2012.05.17 Doc Dump Thread

[BiancaS]

On page 17 of the police information....it CLEARLY states that the headphones were found ON THE GROUND NEAR THE VICTIM.

They also say the photo button was in the pocket, but GZ even admits that he saw him wearing a button on the 911 call. How did it get in his pocket??

 

[saguaro]

How about that page 40 where the investigators received a copy of Mr. Zimmerman's medical report (faxed by his doctor) on 3/9/12. Didn't Investigator Gilbreath say he didn't have the records? Hmm.

Oh dear.

 

[elementary]

There was a report that there was not a live round in the chamber, which had us speculating what would've caused that. I stated that I would look at Mr. Martin's hands to see if he had injury from the slide when the gun went off. Now that we know there's no injury on the hand it was puzzling to me. Now we know why there wasn't an injury - the report was wrong, there WAS a live round in the chamber.

Oh okay. Thanks. What are the implications of a live round in the chamber as opposed to not? Did I miss the thread on this? (Frankly, I haven't been interested in the gun thing until the reports came out.)

 

[beach]

Dr. Drew on HLN says the amount of THC in Trayvon's system is so low that it means 'almost nothing'.

Dr Drew Pinsky on HLN said that the level of THC means almost nothing. He could have smoked a couple of hours before or a couple of days. It's not going to make you aggressive.

My reaction is, wow, imagine if you were stoned and GZ stalked you and then you have to defend yourself.

Also, in the first reports that I read, GZ is described at 200lbs, which would make him 40lbs heavier than Trayvon.

Martin Savidge on the same show said they checked with a medical professional to get an idea of the amount and how it might impair him (given in nanograms...can't recall the exact amount but it is in the docs)

He said according to medical marijuana standards - it was 'right on the line' with what is the legal standard with being impaired to drive a vehicle.

Hey, I don't make too much of a 17 yr. old kid who has smoked a few joints...HOWEVER, what I want to know is how long ago this marijuana had been ingested. IOW, if the level was high enough to be 'right on the line' to be considered legally imparied to operate a vehicle, then I would think it had to be fairly recent. Not a week ago, kwim? I don't know... here to learn.

Please don't attack or misinterpret my reason for asking this. My MAIN reason is if it was very recent, that means he smoked since he had been visiting his dad. That leads me to wonder where the heck he got it considering his hometown and any connections were far away. Or maybe he brought it with him? I dunno.

 

[Elley Mae]

Crime scene photos:

http://www.wesh.com/r-slideshow/31079394/detail.html

Thanks, page 54 of 67 iirc that would be "john's" window up though the branches of the tree. correct me if I am wrong.

 

[BiancaS]

There was a report that there was not a live round in the chamber, which had us speculating what would've caused that. I stated that I would look at Mr. Martin's hands to see if he had injury from the slide when the gun went off. Now that we know there's no injury on the hand it was puzzling to me. Now we know why there wasn't an injury - the report was wrong, there WAS a live round in the chamber.

Sorry if I am misunderstanding, I know nothing about guns, but are you saying you think Trayvon shot HIMSELF??

 

[cityslick]

Page 37

When he investigated, he witnessed a black male, wearing a dark colored hoodie, on top of a white or hispanic male throwing punches 'MMA' style.


I'm guessing this is 'John'.

I'm still getting over an investigator telling a witness to calm down because the screams they heard didn't come from the guy who died.

 

[BiancaS]

Martin Savidge on the same show said they checked with a medical professional to get an idea of the amount and how it might impair him (given in nanograms...can't recall the exact amount but it is in the docs)

He said according to medical marijuana standards - it was 'right on the line' with what is the legal standard with being impaired to drive a vehicle.

Hey, I don't make too much of a 17 yr. old kid who has smoked a few joints...HOWEVER, what I want to know is how long ago this marijuana had been ingested. IOW, if the level was high enough to be 'right on the line' to be considered legally imparied to operate a vehicle, then I would think it had to be fairly recent. Not a week ago, kwim? I don't know... here to learn.

Please don't attack or misinterpret my reason for asking this. My MAIN reason is if it was very recent, that means he smoked since he had been visiting his dad. That leads me to wonder where the heck he got it considering his hometown and any connections were far away. Or maybe he brought it with him? I dunno.

Could possibly have brought it with him, they drove from Miami, did not fly. If it was recent, based on what Dr. Drew said that may not be the case and Dr. Drew knows drugs!! As they also said on Dr. Drew, and I am not even close to the exact words, better to be around someone that smoked pot rather than someone that had a few drinks (as in pot makes you mellow, not agitated). Kids smoke pot, even my perfect children do that!! Although at 21 and 28, they are no longer "children." They find no reason no hide that from me, although it is illegal, it is pretty much what kids do. As well as a whole lot of adults.

 

[AJ Noiter]

Sorry if I am misunderstanding, I know nothing about guns, but are you saying you think Trayvon shot HIMSELF??

No. With semi-automatic (such as the one Mr. Zimmerman owned) and automatic weapons, you do not have to manually load the next round - the gun will do it automatically. The report stated that there was not a live round in the chamber, which had us asking "why not?" One reason would be that the slide was obstructed for some reason - which led myself and many others to believe that Mr. Martin's hand WOULD have some kind of injury from where he would have been grabbing the weapon. It turns out Mr. Martin didn't have a wound to his hand, which made me (and possibly others) rethink the scenario. Now that we know there WAS a new live round in the chamber there is no need to rethink the scenario. Everything happened as it should have, as far as the functioning of gun being fired is concerned.

 

[Elley Mae]

I saw that a 7-11 red lighter was also on TM's in pocket

page 82/ 183

 

[Reader]

This has been explained away many times. They put that information at the top (charge and statutes) regardless of whether they press charges or not. It -is- manslaughter, but it was deemed to be "justifiable manslaughter" by the detective who wrote the report.

Not so...Chris Serino on p.44 recommends a capias against GZ for manslaughter and forwarded this and evidence to the SA.

 

[cityslick]

So, two different witnesses who actually saw the struggle before the shot happened pretty much describe GZ being on the bottom getting beat up.

 

[BiancaS]

Perhaps TM was suffering from THC abstinence symptoms.

"Abstinence following daily marijuana use can produce a withdrawal syndrome characterized by negative mood (eg irritability, anxiety, misery), muscle pain, chills, and decreased food intake."

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v29/n1/full/1300310a.html

IMO

Where did we hear that Trayvon had any of these symptoms? I don't think he would have made the trek to 7-11 for snacks if he was not feeling well. And if he had it in his bloodstream, he was not abstaining, IMO.

 

[rossva]

It's PROOF Martin was predisposed to break the law.

But it could have been from days before, so it really means nothing in relation to this situation. MOO.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Has anyone come across the part where the witness possibly "John" saw GZ standing over TM and talking to someone with a flashlight after the shot?

I just saw that on a news report, I haven't seen it in the doc dump myself.

 

[elementary]

Martin Savidge on the same show said they checked with a medical professional to get an idea of the amount and how it might impair him (given in nanograms...can't recall the exact amount but it is in the docs)

He said according to medical marijuana standards - it was 'right on the line' with what is the legal standard with being impaired to drive a vehicle.

Hey, I don't make too much of a 17 yr. old kid who has smoked a few joints...HOWEVER, what I want to know is how long ago this marijuana had been ingested. IOW, if the level was high enough to be 'right on the line' to be considered legally imparied to operate a vehicle, then I would think it had to be fairly recent. Not a week ago, kwim? I don't know... here to learn.

Please don't attack or misinterpret my reason for asking this. My MAIN reason is if it was very recent, that means he smoked since he had been visiting his dad. That leads me to wonder where the heck he got it considering his hometown and any connections were far away. Or maybe he brought it with him? I dunno.

AS I mentioned upthread, Trayvon had only 1.5 to 2 nanograms in his blood. Pinsky said that if he had been smoking at the time, it would be 100. It's possible, he also said, that he smoked it 2 hours ago. But possibly days ago as well.

 

[cityslick]

AS I mentioned upthread, Trayvon had only 1.5 to 2 nanograms in his blood. Pinsky said that if he had been smoking at the time, it would be 100. It's possible, he also said, that he smoked it 2 hours ago. But possibly days ago as well.

Can you still be 'barely on the legal line for driving' by smoking two days ago?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It's PROOF Martin was predisposed to break the law.

Well.

I wonder how many posters here have ever broken the speed limit.

It is, after all, the law.

So any posters who have done so must be predisposed to break the law, according to this logic.

JMO of course.

 

[vlpate]

But it could have been from days before, so it really means nothing in relation to this situation. MOO.

If you will research the amounts found in his system, you will see that the levels were from that day.

 

[BiancaS]

JVM just showed photos of the nose at the police station, looked NOTHING like the black and white one that we saw. And the head one did not look like the other leaked one. What's up with this and why does someone feel like they have to make things look worse if they are genuine injuries??? MOO.