2015.08.26 Jimmy Rodgers: Charged with Murder in the Second Degree

[FelicityLemon]

How did Dad die?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=RRIGAAAAIBAJ&pg=3016,2109433&hl=en

Died unexpectedly in the Philippines at age 51.

 

[creepingskills]

You're right that the video (not LE) is what "caught him at Walmart" but the article is poorly worded and I didn't see surveillance mentioned until two paragraphs later. Those pesky MSM writers make our job so much harder! :banghead:
Thanks for the clear summary. MSM should hire you!



http://www.winknews.com/2015/09/04/...w-sievers-murder-suspect-was-linked-to-crime/

When I was in a Florida court recently, one of the cases called involved repeated theft from Walmart. The judge told the defendant "congratulations! You won the Walmart case of the day!" and then proceeded to rant, quite informatively, about how stupid it is to steal from Walmart because they have such advanced security systems, including facial recognition technology that can zero in on any known shoplifter; and because of how closely LE works with Walmart, they should have a designated Walmart division since one patrol car is often en route to the store.

Bear with me, on this long post, I promise I'll get back to the Walmart relevancy. I could see scenario unfolding like this; CWW sends JR into Walmart to purchase some item(s). CWW remains in the parking lot (probably caught on parking lot surveillance cams, and JR likely corroborated CWW was with him). What is especially interesting, IMO, is how exactly LCSO ended up at Walmart:

Scott was asked whether tolls, financial transactions, and cell phone activity played a part in catching the men. "I spoke broadly to what I referred to as a digital footprint, day and age we are in. Cellular activity and the like, we retraced steps,” said Scott.

What if it wasn't what they purchased at Walmart that led LE in that direction? For example, say they purchased an unsuspicious item like food. CWW & JR could be thinking, who cares if we are on video buying snacks in Florida. And I'm going to speculate a rental car was used, rented by someone other than CWW or JR. Criminals love rental cars and for good reason.

IIRC, E. Terry has traffic cams. LE would have reviewed any and all traffic cams from not only the day TS returned from the airport, but probably days before and days after the crime. Maybe LSCO spotted a suspicious vehicle in the area. What would make a vehicle more suspicious than others in the area? LE runs the registration and it comes back as a rental. And while many rental cars have Florida plates, LE would see that the vehicle was rented out of state, maybe in MO, home state of MS.

With this new interesting information, LE decides to RETRACE THE STEPS of that rental car. Now, this could have happened a few different ways; traffic cams would be the obvious answer but some (if not all) rental cars and cars owned by people with bad credit have some sort of GPS tracking in case the car is stolen. From my understanding, the GPS data wouldn't give the exact route of the car, but every 12/24 hours the vehicle records its last location to make it easier for repossessing. So, say LE gets information from the traffic cams or rental company, that this car was near Walmart. Jackpot. LE gives the description of the car/license plate to Walmart; Walmart provides LE with video of the car pulling into the lot showing one or two men entering the store, buying something. Now LE has a face. The face could be ID'd by uncovering a connection between the person who rented the car and JR. Or, lets not forget that Walmart has facial recognition technology that can pull data from all of its stores JR has visited. This is how they catch repeat shoplifters, an alert is sent when a face flagged in their system enters the store. Perhaps all LE needed was for Walmart to run the face through its security system, and report back that the face in question also shopped at a MO location and used a debit/credit card and his name is JR. The conspiracy unravels from there.

 

[Chelly]

creepingskills ^^^^^^
That reasoning is so good it is scary....very impressive.

 

[IQuestion]

FELICITY LEMON and CREEPINGSKILLS=Super Sleuthers! Your posts #123 & #124 respectively not only shows you are great sleuthers, but also provide a lot of information to expand further discussions. (facial recognition technology at Walmart... go figure.)
Was JRR the youngest child in his family? IE, was he in high school or graduated by Sept. 2007, possible? (just wondering about psychological impact or beginning of criminal behavior.)

 

[creepingskills]

FELICITY LEMON and CREEPINGSKILLS=Super Sleuthers! Your posts #123 & #124 respectively not only shows you are great sleuthers, but also provide a lot of information to expand further discussions. (facial recognition technology at Walmart... go figure.)
Was JRR the youngest child in his family? IE, was he in high school or graduated by Sept. 2007, possible? (just wondering about psychological impact or beginning of criminal behavior.)

IIRC, JR was born in 1990. 2007 was probably his second or third year of high school. IMO, high school class of 2008.

 

[jggordo]

One of these days criminals are going to learn not to go shopping at WalMart before during or after committing these crimes. WM has "asset protection associates" that are good as it gets. They can find a criminal and backtrack to follow that individual from the time they enter the parking lot until they leave the parking lot. I don't know how many cameras there are but they can follow criminals from dept to dept and show what is purchased and when it is how it is paid for within a short amount of time. They burn it on a CD and give it to prosecutors. The same in their shoplifting cases.

Whether it be Jodi Arias and the gas cans or the bleach bought by Craig M Wood (10 year old kidnapped, raped and murdered in MO) WM helps to convict these fools.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ngfield-18-Feb-2014-3&p=12032830#post12032830

JMO's

 

[creepingskills]

One of these days criminals are going to learn not to go shopping at WalMart before during or after committing these crimes. WM has "asset protection associates" that are good as it gets. They can find a criminal and backtrack to follow that individual from the time they enter the parking lot until they leave the parking lot. I don't know how many cameras there are but they can follow criminals from dept to dept and show what is purchased and when it is how it is paid for within a short amount of time. They burn it on a CD and give it to prosecutors. The same in their shoplifting cases.

Whether it be Jodi Arias and the gas cans or the bleach bought by Craig M Wood (10 year old kidnapped, raped and murdered in MO) WM helps to convict these fools.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ngfield-18-Feb-2014-3&p=12032830#post12032830

JMO's

Yup, exactly.

"Last month, Muskogee police officers helped capture the man on the FBI’s Most Wanted list after a facial recognition system taken from a past mug shot tracked the convicted child molester to an Oklahoma Walmart where he was working under an assumed name, David Stone." http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015...e-to-track-suspects-despite-privacy-concerns/

Very interesting article. I'm not sure, but I'd say that based on ^ there is some integration of LE facial recognition software and Walmart's.

 

[Wing Ding]

I believe you are reading the article the wrong way. LE saw him on video at Wal-Mart after the crime occurred. The tape he was on was from the night before TS was found. CWW and JR were in the video together. Rodgers was not arrested and released that night. Something at the crime scene most likely led them to check security video at the local Wal-Mart.

I just read the article the way it was written.

If Rodgers wasn't actually caught at Walmart the night before the murder, why did they say he was?

There's a big difference between writing...

A) "...Rodgers being at caught at Walmart the night before the murder."

and

B) "...two weeks after the murder, Rodgers being seen on Walmart's in-store security surveillance system the night before the murder."

Anyways, nifwor... thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess the incompetence falls on the shoulders of the writers themselves, not F.L.E.

WritERS. It took two people to get it wrong. Three if you count the editor. Maybe even more than that. lol

 

[Wing Ding]

JR may have left the tag on the hammer if he purchased it there.:scared: He doesnt seem like the brightest crayon in the box.

I don't know if Rodgers brought his own hammer with him or not, but I like the way you think! It wouldn't be the first time a bad guy (or girl!) used a store card to buy something related to a murder just save a few cents.

 

[SeesSeas]

One of these days criminals are going to learn not to go shopping at WalMart before during or after committing these crimes. WM has "asset protection associates" that are good as it gets. They can find a criminal and backtrack to follow that individual from the time they enter the parking lot until they leave the parking lot. I don't know how many cameras there are but they can follow criminals from dept to dept and show what is purchased and when it is how it is paid for within a short amount of time. They burn it on a CD and give it to prosecutors. The same in their shoplifting cases.
JMO's

I am very curious what led LCSO to Walmart. Perhaps it was as basic as finding a hammer at the crime scene; then it was determined the hammer was new; then LE investigated recent local hammer purchases. Or, maybe it wasn’t that simple.

Last year, I served on a jury for a Walmart shoplifting case where a man was charged with felony grand theft. The Walmart videos provided during the trial were remarkable in that we could watch all of the man’s actions throughout many departments in the store, viewing his entire ‘shopping’ experience.

End result was a mistrial because jurors couldn’t agree on whether the man actually committed theft because Walmart security personnel apprehended him inside the front vestibule area of the store. The jury members all agreed he had ‘intent’ to steal (not a crime). But there was dispute about the crime of theft because he didn’t technically leave the store building with his shopping cart filled to the brim.

 

[creepingskills]

I am very curious what led LCSO to Walmart. Perhaps it was as basic as finding a hammer at the crime scene; then it was determined the hammer was new; then LE investigated recent local hammer purchases. Or, maybe it wasn’t that simple.

Last year, I served on a jury for a Walmart shoplifting case where a man was charged with felony grand theft. The Walmart videos provided during the trial were remarkable in that we could watch all of the man’s actions throughout many departments in the store, viewing his entire ‘shopping’ experience.

End result was a mistrial because jurors couldn’t agree on whether the man actually committed theft because Walmart security personnel apprehended him inside the front vestibule area of the store. The jury members all agreed he had ‘intent’ to steal (not a crime). But there was dispute about the crime of theft because he didn’t technically leave the store building with his shopping cart filled to the brim.

:goodpost:

I have a few questions about the video provided by Walmart;

1. How good was the quality of the footage? Very clear, zoomed in?
2. Did they show any video from the parking lot?

 

[SeesSeas]

:goodpost:

I have a few questions about the video provided by Walmart;

1. How good was the quality of the footage? Very clear, zoomed in?
2. Did they show any video from the parking lot?

For the trial, we weren’t shown any videos of the Walmart parking lot.

The videos of the interior of the store were from a distance of perhaps 30 feet (guessing here) and were quite clear; it was like hovering over an area in each department. I don’t know where the cameras were, but I’m thinking they were in the ceiling overhead.

For our case, we weren’t provided any zoomed-in shots because there was no dispute that the defendant wasn’t the actual ‘shopper’ in the video. Nor was there any dispute about the items in the shopping cart.

 

[jggordo]

I don't know if Rodgers brought his own hammer with him or not, but I like the way you think! It wouldn't be the first time a bad guy (or girl!) used a store card to buy something related to a murder just save a few cents.

In the case of Hailey Owens, the killer left his house to go to WalMart to get bleach to clean up. He bought the store brand (Great Value) to I guess save money AND went to the laundrymat to wash the bedding from his bed in the three hours after the murder. He was arrested when he returned home three hours after the killing.
WS scanner peeps knew his identity and tag # before the Amber Alert even went out.

I believe the hammer likely had a UPC stick on label that didn't get removed. They are in inconspicuous places many times. I'm sure they got the cheapest hammer since no real "construction" was going to be done with it. They also could have purchased the disposable jumpsuit there IMO.

JMO's

 

[Chelly]

Perhaps it has become SOP in major crimes these days for LE to check WM surveillance.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I work on federally prosecuted counterfeit cases...we love Walmart videos and CEFCO Convenience Stores.

ETA: Our most recent use of Walmart videos was back in May, and we used a still photo from a WM video to put on a flyer put out by local LE for a counterfeit case. Clear as a bell and the ability to focus in on the lady's wrist tattoo was what helped us identify her

 

[creepingskills]

Well, I've wondered about this and maybe AZLawyer can weigh in here with a better answer. My guess is that if JR had a valid license, and was pulled over for not signaling, minor speeding, he would've been free to go upon presenting valid license/reg and taking the ticket. What I'm not sure about is whether there is some kind of notification that tells highway patrol (or JR's PO) that JR is on probation, and as a condition of probation can't leave the state without permission, and such permission has not been obtained. I don't think the highway stop would go that deep.

 

[Bobbywoo]

Well, I've wondered about this and maybe AZLawyer can weigh in here with a better answer. My guess is that if JR had a valid license, and was pulled over for not signaling, minor speeding, he would've been free to go upon presenting valid license/reg and taking the ticket. What I'm not sure about is whether there is some kind of notification that tells highway patrol (or JR's PO) that JR is on probation, and as a condition of probation can't leave the state without permission, and such permission has not been obtained. I don't think the highway stop would go that deep.

I'd love to know the answer to that too....I have no idea how that would work, I assumed it would pop up on LE's screen, but now I think I may be getting it confused with a suspended license? ? ?

 

[ohreally]

Has anyone been able to find out where JR is being held? I looked under federal. The only 25 year old with his name says not in BOP custody. I cannot find him in Jefferson County, or for the state of Missouri. I cannot find him in Florida either. Hmmmm.

 

[Dmacky]

Creepingskills ~
As always, your posts are very thought provoking. As well as thoughtful, you seem to have a very kind heart.

I was just wondering if in fact, anyone knows for sure that JR's brother really is going or graduating from law school and actually lives in Florida? Just because JR told his boss that, it doesn't necessarily mean it is true?
I can't sit for long as I am down in my back with a herniated disk/pinched nerve and I don't have the energy to search for myself. TIA~

 

[atthelake]

Creepingskills ~
As always, your posts are very thought provoking. As well as thoughtful, you seem to have a very kind heart.

I was just wondering if in fact, anyone knows for sure that JR's brother really is going or graduating from law school and actually lives in Florida? Just because JR told his boss that, it doesn't necessarily mean it is true?
I can't sit for long as I am down in my back with a herniated disk/pinched nerve and I don't have the energy to search for myself. TIA~

Iirc there was an article that stated he was still in law school at the time in California.

Using talk to text with lots of grammar errors !