2011.06.16 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty)

[Carolina Girl]

I wish that someone could ask Judge Strickland his take about now! I bet he is glad he is out of it!

 

[countzero]

I remember hearing that a guy by the name of Eric Baker was known to have died. Was it ever enquired to his family if he knew KC?

I'm fuzzy on this but I remember LE released the death certificate for Eric. He passed in April or early spring and ICA told everyone and LE he passed away either on Caylee's birthday or around that date. The kicker, ICA said he was on the way to Caylee's birthday party.

What I don't remember clearly is iF LE spoke with the family. There was another man who died that ICA was rumored to have claimed he was the father and his family denied he ever knew ICA.

I would search for the threads because we had long discussions about this.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Maybe Ive missed it but hasLKB made an appearance today after the viasco JB did with DNA?..I havent..hummmm Isnt DNA LKB's strong suit?....Is it possible even she is embarrassed with his direct examinations and testimony?? She does know..NO DNA..so just what was JB trying to prove except innuendos??..

Sorry..I just find it interesting that LKB hasnt commented on how JB and DT is dismanteling the SA CASE...:floorlaugh:

Of course I could have missed it...but then again I dont miss her rhetoric one bit :crazy:

 

[Pita]

I remember hearing that a guy by the name of Eric Baker was known to have died. Was it ever enquired to his family if he knew KC?

I also always wanted to know why the Baker family did not give DNA to find out if Caylee was indeed his child.

 

[21merc7]

Maybe you are right he needed to address it, but the fact remains, it was brought up again and it is quite unclear as to the origin - yet one can never have reasonable doubt in the case based on it, nor could they totally exclude it as possible. Just sayin, sometimes weak evidence that is not the most important to the state's case is best left alone. It furthers' nothing on his opening statement which I feel he has to try and prove to some degree because if he can, that could create reasonable doubt. The sticker, in my humble opinion, is only a puzzle piece but not significant to the State's case. I don't have a problem with Baez, but frankly, I think CM is far more effective in defending Casey. Baez loses me sometimes, and asks too many questions that backfire when he has made a salient point.

BBM

He is clearly not a very seasoned defense attorney. Not only does he ask too many questions, he yammers on too much trying to get to the point. He rephrases the same question for at least 30 minutes and confuses himself.

This alone is a sign of an attorney you do not want. Not to mention the shady stuff.

The jurors will just space out listening to the same thing over and over again. Not everyone wants to be a juror, some look at it as a burden. Taken away from family, friends, pets, and good paying jobs. $30 per day to some is an insult. Listening to someone that cannot get to the point quickly or efficiently is completely trivial. They will pay attention to the attorney that gets the job done clearly and quickly enough to get the point across. Once, not a thousand times.

Not only is JB inexperienced in juror view as an attorney, he has no idea how to think about the jurors and how they feel, this is a big pitfall for him. He would probably be best with simple traffic tickets, maybe even reconstructing a traffic accident with the experts to do so.

 

[nitasch]

Interesting. IMO the defense did an excellent job discounting the sticker evidence. If I was on the jury, I wouldn't even consider it.

They at least put a doubt on the sticker evidence. However, the sticker was such a miniscule part of this case, I am actually surprised it made it into court.

 

[beeshie]

Maybe you are right he needed to address it, but the fact remains, it was brought up again and it is quite unclear as to the origin - yet one can never have reasonable doubt in the case based on it, nor could they totally exclude it as possible. Just sayin, sometimes weak evidence that is not the most important to the state's case is best left alone. It furthers' nothing on his opening statement which I feel he has to try and prove to some degree because if he can, that could create reasonable doubt. The sticker, in my humble opinion, is only a puzzle piece but not significant to the State's case. I don't have a problem with Baez, but frankly, I think CM is far more effective in defending Casey. Baez loses me sometimes, and asks too many questions that backfire when he has made a salient point.

I agree it didn't further the drowning/abuse story, but it does poke a hole in the state's case (a very small hole). I guess that's why I can't figure out why the state even bothered with the sticker.

I also agree that Baez loses me too. Most of the time during the state's case he looked like he was winging it.

 

[21merc7]

I wish that someone could ask Judge Strickland his take about now! I bet he is glad he is out of it!

Now? He was glad to be out of it then!

 

[allycat1208]

one word:

juliette lewis

((heck no he had nothing to do with this imhoo.. he is another innocent drug into this by Casey Anthony who is a proliferate and skilled liar. We will never find out who this father was. If you followed the case closely you will see her texts, ims, sleeping over dates with guys.. I am sure that she herself has no idea who the father is......moo)):twocents:


further thought: so why no paternity tests on all the guys she slept and cohorted with during that time? why just her dad and brother? If I were the state I would emphasize this!

I agree that KC was lying about an Eric Baker, but I think she knew who the father was. I'm just wondering why the media even thought that the Eric Baker they found was the one they thought KC was even speaking about. That's a pretty common name. I guess they found one Eric Baker that died around that time?

 

[eaglemom]

Some of this I 'get' and some of it is hard for me to be logical about. for example:

I understand the DT had to address the sticker issue; however, as a practical person it simply brings more validity to the sticker residue being on the duct tape (that and the state's FBI witness that testified to seeing it in the first place she was VERY believable IMO).... No one has given me sizes of any stickers or shown me the other 'actual' sticker sheets - that leads me to believe this is the ACTUAL sticker from the duct tape cardboard or no cardboard.

Secondarily - duct tape. After the photgraphs (which admittedly I did not actually see but I heard the testimony) of the hair mat and the duct tape and how the duct tape was in the hair mat and the mandible was attached (not normal) and the duct tape was draped in a manner that appeared to wrap around the lower portion of the skull - even after the skull had disarticulated from the rest of the skeleton and been through a hurricane/water/animal activity. Is there a question in my mind the duct tape floated there or was 'dumped there' - NO

DNA on the duct tape - well if a trained professional who wore gloves contaminated the shiny side of the duct tape while examining it and DNA experts testified DNA degrades - do I believe that this duct tape was applied by someone else because a minute amount of an alliel 17 was found and ICA as 15,19 and Caylee and 14,15 on the sticky side of the duct tape that was left? NO - that DNA could have been transferred from the responding LE (prior to the skull being recovered) or a random person dumping or Roy Kronk's urine splash for goodness sake (or someone else who decided to take a pee stop there)

I still want to know why the little girl was not reported missing by her mother - ever (CA called)

I don't really care who Caylee's father was or if ICA was abused

Has the DT created reasonable doubt for me - not at this point... they have to do a lot more than a random hair they can't identify in the handle sticker of the shovel; an allelial in duct tape for an unnamed person (except it isn't GA who appeard in their OS or ICA)-- all I know so far as this case was tested to the 12th degree attempting to find anything to find Zenaida in the beginning and then later for any kind of scientific evidence at ALL

MOO

 

[3doglady]

I remember hearing that a guy by the name of Eric Baker was known to have died. Was it ever enquired to his family if he knew KC?

LE did look up EB because it's in the evidence released. There's no info on them talking to his family.

 

[SarahEcho]

I participated in a balloon release today as well, although a different color. My friend's friend lost her little boy Zach this week at the tender age of just 3. At least his suffering ended so that his parents no longer have to grieve his pain daily.
We passed the PayPal hat to pay for the funeral and burial expenses right away, so there would be less to worry about. When they are up to seeing them, there are several scrap book albums being made of the gatherings of those that weren't able to be there for the funeral.

You do what you can, when you can. Little ones like Caylee can help remind us it's ok to care and extend a helping hand to those who need us. It's really a good way to remember her and help her to make a difference with those few short years she had, no matter how she died and what the outcome of this case may be. I'm glad I could do something for her this week.

 

[Bon]

When she was laughing it up this morning to start, and HHJP was standing behind her, I think he was taking a good look. Someone posted a profound picture of her trying to calm down as she realized he was right behind her. I think he may have figured out what she is, and it ain't good.

Unfortunately, he isn't on the jury

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Moment of the day: LDB "would you say the remains area where Caylee was found was a trash dump?" (paraphrased)

I feel like Linda got Caylee mentioned today. Casey was in rare form as she had to steal any energy away from Caylee.

:twocents:
:twocents:

:goodpost:


And it wasn't just what she said, but how she said it

"Would you say the area where Caylee was discarded was a. trash. dump?"

Plus the fact it was the ONLY question she even asked that witness...

Me love me some LKB! :tyou: :loveyou:

P.S -- Yes, love you to Mr. Ashton! :cheer: :bow:

 

[allycat1208]

I'm fuzzy on this but I remember LE released the death certificate for Eric. He passed in April or early spring and ICA told everyone and LE he passed away either on Caylee's birthday or around that date. The kicker, ICA said he was on the way to Caylee's birthday party.

What I don't remember clearly is iF LE spoke with the family. There was another man who died that ICA was rumored to have claimed he was the father and his family denied he ever knew ICA.

I would search for the threads because we had long discussions about this.

Strange that KC suggested that 2 different guys who had died was possibly the father. What did she think...that there was no way to check if they were dead? I bet she knew who the dad was. Maybe she had many guys but its hard for me to believe she did not know. Why was it a secret for her also?

 

[sayd]

Can anyone explain to me why our federal tax dollars are paying the FBI to be witnesses for the defense? I understand why we pay them to be witnesses for the state and for the defense to cross examine them. But to be actual witnesses for the defense? :banghead:

 

[allycat1208]

LE did look up EB because it's in the evidence released. There's no info on them talking to his family.

What evidence was released?

 

[SuziQ]

I thought JG said that KC wanted him to take the paternity test just to make sure, even though I'm sure she knew he was not the father, according to the dates of when she became involved with him.

JG's dad is the one who pushed for it.

 

[countzero]

Strange that KC suggested that 2 different guys who had died was possibly the father. What did she think...that there was no way to check if they were dead? I bet she knew who the dad was. Maybe she had many guys but its hard for me to believe she did not know. Why was it a secret for her also?

I don't have a good answer for you on this one. The possibilities are just too numerous to type out and I don't want to derail this thread. There are threads about this because we discussed it at length.

 

[Broderick]

I agree it didn't further the drowning/abuse story, but it does poke a hole in the state's case (a very small hole). I guess that's why I can't figure out why the state even bothered with the sticker.

I also agree that Baez loses me too. Most of the time during the state's case he looked like he was winging it.

It is just a potential puzzle piece, and weak at best, yet the fact remains that there is reasonable doubt to the defense as to the sticker origin - no? Like you said, you may disregard it as a juror and they may very well do so - but sometimes you have a puzzle pieces that fit nicely, easy to find and have those nice sharp edges - and other times you have that one that kicks your rear to find it's place. If the jury buys into the SA case on evidence, and Baez can't defend to his opening statement - it becomes one of those oh it goes there items in your puzzle. I like the way you think though, because you seem as impartial compared to many here so welcome and keep posting. It is very difficult for some of us, that have followed this case since day 31 to look at things objectively and it is refreshing to get new points of view.