2016.01.07 Discovery Docs Batch 3 - Crime Scene Images included

[FightTheOstrich]

I do not understand. Why would she need that as an excuse to get rid of him?

To me, he seems totally unappetizing. So why an excuse? Can't you divorce for any reason? What did she need him for? She was making great money at the $11 thou a week a doctor's wife on here calculated. Plus she had infomercials and supplemnts which would bring her income up.

I think most people are repulsed by MS.

It's a lot easier to gain custody of your kids if the man you're divorcing is a hardcore drug user. And for some it's the final straw that pushes them into action. A lot of women don't leave because they don't want to share the kids 50% of the time with a loser like MS. Is anyone here comfortable with MS parenting those girls right now?

TS was in a difficult situation. MS was a stay-at-home dad and the part-time office manager for her practice. Did MS do all or the majority of the homeschooling? Could she afford a divorce without assistance?

IMO, MS had purposely put the family in debt so leaving wasn't easy for TS. I doubt she knew he had $40,000 or more stashed away. But I bet she knew that they owed the IRS over $30,000. IMO, MS is controlling and TS was a victiim.

TS was making decent money but not enough to cover the family's debts and lifestyle. She wasn't making great money for a doctor.

Divorce and child custody are complicated. Even more complicated when the husband is a controlling SOB.

 

[creepingskills]

I do not understand. Why would she need that as an excuse to get rid of him?

To me, he seems totally unappetizing. So why an excuse? Can't you divorce for any reason? What did she need him for? She was making great money at the $11 thou a week a doctor's wife on here calculated. Plus she had infomercials and supplemnts which would bring her income up.

I think most people are repulsed by MS.

Total speculation but my two cents: MS only said that he wanted to attend law school to intimidate TS. As if she would rethink filing because MS is studying for the LSAT. Lol.

TS needed MS because she's the one working full time. Sure, TS could have divorced him but that requires division of assets/debt and a custody battle, I'm sure. The more money she made, or the more lucrative opportunities available = more complicated divorce. Especially with MS.

 

[Dmacky]

You are welcome! And you can see now, how far that back door with the blood is located leading to the pool bath/guestroom!

-Nin

Yes...It's heartbreaking to think she was trying to run away. :frown: :cry:
Is that the bathroom with the butterfly shower curtain? OR is the shower curtain with bf's near the kids bathroom? I know there was blood on the door trim and the baseboard of that bathroom. I get all the bathrooms confused. TIA~

 

[Daisy47]

You are welcome! And you can see now, how far that back door with the blood is located leading to the pool bath/guestroom!

-Nin

Thanks soooo much Nin! If not for you (and several others) I'd be forever lost in this forum. I like being able to donate monetarily since I'm unable to provide insight, research, expertise, etc to finding justice for this wonderful woman! (Overwhelmed with work/home life these days, but even if I weren't, I could never draw those red lines as straight as you do, Nin. [emoji6]) xoxo

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[No it's not]

There are actually 2 door frames with bloody prints in the docs! The one door frame is the entry to the kids bedrooms/ bathroom (butterfly shower curtain)adjacent to one of the kitchen counters (tissue box on counter). The other door frame is the entry to the guest bedroom/ bathroom with door/ access to the pool (TO THE BEACH sign hanging over wooden sliding door)! The entry is in the south / east end of the family room. That outside pool access is the door, that possibly looks tempered with.

Did the killers possibly enter and or exit through that pool door?

Pics:

Kids/Bed/Bath

Door frame

Family room entry to pool bath/ guest

Sliding door

Blood

That wooden sliding door is the door the dogs were behind, when LE entered the house. They had to undo the lock (reach with hands inside to lift the lash), that was engaged from the inside of that hallway. Check in police report.

-Nin

I need to check again with the report regarding where the dog(s) were spotted first by LE. So I should have said:

That wooden sliding door may be the door the dogs were behind, when LE entered the house.

-Nin

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Considering MS drove the girls around, there's no way TS would risk their safety if she had knowledge of MS using hardcore drugs. I agree though, she put up with a lot but I do think she was looking for a way out.

I hope not but we don't know what TS knew and where she was in her escape plan. I'd like to think she was documenting everything and that LE found everything she had on MS.

I learned a long time ago that what's simple on paper is a lot more complicated in real life and that you can throw out education, socio-economics, etc... in cases like this. Doctors aren't immune to the same problems that impact everyone else, domestic violence, drug abuse, etc...

 

[human]

I hope not but we don't know what TS knew and where she was in her escape plan. I'd like to think she was documenting everything and that LE found everything she had on MS.

I learned a long time ago that what's simple on paper is a lot more complicated in real life and that you can throw out education, socio-economics, etc... in cases like this. Doctors aren't immune to the same problems that impact everyone else, domestic violence, drug abuse, etc...

I agree. But she was making $44 thou a month if we can go with the calculations provided. She could do something about student loans if she explained her situation with her "office manager" who must have taken huge chunks of money.

Homeschooling is a moot point. The kids can go to school because he certainly has zero skills to teach a child. English would be a nice skill to have and we see he was not good at that.

Doctors where I live can make deals with other professionals. Sure, they have to declare it as income, but I doubt if they do.

He provided nothing. She seemed self confident but at home I suppose she could be beaten down. I wonder if he did beat her? He certainly emotionally abused her.

I seriously doubt he could have gotten custody. But as he was watching the girls all of the time anyway, him taking care of the girls must not have been a concern .

 

[FelicityLemon]

Total speculation but my two cents: MS only said that he wanted to attend law school to intimidate TS. As if she would rethink filing because MS is studying for the LSAT. Lol.

TS needed MS because she's the one working full time. Sure, TS could have divorced him but that requires division of assets/debt and a custody battle, I'm sure. The more money she made, or the more lucrative opportunities available = more complicated divorce. Especially with MS.

I don't know if all states are the same, but where I live, she would be paying him spousal support if divorced. No way he'd pass that up.

 

[Daisy47]

Total speculation but my two cents: MS only said that he wanted to attend law school to intimidate TS. As if she would rethink filing because MS is studying for the LSAT. Lol.

TS needed MS because she's the one working full time. Sure, TS could have divorced him but that requires division of assets/debt and a custody battle, I'm sure. The more money she made, or the more lucrative opportunities available = more complicated divorce. Especially with MS.

I agree with your speculations CS. I envision MS repeatedly threatening Teresa that if she tried to divorce him HE would be the one to win custody of the girls. Teresa (IMHO) would be concerned about that being even the slightest possibility. .. could be why she stayed as long as she did.

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[FightTheOstrich]

I agree. But she was making $44 thou a month if we can go with the calculations provided. She could do something about student loans if she explained her situation with her "office manager" who must have taken huge chunks of money.

Homeschooling is a moot point. The kids can go to school because he certainly has zero skills to teach a child. English would be a nice skill to have and we see he was not good at that.

Doctors where I live can make deals with other professionals. Sure, they have to declare it as income, but I doubt if they do.

He provided nothing. She seemed self confident but at home I suppose she could be beaten down. I wonder if he did beat her? He certainly emotionally abused her.

I seriously doubt he could have gotten custody. But as he was watching the girls all of the time anyway, him taking care of the girls must not have been a concern .

She wasn't making $44,000/month. That was a very generous estimate of the practice's revenue before business expenses were paid. Payroll for 2 employees, the building lease, utilities, supplies, malpractice insurance, etc... TS didn't have enough patients for the supplement business to be profitable.

Homeschooling is not necessarily a moot point if MS was trying to demonstrate to a judge that he was the primary care giver and stay-at-home parent. This could impact both the divorce settlement and custody.

 

[human]

She wasn't making $44,000/month. That was a very generous estimate of the practice's revenue before business expenses were paid. Payroll for 2 employees, the building lease, utilities, supplies, malpractice insurance, etc... TS didn't have enough patients for the supplement business to be profitable.

Homeschooling is not necessarily a moot point if MS was trying to demonstrate to a judge that he was the primary care giver and stay-at-home parent. This could impact both the divorce settlement and custody.

We will have to disagree.

Every woman I have ever met has had the threat said that her loser is going to take the kids. Good luck with that!

Anyway, I think there are other things that were issues based on him abusing her. Her esteem must have been way down.

These abusers are very clever. What a treat he is!

 

[FightTheOstrich]

I don't know if all states are the same, but where I live, she would be paying him spousal support if divorced. No way he'd pass that up.

And I'm sure MS constantly reminded her that he played Mr. Mom when she went back to school and that he helped create and run her practice. Constantly taking credit for her success. The guy is a master manipulator.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

We will have to disagree.

Every woman I have ever met has had the threat said that her loser is going to take the kids. Good luck with that!

Anyway, I think there are other things that were issues based on him abusing her. Her esteem must have been way down.

These abusers are very clever. What a treat he is!

Losers get custody of their kids everyday in the U.S. and shared custody is now the norm. Heck, the judge allowed MS to keep the girls in December.

I think TS was working an escape plan and getting her ducks in a row. The most dangerous time for a victim of DV is when she leaves her abuser and I think TS underestimated her opponent.

 

[east2west]

When I look at that floor plan it occurs to me there is no way they would let her take anything to the bedroom....or get past the kitchen...Too many
possibilities for her to escape. I also think the blood on the door frames is from the killers not her trying to escape....jmo

I agree. I do not think she ever made it past the kitchen. Most of the blood spatter on the fridge is low, under 24 inches. She may have been knocked to the floor manually before taking blows to her skull with a hammer. The wallet, receipts, water bottles, sandals, ear buds, were placed on the kitchen floor in a poor attempt to stage the crime scene, imo. Those items appear intentionally "placed" after the fact. I think you would expect those items to have blood smear and be scattered further about the kitchen if they were part of an attack and a struggle.

 

[creepingskills]

I hope not but we don't know what TS knew and where she was in her escape plan. I'd like to think she was documenting everything and that LE found everything she had on MS.

I learned a long time ago that what's simple on paper is a lot more complicated in real life and that you can throw out education, socio-economics, etc... in cases like this. Doctors aren't immune to the same problems that impact everyone else, domestic violence, drug abuse, etc...

ITA with your entire post. I think MS was mentally abusive, as we already know that he has no problem 'gas lighting' his own mother re: the alarm. I'm sure that kind of manipulative controlling behavior was even worse with TS.

 

[creepingskills]

Losers get custody of their kids everyday in the U.S. and shared custody is now the norm. Heck, the judge allowed MS to keep the girls in December.

I think TS was working an escape plan and getting her ducks in a row. The most dangerous time for a victim of DV is when she leaves her abuser and I think TS underestimated her opponent.

I've always wondered when the friend/family member who said that TS told her she wanted to divorce MS was told. If I had to guess, I'd say April/May is when MS discovered TS's exit plan without her knowledge.

 

[creepingskills]

We will have to disagree.

Every woman I have ever met has had the threat said that her loser is going to take the kids. Good luck with that!

Anyway, I think there are other things that were issues based on him abusing her. Her esteem must have been way down.

These abusers are very clever. What a treat he is!

BBM. IIRC insiders have posted that TS was very fit, lived a very healthy lifestyle, took care of herself. I wonder if she stepped up working out in the last year or so, building her self esteem and seeing the light. I'm sure MS tried to get in the way of anything TS did for her own well being, anything that would give her clarity.

MS's 'vibe', for lack of better word, based on his van, the office... pretty chaotic, overwhelming. I wonder if this was some kind subconscious attempt to weigh TS down, break her spirit or dash any hope for escape.:moo:

 

[FightTheOstrich]

BBM. IIRC insiders have posted that TS was very fit, lived a very healthy lifestyle, took care of herself. I wonder if she stepped up working out in the last year or so, building her self esteem and seeing the light. I'm sure MS tried to get in the way of anything TS did for her own well being, anything that would give her clarity.

MS's 'vibe', for lack of better word, based on his van, the office... pretty chaotic, overwhelming. I wonder if this was some kind subconscious attempt to weigh TS down, break her spirit or dash any hope for escape.:moo:

I'm sure. It's difficult to plan for the future when you're in survival mode. It's like he tried to extinguish her light in the house before he killed her.

This is O/T. Isn't it strange that the house didn't have any mirrors outside of the bathrooms (thanks IQuestion for pointing this out, I couldn't figure out what seemed off).

 

[FelicityLemon]

wheeeeeeeeeee!

-nin

 

[creepingskills]

I don't know if all states are the same, but where I live, she would be paying him spousal support if divorced. No way he'd pass that up.

FL is an "equitable distribution" state. Generally speaking, assets are divided "equitably" by a judge who considers the length of the marriage, the amount earned or earning potential of each, assets, whether or not that spouse supports children as the custodial parent. In my state, the issue of spousal support is relevant in determining "equitable distribution" of the assets.

After a very brief research session, I now know that FL has two types of discretionary spousal support, permanent or rehabilitative (short term). IMO, MS would absolutely argue he's at least entitled to rehabilitative alimony. MS, presumably would no longer be employed by TS's business and may have succeeded with obtaining temporary support.

Specially a FL judge would consider:
-the standard of living established while married;
-the length of the marriage;
-the age and health of each party;
-the financial resources and assets of each party;
-when applicable, the time necessary for either party to acquire sufficient education or training to enable such party to find appropriate employment;
-the contribution of each party to the marriage, including, but not limited to, services rendered in homemaking, child care, education, and career building of the other party:stormingmad:; and
-all sources of income available to either party.