2016.01.07 Discovery Docs Batch 3 - Crime Scene Images included

[mckazpm]

Can a doctor prescribe medical marijuana in the state of Florida?

Also, I see what appears to be children's "silly bands" connected and hanging down from the mirror (?) am I missing a key or a paperclip, or is that just a theory?

 

[atthelake]

Can a doctor prescribe medical marijuana in the state of Florida?

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No .. According to my own knowledge and below link

https://www.mpp.org/states/florida/

 

[No it's not]

Yes the key makes sense...I read your "well thought out theory" of the key being replaced. In which case...fingerprints or blood smeared glove would be invaluable evidence of not only a cover-up but also premeditation. (But, you are much smarter than the perps). Of course, they would have to know exactly which key she used, an EASIER explanation (or simple one) removing a portable dash cam, which MS would have alerted them to in advance! The camera might even have shown the laundry door ajar, and therefore no key needed.
It makes me wonder WHY MS told police she called to say she had landed safely, got something to eat, BUT YET FORGOT TO MENTION, (saboteur at work) AND I TOLD HER THE ALARM WOULD BE OFF, too! Instead, he proffered the erroneous theory his mother, must have disarmed it. However, BS never stated that she locked the laundry door, did she??? So, even if the perps had locked the laundry door, forcing Teresa to look for a key... (just follow my thoughts, ok?) How could they even be sure Teresa would remember there was a laundry room key hanging on the rear view mirror? It was late at night, she had been in airports for hours and was probably bone tired. (You are giving them too much credit, imo)
I think I am onto something. It was reading your detailed post about the key and one of the [...B]perps hiding in the garage[/B] that had me thinking about this in the first place. I just don't give Tweedle-Dumb and Tweedle-Dumber that much credit for the "replacing key" scenario. I think they just ripped off the portable dash cam. Something in that van, besides the console blood droplet, made LE TAKE THE VAN INTO EVIDENCE. I think the "clean spot" where a dash cam (or like portable GPS device) was located, will be eventually come up. The key scenario involves "too much planning on their part and leaves too much to chance" ...they needed her to enter the house quickly, not have time to think about why the dogs were not barking with joy and excitement at the door. They didn't want her to have even 3 seconds to think something was wrong....

I hear you, IQ. Things were probably much simpler. I equally like DebbyGarcia's comment!

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

I really like your thought of the killer(s) possibly reaching for the backpack. She had another purse placed inside that backpack. Now her wallet and her cell phone may have been lifted from either that purse inside her backpack, or the items may have been taken out of her purse inside the house sitting on the chair with the blue cover.

Since at the airport she used her AMEX card, which was inside her wallet, her backpack may have been very well sitting on the passenger's seat for access while paying her parking ticket, if her wallet was inside that purse.

-Nin

 

[human]

Losers get custody of their kids everyday in the U.S. and shared custody is now the norm. Heck, the judge allowed MS to keep the girls in December.

I think TS was working an escape plan and getting her ducks in a row. The most dangerous time for a victim of DV is when she leaves her abuser and I think TS underestimated her opponent.

I actually worked with victims of DA so I am aware but thank goodness never had personal experience.

An escape plan involves going where the abuser cannot find you. She would have an impossible time to do that being a doctor.

She felt comfortable leaving the children with him day after day.

I don't know if she considered herself a victim and I sincerely doubt she had a clue that he is a psychopath.

I cannot imagine what her options would have been to leave him

 

[east2west]

I really like your thought of the killer(s) possibly reaching for the backpack. She had another purse placed inside that backpack. Now her wallet and her cell phone may have been lifted from either that purse inside her backpack, or the items may have been taken out of her purse inside the house sitting on the chair with the blue cover.

Since at the airport she used her AMEX card, which was inside her wallet, her backpack may have been very well sitting on the passenger's seat for access while paying her parking ticket, if her wallet was inside that purse.

-Nin

I agree. The blood droplet on the van console came from one of the two killers who most likely reached into van to rifle through items left in the van like one would see in a typical automobile break-in, or to lift a specific item from the van like a pocketbook/purse. The single droplet mostly likely is from one reaching in to grab something from the passenger seat. jmo

 

[Scout]

I agree. The blood droplet on the van console came from one of the two killers who most likely reached into van to rifle through items left in the van like one would see in a typical automobile break-in, or to lift a specific item from the van like a pocketbook/purse. The single droplet mostly likely is from one reaching in to grab something from the passenger seat. jmo

Are there any photos of that droplet with an evidence marker?

 

[mikeinmo]

I've always wondered when the friend/family member who said that TS told her she wanted to divorce MS was told. If I had to guess, I'd say April/May is when MS discovered TS's exit plan without her knowledge.

If it was April/May just in time for the wedding of CWW and AW in Missouri to plan

 

[east2west]

Are there any photos of that droplet with an evidence marker?

I did not see a evidence marker on the console photograph. The discussion I was responding to was regarding the blood droplet and the possibility of the perp reaching in for either a dashcam or a key hanging from the rearview mirror.

 

[Scout]

I was looking at the pry marks on the door again and noticed that there appears to be red paint from the pry bar on the face plate and screw on the latch assembly. Also I noticed a shallow gouge mark with striations on the face plate (near the upper outside corner) that may provide for the identification of the pry bar used if it was found by investigators.

 

[atthelake]

Are there any photos of that droplet with an evidence marker?

Are your thoughts /concerns that if there was no evidence marker, that there was not a DNA sample taken of that blood droplet?

Even if not... I guess it begs the question... if we don't see an evidence marker on something, does that make it more likely that the item was not taken into evidence and/or wasn't covered by the subpoena?

:thinking:

 

[Scout]

Are your thoughts /concerns that if there was no evidence marker, that there was not a DNA sample taken of that blood droplet?

Even if not... I guess it begs the question... if we don't see an evidence marker on something, does that make it more likely that the item was not taken into evidence and/or wasn't covered by the subpoena?

:thinking:

No, the lack of a photo with an evidence marker may simply mean that we don't have that photo in the document release yet. Crime scene photos are taken first with it as found, completely undisturbed. Then the markers are placed and another round of photos is taken.

ETA: It's quite possible that they photographed the van and processed its exterior at the scene and then processed the interior (to include photos with evidence markers) at the forensics unit or police impound facility.

 

[al66pine]

FL is an "equitable distribution" state. Generally speaking, assets are divided "equitably" by a judge who considers the length of the marriage, the amount earned or earning potential of each, assets, whether or not that spouse supports children as the custodial parent. In my state, the issue of spousal support is relevant in determining "equitable distribution" of the assets.

After a very brief research session, I now know that FL has two types of discretionary spousal support, permanent or rehabilitative (short term). IMO, MS would absolutely argue he's at least entitled to rehabilitative alimony. MS, presumably would no longer be employed by TS's business and may have succeeded with obtaining temporary support.

Specially a FL judge would consider:
-the standard of living established while married;
-the length of the marriage;
-the age and health of each party;
-the financial resources and assets of each party;
-when applicable, the time necessary for either party to acquire sufficient education or training to enable such party to find appropriate employment;
-the contribution of each party to the marriage, including, but not limited to, services rendered in homemaking, child care, education, and career building of the other party:stormingmad:; and
-all sources of income available to either party.

Snipped from CS's post: "Generally speaking, assets are divided "equitably" by a judge who considers the length of the marriage, the amount earned or earning potential of each, assets, whether or not that spouse supports children as the custodial parent."

Creepingskills
Thx very much for your analysis ^ re judicial div of prop in FL dissolution of marriage.

Would a judge make a decision wrt div of assets only when there is no pre-nup?
IOW, if MS & TS had a pre-nup & ea had own counsel for pre-nup, w terms addressing div of prop on dis/marriage, is it likely, iyo, that a judge would override it or substitute his/her judgment for the pre-nup's terms?

Would that also hold true for issue of perm or rehab spousal support, that a judge would not be likely to override/nullify terms of pre-nup, if pre-nup addresses issue?

If they had pre-nup, is it poss the pre-nup's terms re spousal support and/or div of assets changes drastically after a specified number of yrs of marriage, e.g., 10 yrs? 12? 15? I don't recall how long MS & TS had bn married.

Thx in adv.

 

[jtate0702]

My best guess is a bloody CWW/JR retrieved a key or something else entirely hanging from the paper clip (?) dash decor.

I think this is a possibility, for sure. Remember the other silly band (for lack of a better term, it looks like those kid toys silly bands) or wire left on the counter at the crime scene? Could have been from the van, hanging something up. On that topic, I have never seen a grown man use paper clips and rubber bands and odds and ends to decorate/hang things up before? Like a sad attempt to be clever or inventive? Is this just weird to me? Photos below:

 

[Dmacky]

What about the 3 dents in the wood part of the door on the garage side. It looks like some kind of tool was used to hit it, causing dents AFTER the door was already opened.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87650

 

[Frigga]

^^^ Maybe one of the girls made them?

 

[Scout]

What about the 3 dents in the wood part of the door on the garage side. It looks like some kind of tool was used to hit it, causing dents AFTER the door was already opened.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87650

I believe I see 9 pry marks on the edge of the door. A few of them are partially obscured by the splintering. One of them is barely visible because the majority of the tool edge was against the brass face plate. And one of them overlaps another pry mark.

ETA: Looking at #28322, I think I'll change my estimation to 10 pry marks.

 

[No it's not]

Someone on another thread was referring to the note that marks mother left for Teresa.. included something about carrots.

The comments made by the poster... I don't understand the meaning behind the commenting .

If somebody has access to throw up a screenshot of what the person is referring to, would be much appreciated

TIA

That's batch # 29005 and # 29006:

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

There are several pictures of the Master Bedroom in the third doc dump. You may recall the tray/ medical over-bed table on the foot end/left side of the bed:

Look at the items of the tray and then look at this photograph, Bates # 29633:

I assume the items on the tray were looked trough, moved, photographed etc. multiple times. Now I am interested in basically 3 items found on this tray:

• The journal/notebook on top of the pile

This is TS' handwriting and her journal/notebook

• The book "Energy Healing Experiments" by Gary Schwartz (and another book I am not sure about) , TS was into energy healing (videos,LS etc.)

https://books.google.com/books?id=l...IQ6wEIMDAA#v=onepage&q=energy healing&f=false

• The tissue box

There are quite a few tissue boxes located throughout the house (kitchen, family room, bedroom(s), kids, MS office, garage (freezer), van, Mercedes (used tissue in drivers side door). Allergies? Or did they (all) have a cold at some time?

• The small pouch

What is/was inside that pouch?

If you look back at the first picture, there is also a briefcase located on the left side of the bed. Either TS was sleeping on the left side of the bed -since the tray is over that side- and just left the briefcase there for some reason before departing However, the right side of the bed/nightstand looks more organized, or she indeed caught a cold and was sleeping by herself that last night (only then?).

If she indeed had a cold, is it possible that the killers may have caught something too? Yes, they most likely wore protective clothing and possibly masks. But we don't know that and hence there is a chance.

-Nin

 

[Timekeeper65]

NIN, my first thought is Band-Aid inside a baggie. I actually keep some in a baggie for easier access to the size I need. Because I bought the wrong box of Band-AIDS, with different sizes, and only use one size. But it may be something else entirely.

ETA: This is in response to the photo posted by NIN. Forgot to reply with quote.