23 March 2010: Friend reports Josh says mine shaft best for hiding body

[pip]

Playing devils advocate here.

Josh and kids head out of town leaving wife at home alone. Someone she knows, say a neighbor next door comes over and sees a chance for a little romance. After all she has been consulting him on her marital problems and he was quick to point a finger at Josh when she went missing.

Not that I believe any of that but you can bet the defense would come up with a story like that and all they have to do is convince 1 jury member.

I see what your saying. Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part :angel: I just want to see him arrested and the children safe with Susan's family.

 

[grayjay]

Playing devils advocate here.

Josh and kids head out of town leaving wife at home alone. Someone she knows, say a neighbor next door comes over and sees a chance for a little romance. After all she has been consulting him on her marital problems and he was quick to point a finger at Josh when she went missing.

Not that I believe any of that but you can bet the defense would come up with a story like that and all they have to do is convince 1 jury member.

The neighbor is watching the house instead of sleeping and sees the van leaving. But the person you have in mind isn't in the same cul-de-sac AFAIK. And motive? Got motive? She didn't invite him over and he got rejected? As hard as I try, I can't make this story work. I don't think the defense can, either.

 

[gwenabob]

Playing devils advocate here.

Josh and kids head out of town leaving wife at home alone. Someone she knows, say a neighbor next door comes over and sees a chance for a little romance. After all she has been consulting him on her marital problems and he was quick to point a finger at Josh when she went missing.

Not that I believe any of that but you can bet the defense would come up with a story like that and all they have to do is convince 1 jury member.

But you still have some problems with this scenario. Why would a love-struck neighbor be watching the house at 12:30 am the night before work? How would he be so lucky dumb- Josh would spontaneously take both boys camping at that ridiculous hour? How would he know where the carpet cleaner was and how to use it? How would he lock the door behind him without using Susan's keys? How would he get her body out of the house without anybody seeing him or leaving heavy footprints? Remember, there were no tire tracks in the driveway the next morning which was what led the family to think nobody had left the house that morning.

I see where this defense might be tried, but there are just too many holes in it for it to work.

 

[sunnydee]

But you still have some problems with this scenario. Why would a love-struck neighbor be watching the house at 12:30 am the night before work? How would he be so lucky dumb- Josh would spontaneously take both boys camping at that ridiculous hour? How would he know where the carpet cleaner was and how to use it? How would he lock the door behind him without using Susan's keys? How would he get her body out of the house without anybody seeing him or leaving heavy footprints? Remember, there were no tire tracks in the driveway the next morning which was what led the family to think nobody had left the house that morning.

I see where this defense might be tried, but there are just too many holes in it for it to work.

One would wonder why a lovesick neighbor waited until Josh left the 2nd time, and not when he took the boys sledding earlier that evening from 5 to 8 pm (about). Also, if he happened to see/hear the Powell's van leave around midnight - would one be able to be absolutely certain who was actually in the van (at that time of night/distance?) The camping trip was not planned in advance. For all the hypothetical lovesick guy knows - the entire family could have been in the van, or Susan could have been driving (and Josh was left at home), or Josh could have been leaving by himself. Why would Mr. Lovesick presume that the family minus Susan would be leaving for the entire night on a work night? (Unless he too forgot to go to church). For all Mr. Lovesick knows, either Susan or Josh went out to buy cough syrup at a grocery store and would be back within a few minutes.


That, plus as you mentioned the lack of track/footprints in the snow in the driveway, sidewalk after the snow had fallen.

 

[grayjay]

Love the cough syrup in there. Poor Mr. Lovesick. He's full of holes.

 

[dovebar]

These are all excellent points.

However, I agree with the poster that you only need 1 person to hang a jury. Not all people think rationally or follow evidence and could get the unlikeliness of the "other person" theory.

It's not that uncommon for police to have a prime suspect and let that person remain free until they have all the pieces of the prosecution in place. It's just infuriating for us on the outside, especially as everyone is worried about the boys. In fact, they sometimes let the person remain free for specific reasons that I'm not going to go into (even if they might be obvious).

I just hope there's justice for Susan and that it isn't too long in coming.

 

[Bartleby]

But you still have some problems with this scenario. Why would a love-struck neighbor be watching the house at 12:30 am the night before work? How would he be so lucky dumb- Josh would spontaneously take both boys camping at that ridiculous hour? How would he know where the carpet cleaner was and how to use it? How would he lock the door behind him without using Susan's keys? How would he get her body out of the house without anybody seeing him or leaving heavy footprints? Remember, there were no tire tracks in the driveway the next morning which was what led the family to think nobody had left the house that morning.

I see where this defense might be tried, but there are just too many holes in it for it to work.

Possible because he got woken by the van alarm at 11:45pm? I can't count the number of times I've been woken in the night by car alarms, and took a while to get back to sleep. If a neighbor was woken by the alarm, they might then hear the garage opening and the van leaving and see the Josh driving, the passenger seat empty (no Susan), and put two and two together and go see if Susan is OK.

I don't for a moment believe that's what happened btw.

The most compelling reason for for me to believe that Josh is guilty is that he is acting as if he is guilty, and has done so since receiving a call fro JoVonna at 3pm Monday Dec 7th and failing to go straight home.

Concealment, evasion of questions, solo travel while tellignn nobody where he is going, not appealing to the public or media for help, not talking to close friends and family in Utah for help, and running away from the crime scene because he can't bear the daily reminders of what he did. IMO

 

[RubyRed]

I sure hope if Susan was put in a mine shaft or something similar it does not take as long to find her as it did this man, He went missing in the 60's and was just found, and it was suspected all along that he was in a well.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/28/13756601-qmi.html?cid=rssnewscanada

Or this UID woman who it was estimated went missing in Canada around 1900-1920 and was found in a well in 2006. This woman may never be identified. It seems here if you put them in a well you get away with murder.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/498ufsk.html

 

[grayjay]

I shudder to think it. I still want to think they're looking in those old mines. Has anyone talked to LE recently, who might know how many people are still assigned to the case? It's going on five months, now.

 

[nitasch]

In regards to the boys seeing anything that happened that night...I don't think it is a stretch to anticipate that little kids will sleep through most things in the middle of the night especially if they are in a warm environment.

I always preferred to travel at night with my kids because they would fall asleep shortly after getting on the road, and sleep till we got to our destination, and would typically have to be carried in from the vehicle because they were still asleep.

If they really did go sledding earlier in the evening, they would be worn out and ready to sleep... load them in the car near midnight (probably already asleep) get on the road, they would zonk out pretty fast. Travel a couple hours, make a stop, for the kids to remain sleeping is not hard to fathom. JMO.