2016.01.07 Discovery Docs Batch 3 - Crime Scene Images included

[ATasteOfHoney]

The regular spring loaded type lock assembly on the bottom would be very easy to pry open with a pry bar just put in and when it is pulled back stresses the latch side and the door side enough to separate the two so it opens. The dead bolt did not look like it was activated as not enough damage to have pried it

Without the deadbolt being activated, one could easily slide a flimsy credit card through the lock & frame and voila----door pops open without a fuss or any noise

(Of course, I've never forgotten my keys & had to use this technique :blushing:

 

[Scout]

I know the pried door was part of the staging, but do we know that the attempt to pry open the door was actually successful in getting the door to open? It's hard to visualize exactly what would have happened when they finished the prying. How would that have gotten the locks themselves to open or retract enough to get the door open?

The regular spring loaded type lock assembly on the bottom would be very easy to pry open with a pry bar just put in and when it is pulled back stresses the latch side and the door side enough to separate the two so it opens. The dead bolt did not look like it was activated as not enough damage to have pried it

I agree with mikeinmo's explanation of how the door could be pried open. Without the deadbolt engaged, it would be relatively easy to pry open. I would also add that I think the damage that was actually done to the door doesn't really fit. The only pry mark that shows any force is the one that fractured the door. The others look like they were put there for the sole purpose of making pry marks rather than as attempts to successfully pry the door open. And I can't see how the fracture would facilitate prying the door open. In fact, it seems to me that the fracture would actually eliminate the resistance necessary to provide the leverage needed to open the door. And the fracture happened because the prying force was applied too close to the exterior surface of the door. I would think that inserting the pry bar as deeply as possible into the gap between door and frame and then prying with the force necessary to disengage the latch would have resulted in deeper pry bar impressions nearer the interior surface of the door.

I feel like my explanation is as clear as mud. What I'm trying to get across is that the damage to the door looks staged in that it looks like they wanted it to be obvious that someone pried the door open, but the damage done isn't really consistent with effectively opening the door. Does that make sense to anyone besides me?

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[IQuestion]

BBM. IIRC insiders have posted that TS was very fit, lived a very healthy lifestyle, took care of herself. I wonder if she stepped up working out in the last year or so, building her self esteem and seeing the light. I'm sure MS tried to get in the way of anything TS did for her own well being, anything that would give her clarity.

MS's 'vibe', for lack of better word, based on his van, the office... pretty chaotic, overwhelming. I wonder if this was some kind subconscious attempt to weigh TS down, break her spirit or dash any hope for escape.:moo:

You are spot on with your observation CREEPINGSKILLS! "INCOMPETENCE IS THE TIME HONORED WEAPON OF SABOTAGE."

When the saboteur is one's spouse...they can ruin your reputation, make your career difficult, cause problems with the children, make your home look like a war zone of clutter, shoot down all your ambitions...so very depressing and demoralizing. Ya' know, I was glad our "daring & darling DexterMorgan" instantly wrote after seeing Teresa in the airport pic's...."he had to be jealous." (Yes, you could tell how fit and cute figured she was... it was good to read DM's masculine opinion of her appearance
I had a successful female client who was about to give her husband the BIG HEAVE-HO after being sabotaged for years. She lost weight, was working out, wearing stylish clothes, highlighting her hair ...and he started "stock piling money", quit taking care of the house, quit paying the bills, NEVER completed any task, etc. He tried to garner sympathy from others people by acting as if she was "over bearing and bossing him around!" When the money ran out, so did he....
(It just seems like a familiar scenario)

 

[Hoosgirl]

Here is another picture of the envelope and its content, bates # 28090 and # 28091:

-Nin

Wow, NIN, you are amazing!

I googled "taskman message" and it looks like it is from the E-MDS EMR system:

http://www.iitlv.com/healthcare-it/emd-solution-series/

Now, with all this lighter talk, does anyone remember seeing a picture of Teresa's Mercedes' glovebox? I thought there was a lighter in it. Just seemed like an awful lots of lighters floating around.

 

[No it's not]

Wow, NIN, you are amazing!

I googled "taskman message" and it looks like it is from the E-MDS EMR system:

http://www.iitlv.com/healthcare-it/emd-solution-series/

Now, with all this lighter talk, does anyone remember seeing a picture of Teresa's Mercedes' glovebox? I thought there was a lighter in it. Just seemed like an awful lots of lighters floating around.

Wow, great find Hoosgirl!

Since I am "doomed" with a good memory, here is a pic of the glove box ;--)

-Nin

 

[IQuestion]

Sorry to bring up this "possibility" as I know it is out of sequence on our current discussion. But NIN and another poster were talking about the "blood on the center console of the van".... and yet, the van seat was still in a "very forward, pulled up close the pedals." This makes perfect sense since Teresa was only 4'11"...petite for sure! It was also mentioned that one of the perps may have been hiding in the garage....and her headlights were on, THAT IS A NO BRAINER as she pulled into the garage. If the perps had just committed a murder, they still needed to "stage the end and cover up their final acts...They opened the van door with their left hand (blood on the door handle and or fingerprint/glove priint) and reached into the van to get something. I don't think it was the extra key....I THINK IT WAS A DASH CAM....THAT DASH CAM WOULD HAVE THE RECORDED VIDEO OF HER ENTERING THE GARAGE....A drop or droplets of blood would have dropped on the console!!! And, possibly supplied a video image of everything in the garage, as the garage door closed, and the perp approached.
I had been thinking about this for days.....what else would have been WORTH ENOUGH to take the time to go back and retrieve after they attacked her???? Wow...I have looked at the photos of the van...and I see a spot on the dashboard where a DASH CAM might have been suctioned on.
If anyone has a vehicle. go try it.....as you reach up to get something off the dashboard or rearview mirror, the moisture (or blood from a glove) would run down your arm, to your elbow and land on the center console. The murderers would not have to adjust the car seat to perform such an action. NOW THAT MAKES SENSE, huh? (I'm prepared to have my theory discredited, but I won't be trying to draw on any crime scene photos right now. After seeing what NIN is capable of doing with her AMAZING computer skills....I'd be too embarrassed.:blushing: )
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I wonder if anyone knows whether or not he recently purchased one?....he seems like the type who would??

 

[No it's not]

Wow, NIN, you are amazing!

I googled "taskman message" and it looks like it is from the E-MDS EMR system:

http://www.iitlv.com/healthcare-it/emd-solution-series/

Now, with all this lighter talk, does anyone remember seeing a picture of Teresa's Mercedes' glovebox? I thought there was a lighter in it. Just seemed like an awful lots of lighters floating around.

But then there is indeed a lighter in the middle console of her Mercedes. I redacted a personal item, if that's okay with the moderators.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Sorry to bring up this "possibility" as I know it is out of sequence on our current discussion. But NIN and another poster were talking about the "blood on the center console of the van".... and yet, the van seat was still in a "very forward, pulled up close the pedals." This makes perfect sense since Teresa was only 4'11"...petite for sure! It was also mentioned that one of the perps may have been hiding in the garage....and her headlights were on, THAT IS A NO BRAINER as she pulled into the garage. If the perps had just committed a murder, they still needed to "stage the end and cover up their final acts...They opened the van door with their left hand (blood on the door handle and or fingerprint/glove priint) and reach into the van to get something. I don't think it was the extra key....I THINK IT WAS A DASH CAM....THAT DASH CAM WOULD HAVE THE RECORDED VIDEO OF HER ENTERING THE GARAGE....A drop or droplets of blood would have dropped on t!!!
I had been thinking about this for days.....what else would have been WORTH ENOUGH to take the time to go back and retrieve after they attacked her???? Wow...I have looked at the photos of the van...and I see a spot on the dashboard where a DASH CAM might have been suctioned on.
If anyone has a vehicle. go try it.....as you reach up to get something off the dashboard or rearview mirror, the moisture (or blood from a glove) would run down your arm, to your elbow and land on the center console. The murderers would not have to adjust the car seat to perform such an action. NOW THAT MAKES SENSE, huh? (I'm prepared to have my theory discredited, but I won't be trying to draw on any crime scene photos right now. After seeing what NIN is capable of doing with her AMAZING computer skills....I'd be too embarrassed.:blushing: )
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I wonder if anyone knows whether or not he recently purchased one?....he seems like the type who would??

Dash cam is possible, if the killers thought they may have been recorded. That could have been the case, if they had entered the garage with her (recording, reflection, shadows?). I thought too the blood spot may have come off one of her killers, when reaching up to the mirror area. Now, there is a key dangling up there..just saying,

-Nin

 

[Timekeeper65]

Whoo hooo IQuestion I am seeing double. LOVE your comments.

 

[creepingskills]

First time I've noticed this indiscreetly placed weed pipe in the van.

Regardless of my personal opinion about weed, leaving a pipe in plain view like this is so stupid. Especially in Florida! I bet TS didn't even notice the pipe that busy morning they left for the airport in the van, or coming home the dark. MS is such a liability.:maddening:

 

[creepingskills]

duplicate post....sorry

My best guess is a bloody CWW/JR retrieved a key or something else entirely hanging from the paper clip (?) dash decor.

 

[irishchook]

Wow, great find Hoosgirl!

Since I am "doomed" with a good memory, here is a pic of the glove box ;--)

-Nin

You're not doomed. We all like your disability ��

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[creepingskills]

Why is MS smoking in his van? If he was trying to shield the girls, well why not go in the lanai after they're asleep? I bet he usually does just that. Doesn't the van smell the next day? Does the older daughter wonder what that pipe is for? What I'm getting at is...he's probably not sitting in the van in the garage smoking. He's out smoking in public which makes no sense because he could smoke at home.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

And why hasn't LE used this to their advantage? FL has strict possession laws, right? It's not unusual for LE to bring losers like MS in on lesser charges.

I hope the Department of Children and Families has added this to their file.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Dash cam is possible, if the killers thought they may have been recorded. That could have been the case, if they had entered the garage with her (recording, reflection, shadows?). I thought too the blood spot may have come off one of her killers, when reaching up to the mirror area. Now, there is a key dangling up there..just saying,

-Nin

Or maybe one of them reached over the console to get something (maybe the back pack?)that was on the passenger seat. I'm thinking back pack because it was found on garage floor rummaged through (staged). I don't think she took it out of her car. I think either JR or CWW did in an effort to stage the scene. Just a thought.

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[IQuestion]

Dash cam is possible, if the killers thought they may have been recorded. That could have been the case, if they had entered the garage with her (recording, reflection, shadows?). I thought too the blood spot may have come off one of her killers, when reaching up to the mirror area. Now, there is a key dangling up there..just saying,

-Nin

Yes the key makes sense...I read your "well thought out theory" of the key being replaced. In which case...fingerprints or blood smeared glove would be invaluable evidence of not only a cover-up but also premeditation. (But, you are much smarter than the perps). Of course, they would have to know exactly which key she used, an EASIER explanation (or simple one) removing a portable dash cam, which MS would have alerted them to in advance! The camera might even have shown the laundry door ajar, and therefore no key needed.
It makes me wonder WHY MS told police she called to say she had landed safely, got something to eat, BUT YET FORGOT TO MENTION, (saboteur at work) AND I TOLD HER THE ALARM WOULD BE OFF, too! Instead, he proffered the erroneous theory his mother, must have disarmed it. However, BS never stated that she locked the laundry door, did she??? So, even if the perps had locked the laundry door, forcing Teresa to look for a key... (just follow my thoughts, ok?) How could they even be sure Teresa would remember there was a laundry room key hanging on the rear view mirror? It was late at night, she had been in airports for hours and was probably bone tired. (You are giving them too much credit, imo)
I think I am onto something. It was reading your detailed post about the key and one of the [...B]perps hiding in the garage[/B] that had me thinking about this in the first place. I just don't give Tweedle-Dumb and Tweedle-Dumber that much credit for the "replacing key" scenario. I think they just ripped off the portable dash cam. Something in that van, besides the console blood droplet, made LE TAKE THE VAN INTO EVIDENCE. I think the "clean spot" where a dash cam (or like portable GPS device) was located, will be eventually come up. The key scenario involves "too much planning on their part and leaves too much to chance" ...they needed her to enter the house quickly, not have time to think about why the dogs were not barking with joy and excitement at the door. They didn't want her to have even 3 seconds to think something was wrong....

 

[howonkee]

I agree with mikeinmo's explanation of how the door could be pried open. Without the deadbolt engaged, it would be relatively easy to pry open. I would also add that I think the damage that was actually done to the door doesn't really fit. The only pry mark that shows any force is the one that fractured the door. The others look like they were put there for the sole purpose of making pry marks rather than as attempts to successfully pry the door open. And I can't see how the fracture would facilitate prying the door open. In fact, it seems to me that the fracture would actually eliminate the resistance necessary to provide the leverage needed to open the door. And the fracture happened because the prying force was applied too close to the exterior surface of the door. I would think that inserting the pry bar as deeply as possible into the gap between door and frame and then prying with the force necessary to disengage the latch would have resulted in deeper pry bar impressions nearer the interior surface of the door.

I feel like my explanation is as clear as mud. What I'm trying to get across is that the damage to the door looks staged in that it looks like they wanted it to be obvious that someone pried the door open, but the damage done isn't really consistent with effectively opening the door. Does that make sense to anyone besides me?

Your explanation is very clear! Thank you Scout and mikeinmo for answering my question so well. It does make perfect sense!

 

[Hoosgirl]

But then there is indeed a lighter in the middle console of her Mercedes. I redacted a personal item, if that's okay with the moderators.

-Nin

NIN, again, you are simply amazing. I knew I saw one somewhere, but I would never have found it again!

 

[Frigga]

From the insurance paperwork we know she used to smoke cigarettes and it appears at least one of them smoked pot- maybe they both did? I can't see her starting to smoke again- no matter how stressful life had become. She of all people would know how bad it is and how hard it is to quit. Odd.

 

[Deleted member 159541]

From the insurance paperwork we know she used to smoke cigarettes and it appears at least one of them smoked pot- maybe they both did? I can't see her starting to smoke again- no matter how stressful life had become. She of all people would know how bad it is and how hard it is to quit. Odd.

Once she quit many years ago, Teresa was vehemently against smoking cigarettes - and preached this to friends and clients alike.