2011.06.16 TRIAL Day Twenty (Afternoon Session)

[Kenziema]

This lady doesn't sound very confident... lots of ums and ahs.

 

[erinleigh]

Is it me is it really hard to follow all of the witnesses today? They all seem as if they drone on and on with overstating even a simple answer. I am having a hard time tuning in today.

 

[xin]

she does have some v nice pearls

 

[Nana46]

Cross. Oh this is going to be good.

She can't think as fast as JA speaks
She reminds me of my cousin who is medicated....not in any way suggesting this nice lady is medicated.

 

[Blue Ridge]

I wish all the witnesses could answer questions as clearly and to the point as Jennifer Welch.

 

[SurfieTX]

IMO, JA is getting waaayyy too emotional right now with the witness. He's coming across as very abrasive. LDB is better with women, IMO.

 

[Ssejors]

This woman seems like a terrible witness.

And I no longer trust her credibility as she admitted to contaminating the evidence and said something to the extent of "i dont know how that happened, in this instance" implying TO ME that this isnt the first time she has contaminated evidence accidentally.

 

[nursebeeme]

No, I thought she said the other person did see it. BUT, by the time she was done with her process and went back to take a photo of it, it was gone? IIRC

yes.. that is what I meant... and that person will for sure be a rebuttal witness. imhoo...

 

[JusticeSeeker1960]

Gee, somebody shoot me!!!!

 

[FaerieB]

CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Juror 15 continues to take a ton of notes. Almost after every question. #CaseyAnthony -jfell

 

[LyndyLoo]

:floorlaugh:

Didn't this woman get the tape after the first woman used chemicals, which destroyed the imprint of the sticker?

Yes indeed JA just clearified she got it after Ms. Welsh viewed it, went back and couldnt fine it ( Heart imprint)...So ok..that explains it..finger printing processing destroyed that adhesive...then you went on to contaminate it..

Sorry JB this does not disprove that Ms. Welsh and coworker DIDNT SEE it..

 

[Turnadot]

The sticker shape & the heart shaped sticker is one of the main things that the State is using to link the body to ICA. Take away that heart impression & the sticker, how do you connect ICA to the body?

The blanket? We know that blanket was at the house, and all of those at the house had access to it.
The Car? We know that several people had access to the car?

Without the sticker and its connection to ICA's sticker collection, you suddenly introduce several other options to who had access to the body.

The decomp in the trunk of her car, which was in her possession when Caylee went "missing". That's what Baez should attack.

And Baez already connected KC to to the body in his opening statement when he put KC at Caylee's death scene.

 

[Tulessa]

The sticker shape & the heart shaped sticker is one of the main things that the State is using to link the body to ICA. Take away that heart impression & the sticker, how do you connect ICA to the body?

The blanket? We know that blanket was at the house, and all of those at the house had access to it.
The Car? We know that several people had access to the car?

Without the sticker and its connection to ICA's sticker collection, you suddenly introduce several other options to who had access to the body.

Garbage bags? Laundry bag.

ETA. They have already admitted Caleey drowned.

 

[Amster]

Noooo....redirect by JB....well, nevermind, some will love it. MOO

 

[liltexans]

Juror 15 continues to take a ton of notes. Almost after every question. #CaseyAnthony -jfell

by cfnews13casey via twitter at 3:07 PM

 

[wenwe4]

Lorie Gottesman - FBI Lab division....supv of document examiner....employed @ FBI since 1992 - shy 20 years...BA psych and Masters Forensic Science - San Diego...question document examiner....all different types document handwriting, printing, typwriting, paper, alteration, obliterations, charred documents, compare those items with known items purpose to determine question item authentcity and origin.

train - doc examiner -intensive train @ FBI classroom, books journals, professional meetings, toured factories, tests, boards. most importantly worked actual cases under guidance and supervision of certified document examiners.

writing can be on different types of surfaces...threat on bathroom wall - graffiti, some type of package needs to be put back together - torn items or edges put together....not necessarily documents....member of professional organizations forensic scientists, Amer. society for testing and materials, assessor for American accredits labs ...admitted as an expert previously - not exactly sure 20 -25 times....Fed courts, STate courts and Canada....admit as expert questioned documents examiner.

in course of work use instruments - tools work with regularly - Electrostatic Detection

Video spectoral comparator - tool doc examiner use for variety reasons- comprised variety lights filters, camera film and monitor...able to see different spectrum light detected different thing on the document

12/22/08 report 3 items to test - 3 pieces duct tape....identified Q-62 to Q-64....items came from the victim herself....have reports? yes...where items came from....received from ME's office....items admitted into evidence Q-62- Q-64

what were you asked to do or look @ on these piece duct tape? determine if able to detect heart shape sticker or residue remnants = used videospectoral comparative....DT #AU exhibit - demonstrative aide - photos on the page - not the text....if she feels needs it - no object by JA....explain to jury - move text part over from the jury...
VSC has filters - our eyes see between 400 - 700 nanometers in different colors see white if light reflective and black if absorbed and combo of asorb and reflect ....if go out of 400-700 nanometers before400 or above 700 - use filters allow eyes to see what not normal see- under lights and filters see things without changing the document or disturbing it....put it inside box and look @ document -= naked eye white paper - under ultraviolet light 1 document brighter than the other 4...a 4 page contract or 4 page will 0 suspected insertion of the different page - using filters to aid us to see outside 400-700 spectrum...

what example this show? shredded paper without using any different light in the VSC see some shred pieces are reacting differently than other pieces shred...in their unit they put paper back together...helps to sort the pages to know which ones belong together.

picture on the right document cut - 2 pieces where pages ....using regular light. VSC little luminescing fibers - help to put paper back together - using VSC see paper fibers show pieces paper were onetime attached....

matches - from matchbook have alot impurity and debris inside ...strike match throw away...paper is bottom of barrel for paper...lots fillers in that paper - match left @ crime scene can match up the match up to matchbook....flourescing pieces will line up on VSC

in this case unable to see any sticker or sticker fragment with naked eye...VSC to see any with lights and filters can't see with naked eye...include residue....out of 400-700 nanometers...results after trying different lights and filters unable to detect any sticker residue .....none whatsoever detectable on the duct tape....

after conducting exam - asked to submit dna sample? yes....result of that a month later call from analyst in dna unit...they had unknown profile on one piece of tape..unable to eliminate it from anyone in their unit.....need elimination samples - none of the suspects...wanted to know if she could give hers...later found out it was her profile....she handled with care....precaution ...normal procedure wear gloves - she did do that...recall situation might have contaminated - no idea how or when happened...@ no time sneezed on it...scanned items in plastic protectors...scanned in glassine protective plastic....throughout entire time had these ...

other items to test...later received....

entire report - number pieces of plastic - give an overall assessment of the plastic as well to compare some pieces of plastic with others....some of them eliminated ...others inconclusive....match any plastic bags from residence to scene on suburban drive? no...

no further questions....Cross

JA - received tape #302 - after the latent print had already examined it....processed it, they couldn't find it, you tried to...couldn't find..

bags given to you taken from A residence and compare w/bags from scene....there were just a couple of bags she compared....5 bags residence compared to 2 items from ME's office - all bags from scene didn't conduct comparison....

2 items from ME office - 2 black plastic bags an d 2 known plastic bags from crime scene - majority of the bags she didn't compare....

way would compare bags - compare fracture patterns....machine impressions in the bag and impurity cross over from bag to another -not actually a tear on the end.....some of the bags were different in charcteristic- one brown one black - could eliminate completely

re-direct- mentioned asked to dna from suspects - indicate who suspects were? Object- sustained

no further questions - witness excuse

 

[reeseeva]

Why doesn't Ashton ask, if the bags from the scene and the ones from the Anthony's garage both had yellow ties?

 

[FaerieB]

Approaching bench before next witness called...? GA?

 

[MissDiva]

LOL

JB gets up for re-direct, one objection from JA, and JB has no further questions.

Witness asks if she can go back to W. Virginia, very timidly, and judge laughs and says yes.

 

[mombomb]

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF LORI GOTTESMAN BY JB:

Employed at FBI, laboratory division. She is a supervisory forensic question document examiner. She's been at the FBI since 1992.

BA in psychology from George Washington, MS in forensic science from National University in San Diego.

Question document examiner examines all types of documentary evidence and compares them with known items with the purpose of trying to determine the questioned items authenticity or origin.

Training - FBI training, classroom instruction, reading, professional meetings, toured factories, took tests, had oral boards, and worked actual cases under actual certified document examiners.

Sometimes writing can be on a bathroom wall for example - graffiti - torn items, packaging. Doesn't necessarily need to be a document.

Professional organizations - Mid Atlantic Association of Forensic Scientists, American Society for testing and materials, and assessor for ASCLAD lab (International org that accredits labs).

She has been admitted as an expert in court 20 to 25 times throughout the country in both State and Federal courts.

Witness admitted as expert witness in the area of questioned document examination.

She works with tools such as the ESDA machine used to detect indented writing, VSC machine - a tool comprised of lights, filters, camera and monitor used to see different parts of the spectrum of light to detect different things on the document.

12/22/08 report - she received 3 pieces of duct tape identified as Q62,63 and 64. She understood they came from the victim herself.

Her examination was to determine if she was able to detect a heart shaped sticker or any remnants of a sticker. She used the VSC - video spectrum comparator.

JB showed her Exhibit S-302 a photo.

The VSC has lights and filters and allows our eyes to see things not normally visible. Our eyes see at 400 to 700 nanometers - white if reflected, black if absorbed - colored if mixed. Ultra-violet is below 400 - infrared is above 700. Our eyes can't see it, but the VSC allows things to be seen.

With the naked eye these items looked the same. With the VSC, the page colors show one page is a different color.

S-302 is an example of shredded paper under every day light and then under VSC which shows some shred reacting differently. They can put shred back together and this machine helps with the sorting. The next example showed a document that had been cut. Regular light on right and VSC on left. VSC will help to put the papers back together. Next example was matches in a match book. The VSC allows them to match a match to a match book.

In this case she could not see any sticker or sticker fragment with the naked eye. She then used the VSC. Results - unable to detect any sticker or sticker residue on the duct tape.

She was asked, in this case, to submit a DNA sample. A month later she got a call from one of the analysts from the DNA unit stating they had an unknown profile on one of the pieces of tape and they were unable to eliminate it from anyone in their unit or the suspects. She gave her sample and later found out it was her profile on the duct tape.

Precautions when handling items is to wear gloves. She can't recall a situation where she might have contaminated the item. No idea or when. Items were in protective sleeves and she exercised great care.

4/2/09 report - (Stipulation that he will speak generally of the items - JA states they are in evidence that should probably be mentioned - JA seems to be schooling JB) She was given a number of different plastic and was asked to give an overall assessment of them as well as to compare some of them to other pieces of plastic. Some she could eliminate as having originated from one another and others she was unable to make a conclusion.

She was not able to match any of the plastics with the plastic bags found on Suburban Drive.

CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA:

She received the duct tape after the latent print had examined it.

Bags - she was given 5 bags from the A's and then compared them to 2 bags from the ME. She was also given 2 plastic bags that were known bags from the crime scene. She did this by comparing machine impressions and impurities in the bag. She was able to eliminate some and others were inconclusive.

No further questions by JA.

REDIRECT BY JB:

Regarding duct tape, DNA comparison from the "suspects" -

OBJECTION BY JA - SUSTAINED.

Witness Excused.

SIDEBAR #9