2011.10.11 - Nancy Grace Highlights Lisa Irwin Case

[~n/t~]

The homeless handyman creeps me out because it's very much like the Elizabeth Smart case.

That guy came into a house that was absolutely full of people, into a bedroom with another young girl, and got Elizabeth out of the house and kept her quite nearby in the woods with searchers right nearby. In this case, an advantage might be that a younger child would be harder to threaten and more likely just to cry - unless she was drugged.

But the possibility of someone who was watching the house and waiting is real to me.

Also, I think people overstate the whole "whoever it was knew the layout" thing. Frankly, the house isn't that large and there aren't that many possibilities about where the bedrooms would be. Anyone watching the house could figure out where the kitchen is, bedrooms, etc. As someone noted upthread, even a juvenile burglar, really anyone who's been in a few homes, can be in and out in no time.

What would he want with a 10 month old baby though? ES's kidnapper had a motive. He wanted a sister wife.

A homeless guy? I'm guessing he'd probably go for food, money or anything else but not a baby, imo.

 

[panthera]

:seeya:

NG is discussing Lisa's disappearance again tonight.

(Didn't see the need for a new thread with only 61 posts up until now!)

 

[panthera]

NG discussing the case with Marc Klaas.

He is relating his opinion on how he can believe DB could have slept through an abduction since Polly's mother also slept through it when Polly was abducted.

NG has store employee on the phone re: surveillance video. NG discussing DB's trip to the grocery store with the "mystery man".

Now going over the timeline with a reporter.

 

[Patty G]

Store clerk: There were two separate purchases; wine and then baby food and baby wipes. Bet that wine was for the young man with her.

Store clerk states: Has seen the man with the mother as well as the father.

 

[Guardian_Angel]

I agree, its a small house and anyone can guess the layout of the home. Assuming there were three bedrooms, and apparently the doors are always closed when they go to bed, how would the so called intruder know which door Baby Lisa was sleeping in?

Lets say he/she took a good guess and opened Lisa's bedroom, snatched her and left. Did they turn on the lights on the way out? Or lets say they opened the boy's bedroom door first, noticed there wasn't a crib, quietly shut it and went to door number 2?

I can't get the fact out of my head that the lights were all on, or most of them, and IMO the intruder got lucky and opened the correct door with Lisa sleeping in her crib.

IMO it has to be someone who knew exactly where she was, but I still don't have a theory as to why an intruder would turn on any lights.

 

[panthera]

NG showing surveillance video and going over the store purchases again with store employee. She is relating she believes the "mystery man" is a close friend of the family; she has seen him before. Bought baby items and wine separately.

More with reporter. He's saying they were in the store for approx. 6 minutes. He's saying that DB didn't always go to store with children; wasn't uncommon for her not to have them with her. Believes that evening children and baby were home with JI when she was at the store. DB and JI lives in a friendly, working-class neighborhood.

 

[Guardian_Angel]

Do they mean they were together when she bought baby items first then the wine?

 

[panthera]

NG asking show producer about the front door: unlocked or open? It was unlocked. Goes on to relate cell phones also missing.

NG talking with Marc again about the lights being on, door unlocked, window open, cell phones being taken. MK answers why bother with the window if the door was unlocked. Saying whoever did this knew the house.

 

[panthera]

Do they mean they were together when she bought baby items first then the wine?

I didn't quite understand that. On the surveillance video, however, they are together in the aisle presumably selecting the wine.

:waitasec:

 

[Patty G]

Do they mean they were together when she bought baby items first then the wine?

This store has wine and baby food/wipes. All items brought up to the register, however, wine was rung up separate from the baby food/wipes.

In fact, if you look closely at the check-out, it appears Debbie handed the young man something, of which, IMO, was the change from the purchase of the wine.

 

[GourmetSoy]

So what I'm getting from the 2 seperate purchases is that the young man with her is likely underage and she's buying it for him. One transaction she uses his money and buys the wine, give him the change and then she then purchases the baby food and wipes herself.

 

[ynotdivein]

Just jumping off your post. If anyone knows.. Do we know anything about his ex? She lost custody of the son? Is that a fact? If she did, why? Where does she live? Are we allowed to ask these questions?

I'm with you. If it's an abduction by a scorned ex, his ex is most likely than her ex.

Please refrain from any sleuthing of JI's ex (or DB's for that matter) as yet. Neither has been identified/indicated in any way in MSM.

 

[Patty G]

UGH! As I listen to the show.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Could it be she used WIC vouchers for the babyfood & wipes? I don't know how that works. Just something that occurred to me. Otherwise, I'd assume it's b/c she's buying the wine for an underage kid (do they not card the person w/you when you buy alcohol, esp when you ring it separately?).

 

[panthera]

NG now discussing with legal panel the polygraph, cooperating/not cooperating with LE, parents taking a break.......

Former LE chief opining what LE will do to investigate the "crime scene".

NG can't understand parents "taking a break" from searching when your child is missing.

Caller is saying boys are old enough to talk; asking about the wine and how much they had drunk. Reporter is saying LE won't comment on the evidence; surveillance video could be a red-herring.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

So what I'm getting from the 2 seperate purchases is that the young man with her is likely underage and she's buying it for him. One transaction she uses his money and buys the wine, give him the change and then she then purchases the baby food and wipes herself.

Maybe a little quid pro quo? Kinda like - I'll drive ya to the store if you buy me a box of wine type deal?

 

[panthera]

Could it be she used WIC vouchers for the babyfood & wipes? I don't know how that works. Just something that occurred to me. Otherwise, I'd assume it's b/c she's buying the wine for an underage kid (do they not card the person w/you when you buy alcohol, esp when you ring it separately?).

Just out of curiosity, what is the legal age to purchase alcohol in MO?

 

[luckyme]

Just out of curiosity, what is the legal age to purchase alcohol in MO?

21!!!

 

[jjenny]

Just out of curiosity, what is the legal age to purchase alcohol in MO?

Has to be the same as everywhere in the country-21.

 

[GourmetSoy]

My feeling is that if she bought baby food and wipes just hours before Lisa went missing, that whatever happened to her wasn't planned. This one piece of info has changed my view of her somewhat.


This is the only info I've seen that gave any kind of clue so far. Everything else is confusing.