2012.2.7-Susan's case now being considered a murder investigation*SEARCH WARRANT*

[Melanie]

bbm
How can they file charges on a dead person?:waitasec:

Sorry but this news isn't making me feel any better. Actually, it's quite infuriarting that they are now considering this a murder investigation. They didn't need a body if they had evidence.

Amen. 2 little boys dead and NOW they want to serve a search warrant?

pffffttttt....

MOO

Mel

 

[passionflower]

To be perfectly honest, what difference does it even make now if they consider it a murder case or not?

IMO, for the COX family to know the truth what happened to their daughter.
IMO, Susan never left her home, her children on purpose.
IMO, to clear up everything and have closure.
JMOO

 

[LadyL]

does anyone else think he blew the money up with him?

if he actually gave it to someone, like a relative, then that person had to know something was up ... unless he told them some bogus story

 

[indicat]

To be perfectly honest, what difference does it even make now if they consider it a murder case or not?

I dont really know except if I hear no body, no cause of death again I think Ill go insane. Even now its just more of the same and frankly I think the stuff about an arrest was coming is bull, I feel very jerked around.

 

[indicat]

IMO, for the COX family to know the truth what happened to their daughter.
IMO, Susan never left her home, her children on purpose.
IMO, to clear up everything and have closure.
JMOO

Yes! Thank you!

 

[CherBearSTL]

Maybe the $7k was for funeral expenses. Maybe he hid it and then told the people he emailed where to find it. Just a thought.

 

[indicat]

Maybe the $7k was for funeral expenses. Maybe he hid it and then told the people he emailed where to find it. Just a thought.

I highly doubt Josh cared to help the Coxes with the expense whome he had to know would be in charge of burying the boys. Somehow I think he got it to his brother or sister, maybe for his dad.

They did announce the funeral will be at an LDS Ward Saturday.

 

[Kimster]

I didn't see where anyone asked this question, but perhaps I overlooked it.

Do we know how JP had that much money? Could afford a rental? Did he have a job?

 

[mysteriew]

I can't help but think that they won't find anything in the storage unit related to Susan. They may find and child , but it is a little late for that.

I think the only way they will ever find Susan's body now is by accident or if some of his family talks. I think they all know, and don't want to admit.

 

[AliVada]

If they had any life policies if he is convicted in any and all of their deaths then none of his beneficiaries of his estate (if anything) can profit if he is the murderer of the persons who was named as insured

Kathy

 

[mysteriew]

Maybe the $7k was for funeral expenses. Maybe he hid it and then told the people he emailed where to find it. Just a thought.

IF he has money, as the father of two deceased little boys, he should be responsible for their burial. Just because he chose not to be present for their burial should not exempt him from that responsibility. He can go into an unmarked grave or his family can be responsible for his burial. IF he had any money at all I hope the Cox's move on it.

 

[MarthaM]

Maybe he used the $7K (or part of it) to pay in advance for a storage unit somewhere. Not necessarily the one referenced already, but somewhere else. Maybe some place he was already renting and wanted to be sure was paid up for a long, long time.

No real reason why I'm thinking that, nothing to base it on. Just a possibility.

 

[hollyblue]

LE can't just charge SP because there is no left to charge...they have to be able to prove he knew and/or helped with disposing of Susan, or that he was in a conspiracy with JP to kill her, hide her body, etc...

I'm not quite sure how they will be able to do that...JMO

After seeing how Sunday's massacre was so well planned....so was Susan's disappearance, imo. Has to be some trace of info...somewhere. I pray. TBH, I don't know if I can handle what they will discover happened, if they do. His using that house for a staging...especially with all the pics of Susan...and not actually living there is really "out there" and overwhelmingly creepy to me.

Can the DA or someone ask for a mandated psycho and/or psycho-sexual evaluation for SP?

 

[hollyblue]

Here's a link to where Sumner is...quite near Puyallup (I so can't spell that). http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sumne...code_result&ct=image&resnum=3&ved=0CEEQ8gEwAg

And WA LE has to say it's not in relationship to Susan; they can't investigate that until evidence of a crime involving Susan occurred in Washington. Jurisdiction stuff. But rest assured, they sure are investigating everything related to JP now...they have enough PC to do pretty much anything they need to do now.

Best-
Herding Cats

Now I'm confused. What was the probable cause for the search of SP's property when they found the cp?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Now I'm confused. What was the probable cause for the search of SP's property when they found the cp?

I'm not 100% sure about this hollyeblue, but if memory serves me correctly the search was due to the P men's admission that they were in possession of Susan's journals and were planning to publish them.

A friend of SP's also came forward and LE learned that SP' bragged about having the journals, along with Susan's LDS undergarmets and his locked up in his bedroom. Dont quote me on this as I don't have a link.

This should have been a murder investigation from the beginning, IMO. Here is an example of all the red flags.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-i...rts-say-controlling-behavior-a-red-flag-video

MOO

wm

 

[Isabelle]

I dont really know except if I hear no body, no cause of death again I think Ill go insane. Even now its just more of the same and frankly I think the stuff about an arrest was coming is bull, I feel very jerked around.

I agree completely, further, why isn't a missing person considered federal, so that investigation, etc in all states ca be carried out. Lesson learned here, commit a crime in another state and move to Washington State, since they can't touch you. This is completely idiotic!

 

[21merc7]

I agree completely, further, why isn't a missing person considered federal, so that investigation, etc in all states ca be carried out. Lesson learned here, commit a crime in another state and move to Washington State, since they can't touch you. This is completely idiotic!

Washington State would not be able to bring any charges, or arrest until something busted open in the case. If Susan was found in Utah, Washington State would arrest him and send him to Utah to be tried. If Susan was found in Washington, he would be arrested and tried there. It's not as if moving freed him of pending charges. Susan was simply never found, and there was not enough evidence (found of shared, I don't know if one or both) to force Washington State to get a search warrant for a storage locker.

 

[believe09]

I can understand everyone's confusion regarding search warrants and the status change to Susan's disappearance.

BUT-we do not allow LE bashing on the boards. We are supportive of their efforts to take all of the necessary steps to find some measure of justice here for the boys, for Susan and for the Cox's.

 

[mysteriew]

I think that LE has privately considered this a murder investigation all along. But for legal reasons they could not say so.

They don't do all the searches, tie up all the manpower, use all the dogs and equipment searching for a person they belive is alive. They have believed she was dead. But to accuse too early could cut off some sources of info. Could open them up to lawsuits. And could stall any further investigation as well as endanger any possible prosecution.

LE has a very well known procedure for speaking with media and the release of info. First they will deny any suspects, but will agree that that they have people they want to talk with. If they don't they can be accused in trial of narrowing their focus too soon and not looking at other people as suspects.

Then they will sometimes say that someone (usually someone who isn't cooperating) is a "person of interest." IOW they have some reason to believe this person may be guilty, but they don't have enough info to accuse them or to take it to court.

Then they can name a suspect, which usually means they have enough evidence that points to the persons guilt that they can defend themselves against any libel/slander suits. But maybe not enough to use up their one chance to try this person for the crime.

One of the huge drawbacks in this case is the lack of a body. Many many times prosecutors won't take a case to court unless they have a body. Because if they take it to court and lose, if a body is ever found it can't be tried again. Unless LE could produce a body or produce evidence of enough violence that a person was killed, they aren't going to take it to court.

We still don't know what caused the wet stain. Was it blood? Was it a large enough stain to conclude that death would be the only reasonable result? Were they able to connect it to Susan through DNA? Or was it vomit? Were they able to isolate any toxins? How about the charred wood? Did it show any signs of bodily fluid? Were they able to connect it to Susan in any way?

Even if all of these things did show what we thought. Even if they were able to connect all of them to Susan. Even if they did all point to the death of Susan. There is still an open question. Where is her remains? And if there is any open questions at all, there is a legal hole the defense can drive a wedge through and destroy a case. The Anthony case is a good example of how the slightest question can leave a hole the defense can exploit.

 

[Bipolar Express]

I just see a whole lot of laws here that need changing. LE is just doing what they can WITHIN the laws, like it or not, thats how it is. Its up to us to get the laws changed and this case begs for a whole bunch of them to be changed:

Children who are POSSIBLE witnesses of a crime, and have already been removed from a home of a husband of their missing MOTHER, should not have to have visitiations with the father. PERIOD. Just in case. Rights be d@#$ed. Or visitiations only under armed supervision NOT in the home.

In order to find a missing person where foul play is believed to have occured, LE should be allowed to search whatever and wherever necessary. And the uncooperative behavior of the owner of the property should become part of the PC.

I know many people would say these would be huge violations of rights. I, frankly, am so ticked off and so sick of this that Im willing to give up some of my rights. I have nothing to hide!!