2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two)

[Tuffy]

The thing I am wondering about is something that was brought up by Dr. Drew last night. Why was the hair not tested for drug residue? Or was it and I don't remember?

Caylee's hair was tested for drugs, and none were found.

 

[QueenD]

I want to hear more about him saying he met Caylee...?

He kept mixing the names up. He was calling Caylee Casey and calling Casey Caylee. JA had to correct him several times.

 

[ohiogirl]

Amazing how a few short questions by JA can turn this witness from credible to kafuffle(?) Long list of credentilas and experience.
JA: Where is protocol that a skull must be opened?
long rambling non answer. no protocol exists.
Witness agrees to water in area. But, water did not have anything to do with stickiness on tape. However adipocere is sticky and in hair AND he knows this from only viewing picture of hair.
I could go on & on...but it is not worth my time nor these poor jurors to have to sit thru this nonsense.
Let's just end with a conspiracy theory.
Reasonable? ANY conjecture of doubt is NOT.
IMO

I'll be back later to read your insightful comments...and most likely be up until the wee hours of the morning once again! Read the thread...follow a link...end up in other threads...come back to today's thread...and round and round I go!

In the trial thread I had asked, but have not noted answer (just yet?)...Does anyone think it is possible that JB's antics of this AM (with the 1st witness and duct tape opinion not in depo) COULD be an extreme attempt at a mistrial? Meaning, forcing the judge to NOT allow the testimony which would result in 1) an incompetent defense, or 2) 'unfair' trial for (edit from ICS to ICA ?
TIA

I don't think so. I truly think he was trying to get in surprise testimony. Because death is different. jmo:seeya:

 

[CementPond]

I believe he just mixed up the names Casey and Caylee. And at one point when talking about what he knew about Caylee he said something like "just that she was a happy and healthy 3 year old." I think some may have thought they heard him say "just met a happy and healthy 3 year old." Just a misunderstanding in what was heard IMO.

I want to hear more about him saying he met Caylee...?

 

[RR0004]

The thing I am wondering about is something that was brought up by Dr. Drew last night. Why was the hair not tested for drug residue? Or was it and I don't remember?

I believe it was.
PS- chloroform would not stay in the system...or at least that's what I remember reading from here.

 

[ohiogirl]

Caylee's hair was tested for drugs, and none were found.

Thanks so much.:seeya:

 

[jon_burrows]

I read somewhere that ICA wanted Caylee's remains to be buried, not cremated. IMO if someone would have chosen cremation to "disappear" the remains for any possible future examination, it was her. JMO

It is my understanding ICA willingly gave her rights to her parents in regards to the burial -vs- cremation.

JB then held a presser about how his client did not want her cremated.

IMO, it was all smoke and mirrors. The defense (ICA included) wanted her cremated but they wanted to blame it on GA/CA. At that time GA/CA/LA were in full cover up mode for MOTY.

This isn't making much sense but in a nutshell, if ICA wanted Caylee to be buried she had to power to do so.

IMO

 

[Tuffy]

There was something about the lab...it's been so long...but I think by the time they got around to examining the remains thy had been sent to the funeral home.
Someone help me...didn't the DT want to be in on the autopsy?

They did the exam at the funeral home, I believe. But no matter where the exam was done, a sample could still have been sent to a lab.

Yes, the DT did want to be in on the autopsy. The autopsy was done on an unknown victim though. The DNA test had not been done yet, so it hadn't been determined that it was Caylee.

Could you imagine if the DT had been in on it, and it turned out not to be Caylee?

 

[RR0004]

BTW...Caylee's remains were x-rayed.

http://www.local10.com/news/18442821/detail.html

 

[Softail]

My DH has been a "mock" juror through most of this case. Before the trial started, he really didn't follow along, or pay much attention. He always thought there had to have been some type of an "accident". :banghead:

Since the trial has started, he has been "hooked" on it. Follows along as a good "mock juror" should.

His opinion has not only changed, that she is "GUILTY" beyond any reasonable doubt - He thinks she deserves the DP!

He is completely disgusted, as many of us are - At the sheer desperation of the DT, blaming anyone and everyone! He has even gone so far to say that pretty soon they will accuse random people on the street! This desperation says to him that she is so OBVIOUSLY guilty!! It is very disturbing!

 

[jon_burrows]

I believe it was.
PS- chloroform would not stay in the system...or at least that's what I remember reading from here.

I think Dr. G had a press conference to announce that it was Caylee's remains and the cause of death was homicide. She also said toxicology tests were being run but she didn't expect to get any real data from them due to the deterioration of the remains.

IMO

 

[pcrum12]

I think that the DT is just not good enough lawyers to get their witnesses to say what they want and bring out the gut of their testimony. This is just me thinking out loud here but why not just say hey you can not prove that the duct tape has anything to do with this case or if so in what capacity! You can not say that the mandible was only held in place by duct tape and not by plants. No different than you can't say that the body changing position wasn't due to water and wind from Fay. Or that you can't say that the sediment material inside the skull didn't move due to same. Although I would think that the Dr. would know the difference between brain residue and dirt. JMO

 

[RR0004]

They did the exam at the funeral home, I believe. But no matter where the exam was done, a sample could still have been sent to a lab.

Yes, the DT did want to be in on the autopsy. The autopsy was done on an unknown victim though. The DNA test had not been done yet, so it hadn't been determined that it was Caylee.

Could you imagine if the DT had been in on it, and it turned out not to be Caylee?

Yup...they had requested it, but it was denied by Judge S. for exactly the reason you gave...the body had yet to be identified.
Thanks, Tuffy!

 

[Boytwnmom]

Dr D has this thing about ICA giving her Xanax, which I understand as the Zanny street name correlation that had been discussed here a long time ago. I never thought she was giving her Xanax-it's fairly expensive as a street drug and not sure ICA would "waste" a good drug on little Caylee. As I recall she had made up the nanny's name quite a long time before and I don't think it had anything to do with Xanax. I don't doubt she would have been willing to drug her to sleep but I think she used cheaper alternatives like Benadryl or whatever else could be used.

I believe it was.
PS- chloroform would not stay in the system...or at least that's what I remember reading from here.

 

[21merc7]

I read somewhere that ICA wanted Caylee's remains to be buried, not cremated. IMO if someone would have chosen cremation to "disappear" the remains for any possible future examination, it was her. JMO

I always thought that statement was a collaboration between JB and KC. He knew what cremation meant for a trial or yet another autopsy. Both knew CA and GA did not have money for a burial, cremation is thousands of dollars cheaper.

It was a staged event.

 

[strawberry]

Dr. Spitz says every case is important because there is always someone who cares. Then he pulls someone's skull out of a duffle bag. :waitasec:

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Yikes, watching Dr. Spitz and Jeff Ashton go at it was like watching my grandfather and my father when they'd go round and round. The doctor could have been my grandfather when backed into a corner, screaming, scratching, and tossing out accusations. Not a pretty sight. :floorlaugh:

Not the doctor's most shining moment. :shakehead:

You've all said so much, I can't add any more right now. What a bloodbath! Shoddy autopsy. Dr. S cracked Caylee's skull. Didn't take any chemical tests. Accused "somebody" of duct taping a skull but also said there was no duct tape on the skull. The hair? If he's so smart, wouldn't he know how the hair would fall during decomposition? And how the hair would be if the skull was taped after decomp???

He couldn't have been just repeating a story someone else told to him, could he? No, he can't remember the name of the victim, the names of the family, the interviews he's done recently. No, that can't be it. :crazy:

 

[egnarts]

I don't think so. I truly think he was trying to get in surprise testimony. Because death is different. jmo:seeya:

For the record, you are replying to my question if JB's antics this AM were an extreme attempt for a mistrial. Thanks for the reply!
I don't understand what you mean by 'Because death is different.
Could you please explain?
TIA

...then I'll do my 'chores'!
xoxo

 

[Purple Iris]

IMO HHJP needs to stop blowing smoke and make good on all his threats.

To me, it was obvious that CM and JB don't believe he will follow through as they stood there and laughed openly when he said that.

The real problem is, as I see it, is that CM will retire when this is over, and, Baez never had any intentions of moving forward with his "career" when this wraps up.

Once he figured out he had the goose that laid the Golden Egg, and he started getting nationwide media attention, he set his sites on much bigger things than a legal career.
Just the fact that it took it so long to be admitted to the Florida tells me that his attitude was "well, if it pays off, great, if it doesn't, I can always do something else. This was a "get by" stop off for him that happened to pay off.

Course, that pay-off may not be quite what he had expected a couple of years ago, or, even 5 weeks ago now.

His rented office furniture will go back to the store with an unpaid balance, his borrowed law books from the library will be returned, and he'll try his hand as a paid talking head.
And, IMO, that gig won't last long either.

 

[RR0004]

It is my understanding ICA willingly gave her rights to her parents in regards to the burial -vs- cremation.

JB then held a presser about how his client did not want her cremated.

IMO, it was all smoke and mirrors. The defense (ICA included) wanted her cremated but they wanted to blame it on GA/CA. At that time GA/CA/LA were in full cover up mode for MOTY.

This isn't making much sense but in a nutshell, if ICA wanted Caylee to be buried she had to power to do so.

IMO

Yup...Casey wanted to be able to go visit Caylee's grave when she got out of jail.
Thank G-d I don't see that ever happening.