2016.01.07 Discovery Docs Batch 3 - Crime Scene Images included

[debbiegarcia36]

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The door prior to the cut. Can't make out any impression but maybe someone else can?

The cut is on the other side ( inside)of the door. Im thinking at that height maybe one of their heads/faces were leaning against the door as the waited for her to come in the house.

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[No it's not]

Keep looking for another photograph of the pantry door. Here is the same door before processing. Unfortunately the part in question was not captured. There may be more pics:

-Nin

 

[Scout]

I can't see enough detail in any of these images to make a determination.

I think it's quite likely someone waited in the pantry. They would have wanted to cut off her access to the alarm panel and her ability to escape back out through the garage. It's likely the other one waited for her in or very near the kitchen. If she had made it back to the master bedroom, she could have grabbed the loaded handgun next to the bed. Also, just making it past the kitchen would have given her access to other exterior doors. She was ambushed as soon as she got into the kitchen, IMO.

 

[No it's not]

Looks like the bolt assembly from a bolt action rifle, Nin. Probably redacted the serial number.

Both would make sense, thanks Scout.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Bingo!!

Batch #29612 evidence!

 

[Scout]

Bingo!!

Batch #29612 evidence!

Great work! Thanks, Nin, creepingskills, FightTheOstrich, debbiegarcia, and anyone else I missed!

 

[Scout]

Looks like a palm print, specifically the heel of the hand, to me.

 

[No it's not]

The pry bar located in the (right) saddle bag of MS' motorcycle:

Still have not located, where it possibly said the marks on the door frame/door match that tool. Scout pointed out that a detective accounted for the tool and conveyed it to the crime scene. That was in one of the batches. However, I either read it in MSM or in the batches, that the damaged door frame marks (possibly) match that pry bar.

It would take much more prove, than just visually matching the tool to the pry marks, as it could have been any pry bar looking just like it. That really goes without saying.

-Nin

 

[Scout]

The pry bar located in the (right) saddle bag of MS' motorcycle:

Still have not located, where it possibly said the marks on the door frame/door match that tool. Scout pointed out that a detective accounted for the tool and conveyed it to the crime scene. That was in one of the batches. However, I either read it in MSM or in the batches, that the damaged door frame marks (possibly) match that pry bar.

It would take much more prove, than just visually matching the tool to the pry marks, as it could have been any pry bar looking just like it. That really goes without saying.

-Nin

The wording in that about it being conveyed to the crime scene was very strange and frankly made no sense to me. There is another photo in that same batch that shows that pry bar underneath some gloves and other items in that saddlebag. I don't know what was meant by the "conveyed to the crime scene" remark.

 

[Scout]

The wording in that about it being conveyed to the crime scene was very strange and frankly made no sense to me. There is another photo in that same batch that shows that pry bar underneath some gloves and other items in that saddlebag. I don't know what was meant by the "conveyed to the crime scene" remark.

If there were damage to the prying edge such as chips, indented notches, or broken corners, they could make a pretty good argument for saying this specific pry bar made those marks. I'm not sure they could make a determination of identification because of the nature of the substrate and the movement that occurs in prying the door. It's possible, but it would definitely not be done at the scene by a crime scene tech. The analysis would be done in a lab by a qualified tool mark examiner.

 

[Scout]

Here is the entire paragraph from Detective Divis's report.

At approximately 1:30pm I responded to the scene of the crime at Jarvis Rd. to assist with a final walkthrough of the residence. A crow bar was located in the right saddle bag of the motorcycle located in the garage which was conveyed to crime scene and was collected. I assisted with removal and collection of the door which leads from the garage to the exterior south side of the residence. I assisted with collection of paper work inside the office at the residence.

 

[No it's not]

The wording in that about it being conveyed to the crime scene was very strange and frankly made no sense to me. There is another photo in that same batch that shows that pry bar underneath some gloves and other items in that saddlebag. I don't know what was meant by the "conveyed to the crime scene" remark.

Agree, unusual wording. I thought the detective meant he conveyed or brought it into the crime scene, since it was hidden initially. Here is the photograph with the gloves on top of the bar:

I am wondering too, if the crescent shaped injuries induced to TS may correspond in any way to the crescent shaped end of this (or a similar) pry bar/ tool.

-Nin

 

[FelicityLemon]

I wonder what kind of impression would be made at that height? And whether it was inflicted on the interior or exterior of the door. I'm thinking sure, impression likely resulted from a hammer swing but could be the result of TS noticing the door opening and instinctively slamming it shut on whoever was behind it? IOW the impression may have been made by someone's head?

My first thought was either face or palm print made while coming out of pantry? While peering out?

 

[creepingskills]

Agree, unusual wording. I thought the detective meant he conveyed or brought it into the crime scene, since it was hidden initially. Here is the photograph with the gloves on top of the bar:

I am wondering too, if the crescent shaped injuries induced to TS may correspond in any way to the crescent shaped end of this (or a similar) pry bar/ tool.

-Nin

Are crow bars usually (or ever) curved at the end, in the way this one is? If they're usually flat, no curves... signifies that this is *the* crow bar used to stage the door?

 

[FelicityLemon]

The wording in that about it being conveyed to the crime scene was very strange and frankly made no sense to me. There is another photo in that same batch that shows that pry bar underneath some gloves and other items in that saddlebag. I don't know what was meant by the "conveyed to the crime scene" remark.

Part of the staging? If MS' fingerprints weren't found on it he couldn't have put it there. I mean, it's possible, but someone with that kind of hygiene would hardly wipe down a tool before putting it away. Also, why a prybar in motorcycle bag? :dunno:

 

[creepingskills]

Part of the staging? If MS' fingerprints weren't found on it he couldn't have put it there. I mean, it's possible, but someone with that kind of hygiene would hardly wipe down a tool before putting it away. Also, why a prybar in motorcycle bag? :dunno:

If that's the case, I bet the gloves will come into play to explain why MS's fingerprints weren't on his crowbar.

 

[Scout]

Are crow bars usually (or ever) curved at the end, in the way this one is? If they're usually flat, no curves... signifies that this is *the* crow bar used to stage the door?

Yes, they have one curved end and one straight end. FWIW, this isn't what I would call a crowbar, although I'm sure that term is pretty commonly used for it. I consider a crowbar to be the larger heavier version that usually has a thick shaft.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_(tool)

The one in the saddlebag I would call a flat pry bar. I don't know what use, if any, it could have for a motorcycle. It's commonly used to pry loose things like baseboards and door molding. It's useful in home repairs because its thin broad shape won't damage the materials in the way a crowbar would. A crowbar is more useful in heavier jobs such as demolition of wall framing.

IMO, a crowbar would be a better choice for prying open an exterior door on a residence than a flat pry bar. It would pop the door open with much less effort. However, since the prying of the door was staged, they may have actually used a flat pry bar.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Yes, they have one curved end and one straight end. FWIW, this isn't what I would call a crowbar, although I'm sure that term is pretty commonly used for it. I consider a crowbar to be the larger heavier version that usually has a thick shaft.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_(tool)

The one in the saddlebag I would call a flat pry bar. I don't know what use, if any, it could have for a motorcycle. It's commonly used to pry loose things like baseboards and door molding. It's useful in home repairs because its thin broad shape won't damage the materials in the way a crowbar would. A crowbar is more useful in heavier jobs such as demolition of wall framing.

IMO, a crowbar would be a better choice for prying open an exterior door on a residence than a flat pry bar. It would pop the door open with much less effort. However, since the prying of the door was staged, they may have actually used a flat pry bar.

I googled "pry bar+motorcycle" and it seems like pry bars a common accessory for changing flats on a motorcycle.

 

[Scout]

Looking at Detective Divis's report again, it reads like the pry bar was found and collected on 7/2/15. The last time MS spoke with investigators was on 7/1/15. So apparently they haven't had the opportunity to ask him about it.

 

[Scout]

I googled "pry bar+motorcycle" and it seems like pry bars a common accessory for changing flats on a motorcycle.

Yes, but not usually this type of pry bar. This type is for light carpentry. IMO, it would damage the tire and mar the rim. Do an image Google for motorcycle pry bar and you'll see the difference.