2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two)

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Not making excuses, but could they have not used a pool at one of the many boyfriends-du-jour's apartments? I guess it boils down to (for me) the science question of how much pool chlorine could... COULD parlay itself into a defense regarding the amount of chemical in th trunk?? (Forgive my syntax)

and not arguing -- just wondering. :-)


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Are we referring to Casey as ICA to distinguish from the other CAs? If so great, bc typing all the names over and over...


TIA ("thanks in advance")

(hee sidenote: I wrote that TIA thing once and there was this sweet poster man who thought I meant (no one here) Transient Ischemic Attack........ which may speak unfavorably to my posting articulation. :-)

:-)

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I know I was one of the first posters who started using it on WS. It was because ICA was being treated in the media as a "star" and after she became a convicted felon re the six cheque fraud convictions- we thought it appropriate to give her the respect she deserves - so she is known as Inmate Casey Anthony - or ICA.
 
:seeya: Concerned Papa. You may have missed the first line of my post you quoted. Copying it here: "I don't want ICA to get the DP but not because she doesn't deserve it. "

I do think she deserves the DP, however personally I would get far more satisfaction if she gets LWOP because I know it won't be a cake walk for her being in the GP. I'd like her to get the full experience of prison life and all that comes with it by being part of the GP. I probably can't be more specific about all that I would like her to experience in the GP without getting a TO, so I will refrain from additional detailed comment. :innocent:


Yes !! Because on Death Row she is once again separate from other prisoners, wears different colored uniform ect.. and on Death Row she would have yet another feather in her cap of being a celebrity..
 
I've been out of the country for 3 weeks and only could get HLN and clearly I missed all the good stuff. So my question is didn't the trip in KC's car to Fusion with KC's friends come up already when TL was answering questions. Tony was looking at the pictures and could tell what date they were taken by what he was wearing. And Friday nights are the only nights he was working the club. That leaves the 13th, 20th and 27th. KC's car was at Amscot on the 27th. Even by the 20th the car may not have started to smell that bad yet. But I though TL said he believed that was the night of June 13th and they all piled into KC's car. So how could these people be expected to smell something that was not there at the time? Plus if KC planned on going out with friends my guess is she would do what any normal person would do with friends in the backseat....remove the car seat and put it in the trunk.

If I heard it I'm sure JB heard it so why is he leading the jury to believe this happened right before KC ditched the car???? jmo
 
OK, if being drugged and duct-taped was even SEMI-regular occurence, I am certain Caylee would have found a way to express that to her doting grand parents. She was already able to say quite a few words in her 2nd year of life - she could have expressed her reticence in going with mommy at any point, even non-verbally. But as far as I know, Caylee was always happy to go along with mommy wherever she went.

And I brought this up before but I was wondering how chloroform is administered. If it's as I imagine it to be (a soaked rag forcefully applied to the airways) then I would wager that this was the first time KC did this to her child, and she did this with the aim of killing Caylee, because Caylee sure as heck would have remembered such a traumatic incident upon waking up. I hope to God Caylee was unconscious as she began to suffocate from the duct tape and didn't know what happened as she slipped away.
 
But what do the scientisits say about her being still alive when that happened? (the tape, the bag)

(the horror)

I mean how can it be reasonably proven given the condition of the remains?
 
I know I was one of the first posters who started using it on WS. It was because ICA was being treated in the media as a "star" and after she became a convicted felon re the six cheque fraud convictions- we thought it appropriate to give her the respect she deserves - so she is known as Inmate Casey Anthony - or ICA.


brilliant and deserving..
 
Not making excuses, but could they have not used a pool at one of the many boyfriends-du-jour's apartments? I guess it boils down to (for me) the science question of how much pool chlorine could... COULD parlay itself into a defense regarding the amount of chemical in th trunk?? (Forgive my syntax)

and not arguing -- just wondering. :-)


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No you are correct - Caylee did swim in TonE's pool - but remember Dr. Vass testimony that the chloroform was in such high amounts he had never seen before. This was not a little bit from a tiny bathing suit or two being dropped damp into the trunk of a car. There were startlingly high numbers months later when he tested the car trunk carpet.
 
Okay, so I left to go out of town Friday afternoon and had to read all of what was going on Friday and Saturday. Thanks to all who posted! I just watched the cross of the Bug Dude and Spitzer, I must say I am now in the category of loving JA! Couldn't quite see the appeal before, but his masterful annihilation of these two witness has made me a BIG fan!:blushing:
 
But what do the scientisits say about her being still alive when that happened? (the tape, the bag)

(the horror)

I mean how can it be reasonably proven given the condition of the remains?

According to Dr. G., the duct tape shows evidence of peri-mortem application. That is minutes before she died and decomposition began. And apparently decomp begins within ten minutes of death.

I feel certain the prosecution will bring this into evidence during the rebuttal part of the trial, when they are able to present additional evidence and witnesses to rebut the defence's evidence.

Kind of like kids who saved their best candy for the last.:great:
 
Me too! Fell off my seat when he said that... It tells me JA knows something... or they feel that is very possible.. what a horror!! wow..

IIRC, this scenario came out during cross of WS and/or the bug guy. I think JA raised it as a possibility in order to minimize any damage from the defense witnesses regarding the adipocere (sp?) and the trunk stain. Since KC will never, ever tell the truth about what happened, they might as well cover all the bases. :cow:
 
According to Dr. G., the duct tape shows evidence of peri-mortem application. That is minutes before she died and decomposition began. And apparently decomp begins within ten minutes of death.

I feel certain the prosecution will bring this into evidence during the rebuttal part of the trial, when they are able to present additional evidence and witnesses to rebut the defence's evidence.

Kind of like kids who saved their best candy for the last.:great:

Didn't Dr. G also state Caylee died from the chloroform, duct tape over her mouth and nose or suffication from being inside 2 black trash bags?
 
Well, the hair of Cayley's found in the trunk had the death band on it. The hairs found stuck to the duct tape did not. You do the math...

Ok THIS got my attention

(Ok I admit Im painfully forensics' centric)

Please tell me about the death band.

TIA

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Didn't Dr. G also state Caylee died from the chloroform, duct tape over her mouth and nose or suffication from being inside 2 black trash bags?

:seeya: Hi Lambchop. IIRC, Dr. G could not list the cause of death...only the manner of death. I believe she listed it as Homicide by Undetermined Means.

ETA: Here is the link to the autopsy report. The report is graphic so you may not want to read it all but the summary is on page 1.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf
 
Didn't Dr. G also state Caylee died from the chloroform, duct tape over her mouth and nose or suffication from being inside 2 black trash bags?
I flove me some Dr.G (if it's the one with the show)

I wish I had her (if it is her of whom we're speaking) I wish I had the testimony handy to hear on what these assertions are based.

Now my attention is grabbed. This sounds MAJOR.

jus sayin.

And if I have to stand corrected Im ok with that. Not the first time I've been wrong :-) wont be the last.

Im a lotta things, but thank goodness I'm not into being "right."

I need to hear more or go do some searching for clips and catch the heck up.


You guys are awesome BTW
 
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No worries, I never get upset here:) Everyone here seems like a genuinely good person....even when we may disagree.....and they're wrong :crazy:

BBM :floorlaugh: All's good. :blowkiss: Back at you!
 
Is Casey worse than:

Richard Adams, the Lake County father of 8-year-old Kayla?

Eric Patrick Fletcher shook his baby to death in Port St. Lucie. He got less than five years.

Michael Dubisky left his 4-month-old son blind, suffering from cerebral palsy, seizures and other problems. The boy died six years later. Dubisky left prison shortly thereafter.

Alexandra Tobias of Jacksonville shook her baby to death for interrupting her on a computer game. She got 50 years.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...1598783.column


Reading this article(in Today's News WS) made my heart beat fast and my palms sweat. :dunno: I think it is the reaction my body has because I do take it seriously we are talking about the death penalty.

They had me(my guilt at my recent change of mind about Casey getting the death penalty causes me to flip flop)when they start saying maybe giving anyone the death penalty is not the best idea. I admit my personal beliefs are the reason for that, I don't want to say religious reasons but it would be fair if someone else said that...

The question is, is Casey Anthony any worse than...these monsters? Wow, that sounds like some good ole fashioned Anthony logic. We know Casey is a monster who murdered her daughter and threw her away where people put trash, but "boo hoo" she isn't any worse than THESE monsters and THEY didn't get put to DEATH!

Insanity! When I worry that someone may be innocent(not not guilty but innocent)of a crime and put to death-that is literally what I am worried about. A truly innocent person put to death but I do not believe that is what the evidence shows in this case. If innocent people are being put to death, I say if only because I have zero knowledge of that subject, isn't that a big deal for a lot of people who know about it? What I mean is what can you do about a whole system(where ever this happens)that must have been hell bent on getting a totally innocent person all the way to their death by the hands of the state...? I mean if there is something to be done, it would have to be done by those more than work a day people, right?

I never understand these types of issues from an adult perspective. My mind works like a child when I hear that innocent people are put to death. "Why doesn't the president do something about that? Can't their family call the president and ask for help? Wouldn't the family and someone important see that this person was innocent and help? Why would everyone allow or some people allow a good and innocent person to go to their death?" Mind you I am aware of racism and other factors of history and society where such a thing was VERY common and all too true: but I would be speaking of the last twenty five years or so...

IMHO: Casey is guilty and she has been afforded every chance to show that she is innocent. Her rights have been guarded over the rights of Amy H, Vasco T., Zenaida Gonzalez, etc. All in the name of making sure everything is done right for Casey, the accused. And yet, we can have innocent people who are being put to death? Again, I am not saying it isn't true but that it is a issue of apples and oranges to a degree: the fact that some innocent people are put to death has nothing to do with the idea that Casey could be put to death for being found guilty.

Having said all that, I do believe an advanced society does not have the death penalty. But, I do not believe our society has advanced to that degree, at least here in the United States. I know there are other countries that do not have the death penalty and I am glad because, again I hope humanity is headed that-a-way...I believe advancements in mental health and the understanding of genetic factors(DNA)will help humanity to rid the need for a death penalty and in my dreams of a future world without crime of any kind. :blowkiss: :earth:

but right here and right now, in this case, for the argument that Casey should not be put to death because she is no worse than other people that have brutally murdered their children does not work for me. It makes me wonder why the system failed to rid our world of such cruelty. I do not enjoy feeling this way but an article like that more convinces me that not only should Casey be given the death penalty but we should also go back and correct those other mistakes. :innocent:

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:seeya: Hi Lambchop. IIRC, Dr. G could not list the cause of death...only the manner of death. I believe she listed it as Homicide by Undetermined Means.

Ok see? That makes a tremendous difference (to me)

I just now saw this post/ read this. I should have edited to add it to my previous post where it would have fit in context. But I gather that all you guys get the idea.. so....

yes, the words distinguish something... still looking for testimony.

I'm leaning toward homicide. Altho at times, I've pondered accident-gone-wrong, but that depends on the nature of the "accident" ...

...meaning that a swimming/drowning accident, for example, (imo) is vastly different morally, legally, in the eyes of God, than an "accident" that goes wrong when one sedates their child in a cartrunk for baysittinh/partying convenience. (horror) and it kills me to type those words.
 
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No worries, I never get upset here:) Everyone here seems like a genuinely good person....even when we may disagree.....and they're wrong :crazy:

:wave: Linda7NJ :tyou:

I am so glad I am never wrong...can you imagine? :lol: Oh, I have gotten upset and made such a :butthead: of myself... :tsktsk: and if I get too upset about what someone has said it just takes a little while before I realize I need to get a grip... :yes: And even not agreeing with some people, I wouldn't want to have to experience this trial without being a part of WS. (awww)

:blowkiss: WS
 
I hope you didn't take my post as a criticism because it wasn't meant that way.


Respectfully snipped some.

No, no...not at all. And, sorry if my response sounded somewhat defensive. That wasn't my intention either.

Was only trying to clarify some of my thoughts in the original post.
 
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