really really bad smell. Humans are really not wired to react to smells in all but the most general ways unless it is patterned behavior. Until something is put in context smells tend to be overlooked. We as humans will not typically use them as direct and immediate evidence to mentally recognize the story or scene that is in front of us.

This is something that experience and familiarity can get us to focus past. Parents of toddlers can almost always pick up the smell of a dirty diaper before anyone else in the room notices. A firefighter can recognize the smell of a burning house from that of a fireplace from a mile away, while a typical person would not. and someone like Dr. Vass can pick up on that decomposition smell immediately as it is part of his daily routine. Everyone else would need some sort of context for it. It is just a really bad smell until it becomes clear that someone is dead or missing. Then the mental pieces drop into place. Even for an experienced cop, it will still take some sort of context to make it all click. This is why that stench permeated a neighborhood around a serial killers house for years and the cops and the health department kept blaming it on the butcher next door. We tend to give far more weight to our eyes and ears then we do to our nose.

 

[RR0004]

On a positive note...it wouldn't surprise me if the DT has already started on Casey's appeal.

 

[allycat1208]

The state can also call rebuttal witnesses to counter witnesses or evidence that the defense calls. As an example if JB starts his song and dance about Caylee's body being moved by RK, or brings LB into the picture to try and claim that the area was searched, the state can call TM to verify that yes that area was under water and was not searched. Witnesses like TM and JG do not really bring anything themselves to the case in chief, as they really don't have any knowledge of the crime itself, but they are on the list to counter defense claims that may be made.

oh, They were on only the defense's list?

 

[Kat]

according to what I have learned from sars and oriah (two of our verified SAR posters) once someone dies they immediately begin to produce putrecene and cadaverine and the dogs can detect this...

moo

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75458"]Cadaver Dogs, Search Dogs, K9 Units - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
One of the threads for dogs.

Also wanted to add that it was stated that according to the evidence Caylee was in the trunk from 3 to 5 days. (There are studies of how soon a cadaver dog can pick up the scent of the decomp gases and they can be googled there seems to be a general consensus of 2.5 to 3 hours after death as earliest.)

The dog hit on the trunk. The dog hit on the area in front of the playhouse. Caylee was last seen by someone other than her mother on the 16th (GA) and she backed her car up to the garage and borrowed a shovel on the 18th (next door neighbor). That is when I think the death scent was laid on the grass in the yard in front of the playhouse. JMHO on that. She decided not to try to bury her there and put her back in trunk, returned the shovel and left.

It is my humble opinion that she dumped Caylee's body in the woods possibly on the 19th of June while her cell phone was silent for quite a while, which was abnormal behavior for KC's cell phone usage. We do have multiple threads on the cell phone pings if anyone wants them I'll go find them. All JMHO.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Whats wrong with that Wendy Murphy? We need a topic here about the HLN shows. She spouts the most ridiculous stuff and gets away with it. She says Caylee was not with Casey on the 16th and that Casey did not have her car on the 16th. She is intimating that Caylee was at home with george or the grandparents. She has cooked up this whole other scenario. Also, this other guess thinks the State has a lousy case and proved nothing. HLN is trying to get that murderer off and it makes me mad by having all these pro defense witnesses on day after day and no one on poor Caylee's side. I can barely watch that channel anymore.

Seriously she is just flat our lying or delusional or something worse. She just said twice Casey got up in the middle of the night and took Caylee somewhere while she was sleeping with Ricardo. I can only remember one time.

 

[Kentjbkent]

well, I guess I will go to the gym in the morning

((nurse looks down and wonders how much her a$$ has grown since jury selection began))

You might want to revisit the post where one of our caring members posted a new exercise she was doing during sidebars...think it was called BUNGEE?!! :floorlaugh:

 

[Lera213]

I need help please. On this video http://www.wftv.com/video/28005995/index.html at around mark 25:05 LDB said " You can hear dead air and CA threatened to take Caylee away from ICA. ICA said ______ I cannot hear that last part of what Linda said ICA said. Could someone listen and see if they can make it out?

 

[Kat]

On a positive note...it wouldn't surprise me if the DT has already started on Casey's appeal.

I agree on that RR. I was looking for a transcript of Baez' opening statements because this weekend I was browsing mitigating factors in DP cases.

I wanted to see exactly what he said because going by my memory alone---he said in his opening statement at least three or more mitigators for DP. Which leads me to conclude that the focus right now is to save her life not to prove her innocence completely. Of course if she is aquitted they will throw a party but I think they will also if they keep her off the table KWIM?

 

[2door73chevy]

OMG -- when I think about JB OS -- I don't think the drowning/cover up theory will fly, nor the alleged gross molestation.

JVM so worried about the state not connecting the dots.

For starters, KC said she left the baby on the steps of the so called nanny, which was a lie and IMO the jury will not believe the allegations the defense is getting ready to spew, so that brings us right back to KC.

JB accusing GA of doing what he alleges and just how were the A's going to explain CMA's absence -- adoption -- so outrageous and ridiculous.

IMO, it's an insult to the jury for the DT to even think they can make their stories make any sense at all. :twocents:

Dream Team - OJ
Slumber Team - KC

JB -- give the jury more credit!!

JIMO

But will the jury have any doubt? My opinion is JB knows ICA is toast and he's just trying to keep her from getting the DP. If the jury has ANY doubt at all they will not go with the DP. Right? I'm thinking that will be a victory for JB.

Is that what he's doing?

 

[Kentjbkent]

:floorlaugh:

Junk science! What does she call the DT's opening statement? A bedtime story? :crazy: Talk about JUNK! :loser:

Gotta tell ya, Miss James....I thank you for keeping it forefront, but every time I read one of your posts, and then see your signature photo...I get all enraged again! :banghead:

Anyone see that screenshot pop up in media tonight??? I would LOVE to see Baez face when HE sees it...and knows the world has seen it too!!! :rocker:

 

[Bon]

I just turned on the tube and it was still on HLN from this morning, and Vinnie Politan was talking with Wendy Murphy ...

Wow ... they have both done a 180 !

:waitasec: Has anyone noticed how "different" Wendy looks ? Her hair is long, but NOT as long as ICA's ... of course, a much lighter color ...

What's the deal with her ? :waitasec:

But he went one way and she went another!!!:banghead:

And yes she looks a lot different, I liked the "orignal" Wendy!

 

[nomoresorrow]

Mark N. on HLN (Vinnie N) stating that he's concerned about the state's case.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

The fingerprint witness sounded like a tape recording or a manual of "how to do something".

If you had listened to her credentials, she is very, very well-schooled in her professional field.

Your more intelligent witnesses are going to sound like that, it's not unusual at all.

 

[Sleuth5]

And just to give you guys some perspective.....

I live in Georgia very close to the Florida border. The climate here is very similar to Orlando, as is rainfall, etc.

This weekend (coincidentally, same time frame as 6/08), I purchased and planned to put a "double shepherd's hook" stand for hanging flower baskets in a front flowerbed.

The pole on this shepherd's hook is about 3/4" in diameter and the bottom section looks like a pitchfork. My intention is to stand on the pitchfork hooks and use my body weight to drive the hook down into the ground.

I made NO progress! I even tried using a mallet to drive it in, but eventually had to wait until 240 lb SO came home and HE was finally able to drive it in.

THAT is how rock, solid hard the soil is this time of year in the South!!!!

I'll second that -- I went through basic in Alabama in late summer, and trying to drive a tent peg into the ground was an exercise in futility. I think the DI's loved watching us try. LOL

 

[gngr~snap]

NCIS was involved along with Marine Corporal MH.
IMO MH will be accompanying NCIS for the states final witnesses.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/217372/

 

[Woe.be.gone]

As far as I am concerned there is no reason for the SA CIC to muddy the waters with an inmate's testimony....DT can always point out her past and legal problems and ask what she got for her testimony etc..etc.. I think the SA has put on a clean lean CIC and we will only hear rebuttals to any lies that the DT wishes to put on in their CIC...The Ball will soon be in their park..


Unless DT does put on KC..they will NOT be able to prove their opening statement whats so ever...especially if anybody testifies they know yadda yadda because KC told them....KC has been proven in spades she is a pathelogical liar...So who knows??

SORRY, I've quoted the wrong post.

Hello Ms. Adams. Can you tell us a little about your background? Married to a police officer? check. graduated college? check? mother of two children? check.
In prison for up to 25 years (or whatever)? check. Police officer husband and yourself dealing drugs? check.

Now, do you consider yourself a trustworthy friend and an honest person? Tell us a little about KC's character as you observed it please. :behindbar

 

[katydid23]

:banghead:I'm just now catching up.





GA/CA picked up the Pontiac between 1-2pm. CA made the 3rd and final 911 call around 10pm. It was more than just a few hours. Hours to clean the trunk, throw pants into the wash, clean mama doll, place Fabreeze sheets into it, later said she sprayed a full bottle of it, rummage threw the car looking for incriminating evidence, remove steak knife and wash it and THEN return to work and tell her story. Drive to get Amy. Drive to TL. Drive Amy back home. Drive ICA to a closed LE sub station. Drive back to the As. Let LA interrogate ICA, and finally hearing, "Caylee was kidnapped", she calls LE as GA arrived there with LE driving up being told they were summoned for a stolen vehicle and thief.

I did an edit to the post and put a disclaimer on it. I made it up. It is only a fantasy in JBs mind. It is not true as of this date. JB may well decide to go with it or some similar version.

She did not call 911 until early evening, but that was because she began an aggressive search for Casey. The car was towed to a lot. They did not know if Casey was responsible for that stink or not. Maybe it was stolen and used in a crime. Maybe Casey was involved in a crime, as they knew she was a thief and a liar. So, imo, they decided to try and reach Casey before reporting it to the cops. They never thought it was Caylee that was causing the death smell, imo.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Dr. Larry K. is now predicting on HLN's that the case WILL be overturned because of the state using the pic with Casey & Caylee, where Caylee's face morphs into a skull... oh boy.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Mark N. on HLN (Vinnie N) stating that he's concerned about the state's case.

And I cannot even begin to recall all the "bigwig" legal commentators who commented on "OJ Judgment Day" during the couple of hours before verdict was read that they were SURE OJ was going to be found GUILTY for a variety of reasons, including the length of time the jury deliberated.....very few "predicted" a NOT GUILTY verdict...

And we all know how THAT case turned out...


Just sayin'

 

[LyndyLoo]

Hello Ms. Adams. Can you tell us a little about your background? Married to a police officer? check. graduated college? check? mother of two children? check.
In prison for up to 25 years (or whatever)? check. Police officer husband and yourself dealing drugs? check.

Now, do you consider yourself a trustworthy friend and an honest person? Tell us a little about KC's character as you observed it please. :behindbar

LOL..As I said..There is absolutely no reason to bring in RA...and for just the outline of a possible cross you mentioned.....but IF she were to..she apparantly has KC's notes in KC's writings..so who knows what would be accepted by the jurors...