2011.08.05 Hearing on Casey's probation

[LambChop]

But I thought this was a break that Perry gave her a sentencing? I remember at sentencing the insession group discussing this;saying even though he gave her the max consecutive sentences for the lying, he could have made it wore by not allowing the time served for the previous conviction. IOW< isn't this up to the court's discretion?

But if they are two separate crimes done at two different times and unrelated to one another how can you get credit for the sentence you already served and received probation credit for. If the judge sentenced her to time served since January 2010 wouldn't that cancel out her probationary period and she would still fall under the probationary rules. If JP were to give her credit for a year's probation she would only have served 6 months on her charges of lying and by-the-way, who is already a convicted felon.

It appears it should be either/or but not credit for both. I don't know. I think if I had been JB I would have had her agree to the probation because this appears to have opened up a can of worms. The judge has to get it right because future cases will probably depend on how he rules. Good thing he has his hair cut short....lol jmo

 

[JBean]

I think if that's the case...and he was aware...he needs come out and be clear about it. I personally don't think it's in keeping with the original intent of JS's order, though.

How so? or are you referring to the probation? IOW,how could JS have had any intent on how JP would sentence?I concur that the intent of the probation was not carried out,but that is not JP's doing.
I am trying to understand all the arguments more clearly.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Should the judge decide to seal that bit of info ,in order to protect her,I will be royally pizzed.The public needs to know where she is so they can be protected from HER :maddening: When she gets a job (which should be a requirement of her probation) whoever hires her has a right to know she is a felon.

Unfortunately he probably will. ICA is different. Laws and rules are changed as needed so to not inconvenience her. Her right to hide outweighs the public's right to know when felons are on the loose.
She should have to face public scorn. She earned it..

 

[Searchfortruth]

I don't think that JP can reverse any part of his sentence. The only potential correction lies with Judge Strickland's probation order, which Judge Perry now has to rule on.

 

[EPfan]

Should the judge decide to seal that bit of info ,in order to protect her,I will be royally pizzed.The public needs to know where she is so they can be protected from HER :maddening: When she gets a job (which should be a requirement of her probation) whoever hires her has a right to know she is a felon.

Most places, businesses, government, require you to disclose if you are a felon, and state why and where you were found guilty, as part of your application.

As far as the public needing to know where she is, I don't agree because she is a felon because of stolen checks, or money issues. In the laws eyes, she was found, Not Guilty, of the criminal charges, so she wouldn't be a criminal threat to society.
jmoo

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think the public knows the address of every person who has been convicted of fraud-related felonies, or other non-violent crimes. It would be a long list, I imagine. Like it or not, Casey can't be treated by the law as a RSO or a recently-freed murderer.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

..that is interesting "twiggles".

..good catch.

..this is "exhibit D" that cheney attached to his "emergency motion to quash......." judgeS's amended order.

..how could the Jan.25/2011 letter of termination (clearly a form letter) be the 'original'------if it includes that reference to "see attached----a form that was last updated March 25/2011" ( a date in the future). ??

http://www.cfnews13.com/static/arti...yAnthony-Emergency-Motion-for-Hearing0802.pdf
---emergency motion to quash ...

.."exhibit C" was apparently the request for all of the probation records, which included this "letter of termination" from kc's probation officer natalie lewis, DOC.

..did natalie lewis fill in and send cheney a copy of a current termination form letter ( that is filled in adressed to Ms.Casey, and not Ms.Anthony ) that they use, and just date it appropriatley back to january? (to cover herself?)
..if so, where's the original? ( was there an original?)

..aside from going out for the initial visit, informing kc of the condition (singular)-- (1.no contact with the victim amy) did she do anything on this probation case?-----until cheney asked for a copy of her file ( which she then threw together.)

..this is laughable----"The probationary term ran 1 year, included an initial interview, supervision orders, review of the case, several residence verifications, and ultimately a termination dated jan.24/2011."

..tough probation! while in jail-----and protective custody.
..natalie lewis had an easy-breezy assignment too.

..i do wonder about the termination form --the march/2011 update should not be on a january/2011 form ( unless someone is psychic.)

( or maybe i've become so cynical, that i see something related to the defense----ANY of them---and i'm immediatley skeptical that it's on the up-and-up? )

That is a disgrace and so intellectually dishonest. "residence verification"? Really?

 

[laurvelous]

This would be a mistake by JP, if there is an error. I believe JP had to do what he did because KC was sentenced, time served and an amount of days wasn't established. Therefore, who knows what Time Served was because the people involved didn't see KC going free. I don't think anything will be different about the days in jail. I think the problem is just about the probation now. It will be interesting what JP decides. I may be surprised but I really don't think KC will be punished for a mistake by the probation office. The State had to have known that KC was visited by a probation officer because they read all mail and monitored all visitation and reviewed the tapes. The state took for granted that KC was going to be found guilty, so at the time is wasn't important to them.

Sure, they knew her probation officer visited her once but how were they to know that meant she was serving it in jail? Now if her PO visited once a month I could agree that they "had to know" but they may have just assumes her PO came to meet with her once to explain the terms of her probation ONCE SHE WAS RELEASED. They had no way of knowing she was checking the jail database every month and ticking it off their list.

 

[logicalgirl]

But I thought this was a break that Perry gave her a sentencing? I remember at sentencing the insession group discussing this;saying even though he gave her the max consecutive sentences for the lying, he could have made it wore by not allowing the time served for the previous conviction. IOW< isn't this up to the court's discretion?

Hmm - my understanding was he was giving her a break for being in protective custody and a break for "good" behavior...

IMO he was twice given inaccurate information from the OC/DOC on the day of her sentencing.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

THAT is EXACTLY what i think he will do.............the DT kept stressing she did her probation.........she did her probation..............and JP even said YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TO.

Accordingly, her arse will be back in jail for the remainder of time that needs to be served for her lying convictions.

Of course, this was my most recent dream re this case.............lol

In addition, NOW they should adjudicate the remaining charges and tack on that time too! In GENERAL POPULATION OF COURSE!!!. :crazy:

In reality, probation may actually HELP her readjust to society by forcing her to get a job and experience real life. I don't care what happens to her, but from the DT standpoint it seems like they should realize that and not fight it so hard. Probation may do for her what her family never did. (Again, I hold out NO hope for her, but just sayin')

 

[MissJames]

Most places, businesses, government, require you to disclose if you are a felon, and state why and where you were found guilty, as part of your application.

As far as the public needing to know where she is, I don't agree because she is a felon because of stolen checks, or money issues. In the laws eyes, she was found, Not Guilty, of the criminal charges, so she wouldn't be a criminal threat to society.
jmoo

So with her job applications she will also have to state her address.What's to stop anyone from publicizing that info? There are plenty of public records that can be found with individuals addresses. Even parking tickets.

 

[rossva]

The entire Anthony trial generated way more income for Orange County and Orlando than it cost the taxpayers. The media exposure alone was worth millions to the tourism for the area. Furthermore the reality of the situation is the trial is making Orlando lots of money. Over 300 news outlets are camped out in the downtown area filling high end hotel rooms and eating at expensive restaurants. That doesn't count those who visited downtown to get a sneak peak at the trial action. It's like being the city hosting the Superbowl 75 days in a row.


http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/entrepreneurs/2011/06/24/cashing-in-on-casey-anthony-trial/

With the criminal record KC has with the State of Florida, not much doubt in my mind, she will want to stay away as much as possible but,.......it doesn't leave her any less responsible for the astronomical cost(s) she has incurred to the Florida taxpayers (already in a budget crunch and cutting costs everywhere) or to organizations like TES. If she's going to make the money after declaring indigency, she can pay her bills, just like the rest of us and doesn't have to ever step foot in Florida again.

 

[MissJames]

Sure, they knew her probation officer visited her once but how were they to know that meant she was serving it in jail? Now if her PO visited once a month I could agree that they "had to know" but they may have just assumes her PO came to meet with her once to explain the terms of her probation ONCE SHE WAS RELEASED. They had no way of knowing she was checking the jail database every month and ticking it off their list.

FG said he did not know Casey was serving probation in jail and that he was unaware of anyone in his office being notified. LDB was sitting right there .The DT could have asked her if she knew. I actually believe she is ethical and would have interjected if she knew ,to set the record straight.

 

[logicalgirl]

Most places, businesses, government, require you to disclose if you are a felon, and state why and where you were found guilty, as part of your application.

As far as the public needing to know where she is, I don't agree because she is a felon because of stolen checks, or money issues. In the laws eyes, she was found, Not Guilty, of the criminal charges, so she wouldn't be a criminal threat to society.
jmoo

Apparently Ms Anthony is a liar, a habitual liar, in her own words "a great liar", and someone who lies even when she doesn't need too.

Apparently also, Ms Anthony experienced two miracles of truth during her trial, when she stated via her attorney that her child drowned, and when she said her father had sexually abused her.

Since she is a habitual liar, I think the good people of Florida have good reason to want to know where she is, since it is unlikely miracles will again bless her in the future. Plus, an individual who has four convictions of lying to LE, and thirteen check fraud felon convictions will most likely if the states about criminals are even close to being true, will not have experienced her "come to Jesus" moment, and will continue to escalate her activities.

Particularly in light of her new ability to lie and have people believe her. After all, those who support the NG verdict have in fact given her your blessing to carry on, rather than any kind of deterrent that would influence change.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I don't think the public knows the address of every person who has been convicted of fraud-related felonies, or other non-violent crimes. It would be a long list, I imagine. Like it or not, Casey can't be treated by the law as a RSO or a recently-freed murderer.

In Florida, every offender under DOC supervision (parole, probation and prison) has their address, mug shot, birth date, and offense listed on the public DOC website. It will be interesting to see if the DOC lists Casey's address (if she is placed on probation), like they do for every other offender.

 

[MissJames]

In reality, probation may actually HELP her readjust to society by forcing her to get a job and experience real life. I don't care what happens to her, but from the DT standpoint it seems like they should realize that and not fight it so hard. Probation may do for her what her family never did. (Again, I hold out NO hope for her, but just sayin')

I suspect the DT realizes Casey is incapable of staying clean and employed for a year. Her only real job skills are lying and stealing. She would make a good hostess at a restaurant as long as no one ticks her off.

 

[logicalgirl]

The entire Anthony trial generated way more income for Orange County and Orlando than it cost the taxpayers. The media exposure alone was worth millions to the tourism for the area. Furthermore the reality of the situation is the trial is making Orlando lots of money. Over 300 news outlets are camped out in the downtown area filling high end hotel rooms and eating at expensive restaurants. That doesn't count those who visited downtown to get a sneak peak at the trial action. It's like being the city hosting the Superbowl 75 days in a row.


http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/entrepreneurs/2011/06/24/cashing-in-on-casey-anthony-trial/

Why do I have the feeling that the good Judge who manages the budgets for these areas could care less how much Orange County and Orlando made in profits? A defendant and her DT just wasted thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars that should have gone to other cases, just because the defendant is a habitual liar and her Defense Lawyer liked the media spotlight.

 

[RR0004]

How so? or are you referring to the probation? IOW,how could JS have had any intent on how JP would sentence?I concur that the intent of the probation was not carried out,but that is not JP's doing.
I am trying to understand all the arguments more clearly.

That it wasn't to run concurrently but rather upon release.

 

[MissJames]

In Florida, every offender under DOC supervision (parole, probation and prison) has their address, mug shot, birth date, and offense listed on the public DOC website. It will be interesting to see if the DOC lists Casey's address (if she is placed on probation), like they do for every other offender.

Thank you for replying with actual facts. I should apologize for simply stating my opinions when facts are sorely needed in this discussion.

 

[Searchfortruth]

In reality, probation may actually HELP her readjust to society by forcing her to get a job and experience real life. I don't care what happens to her, but from the DT standpoint it seems like they should realize that and not fight it so hard. Probation may do for her what her family never did. (Again, I hold out NO hope for her, but just sayin')

I agree. Casey did her jail time pretty well, I think that abiding by probation rules (job, PO meetings at their request, etc...) would be a far greater challenge. Personally, I'd be very surprised if she makes it without violating.