4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[maconrich]

Lol. I guess I’m smarter than I look, I’m still convinced I stole that from someone, but who the hell cares.

What matters is that the more cases you follow, the more you learn. For me, that’s why I do it.

Thank you for the laugh -- I needed it! It really was a great call though and you def deserve credit for it.

 

[jepop]

New on Case Summary today:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/051923%20REDACTED%20Order%20Regarding%20Notice%20of%20Hearing%20Zoom%20Information.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/051923%20Second%20Amended%20Notice%20of%20Hearing%20Criminal%201.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/051923%20Second%20Amended%20Notice%20of%20Hearing%20Criminal.pdf

Thanks for posting these up. I think the first two might be related to the the Motion to Compel Hearing sceduled for 11am 22nd May, and the third to the non-dissemination stuff. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

And for the record, an Alford plea is where the defendant accepts the consequences of a guilty plea, while still claiming innocence.

I think it's quite a long shot that the state would offer an Alford plea. Anything is possible, but I don't see that happening.

JMO

 

[jepop]

One more new filing in Case Summary today:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/051923%20Second%20Amended%20Order%20Vacating%20Hearing%20%20Setting%20Scheduling%20Conference%20for%20Motion%20Re%20Amended%20Nondisseminati.pdf

Thanks @SpiderFalcon. So this one is the second amended scheduling order re setting scheduling conference for motion re amended non-disemination order. Legal language certainly becomes very detailed in the name of accuracy!

"...Ordered that a Scheduling Conference Re: Goncalves’ Motion to Appeal,Amend,and/or Clarify Amended Nondissemination Order and the Associated Press, et al’s Motion to Intervene and Motion to Vacate the Amended Nondissemination Order will be held on May 22, 2023, at10:00 a.m. PST in person (See Second Amended Notice of Hearing)"

There will be a fair bit going on on Mon May 22nd from what I can gather. Looks like:

9am:
BK Arraignment

10am: Scheduling conference re Motion to Intervene and Motion to Vacate the Amended Nondissemination Order

11am:
Hearing re Defense's Motion to Compel.

MOO

Am just catching up so apologies if this is repetitive.

EBM fixed detail in 10am event.

 

[jepop]

Dateline also just reported that a classmate of BK at Pullman had someone break into her apartment and not take anything, but move things around. She didn't report it to LE because nothing was taken. But she did call BK and he offered to go over to her apartment and have a look. He recommended she install a video security system and he offered to install it. So she did, and he did install it. And he knew the password, since he installed it. Just an interesting fact they reported, since Dateline is looking at the possibility that the murders followed a progression of actions by BK.

Also, in Moscow, close to the King Road House, about a month or so before (IIRC) a student who lived in a sorority nearby reported that she had left a suitcase in her car overnight, and in the morning the suitcase was found outside of her car. And stuff she had in her car in the center console, etc. were now in the suitcase. And a piece of her underwear that had been in her suitcase was placed in a cubby area of her side door console. Creepy and weird, police came and took a report, agreed it was weird. No proof this was related to BK, but they wonder if BK was progressing toward the murders by taking steps of peeping, doing odd things.

Now they wonder if BK was involved in some of these reports around the time before the murders and in the area.

@Sundog. Thanks for the summary in para one! I haven't had a chance to watch this episode of Dateline yet. Just wanted to ask where the info in your second paragraph comes from? An earlier episode of Dateline? TIA

ETA: wait, I probably readyour post wrong. I think you're saying all in para 2 is also from the current Dateline. Thank you! Will need to have a watch when I can.

 

[IDK]

I understand because a lot of people forget or don't know how our judicial system is supposed to work. Many people are influenced by MSM or worse SM, both of which tend to side with the victim(s) and promote sensationalism rather than objective reporting of facts.

That doesn't mean I agree, but I understand how those influences affect rational thinking.

Agreeing with you and Sister Golden hair here. I realize this will likely get buried by the revelations (?) from Dateline, but wanted to add an insight I heard the other day while following the Lucy Letby case.

A legal specialist was interviewed and made the point ( that we’re all well aware of) that since MSM focuses on lurid details in order to get clicks, any evidence that might point towards innocence may be ignored by MSM— it’s just not as exciting. He mentioned this especially happens during the trial period— MSM does not focus on the defense so that when a jury does find someone not guilty, the public may be shocked and disbelieving.

MSM is not really our friend, IMO.

All IMO.

 

[jepop]

Thanks for the Dateline updates. But no to so many things.

The purchase of a K-bar knife, his family and maybe the id's seem new. The rest has been tossed around on reddit, youtube and / or NewsNation for a while now. Some for a long while. All with anon sources or from someone close to someone who knows someone. So just no. Not until / unless factual info is released by legit sources, which at this point seems to mean not until trial. IMO

If legit sources are running their mouths to the media, they need to find new professions: ones that don't require following the law or professional standards. All MOO because I'm not using quotes and I'm not going to wade thru the garbage - wearing gloves or not, to find the assorted posts.

And as for Papa R being BK, that poster didn't even put MM and KG in the right room and seems like wrong places for Ethan and Xana too. The rooms the other two girls were in was also wrong, but I can give that one a pass since the killer might not have known that DM was on the second floor. And as many have noted here, @MassGuy also mentioned the sheath, and seems like he said it before PR did.

The gag order might be making it hard for media to come up with credible articles / programs, but IMO that shouldn't mean they can pull up crap from social media or where ever and pass it off as the truth. I might or might not try to watch the Dateline episode, but I'm leaning toward not, mainly because I can go to one of the aliens abducted my baby type sites and read /watch the same thing. IMO

MOO, IMO, etc

Edited because I almost always have to change a word or format, and this time is no different.

IMO, it's always important to read all media reporting with a critical eye, especially headlines. Personally, I prefer at all times to inform myself through court documents and LE statements when they are available; what I think of as 'the horse's mouth' (credit to @Cool Cats ) rather than what is reported about what came out of 'the horse's mouth' lol. I never do sm (that's why I'm here!).

Haven't watched Dateline yet, but will do so with a critical eye and ear to sources etc and so forth. MOo

EBM for clarity

 

[maconrich]

IMO, it's always important to read all media reporting with a critical eye, especially headlines. Personally, I prefer at all times to inform myself through court documents and LE statements when they are available; what I think of as 'the horse's mouth' (credit to @Cool Cats ) rather than what is reported about what came out of 'the horse's mouth' lol. I never do sm (that's why I'm here!).

Haven't watched Dateline yet, but will do so with a critical eye and ear to sources etc and so forth. MOo

EBM for clarity

I totally agree. I also like to watch livestreams and such, and I'm hoping they'll provide the raw / unedited footage of the hearings on Monday (after the fact of course), so we can see exactly what was said (and know what wasn't).

 

[maconrich]

I will never forget, within a few days of their murders, he reportedly said this to his neighbor:
Bryan Kohberger Told Neighbor Idaho Murders Were a 'Crime of Passion' and Cops Had 'No Leads' Weeks Before He Was Arrested.
"Bryan Kohberger reportedly told a neighbor that he believed the unsolved killings were a "crime of passion", weeks before he was arrested as the prime suspect in the brutal stabbings of the four Idaho university students. "

The neighbor described how Kohberger questioned him about the murders in November days after they took place. However, he did not want to reveal his name. "He brought it up in conversation, asked if I'd heard about the murders. Which I had," he said."

"At the time of our conversation it was only a few days after it happened. There wasn't much detail out," he said."

Design to deflect and set a ruse much? MOO

RSBM

That comment by BK seemed, IMHO, to reflect what the media was reporting in the days after the murders. The crime of passion statement seems to have originated with Moscow's major, or at least he's the one being used as a source in assorted articles including the one I'm linking.

I think we're going to find out a lot about BK and really don't see the need for the media to dramatize things that aren't unusual or at least not alarmingly so. IMHO.

"Moscow Mayor Art Bettge said a property crime “gone wrong” or a “crime of passion” were possible explanations in the deaths of University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20; Madison Mogen, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21."

dated 14 Nov 2022

No clear answers in deaths of 4 Idaho students found dead near campus, mayor says

The mayor of Moscow, Idaho, said the University of Idaho students could have been victims of a property crime "gone wrong" or a "crime of passion."

www.nbcnews.com

Edited to change quote and link because I'm not sure the original was approved source. Sorry about that!
Edited again to clarify that my response isn't directed at you @Twistinginthewind !!

 

[schooling]

If someone can search back to the first person who suggested that he left the sheath behind, please post it with their username. It was genius, and they deserve all the credit in the world for their line of thinking.

On Reddit the day after the murders….

I did a deep dive awhile back to disprove the “BK had to be ________ online!” nonsense. The sheath suggestion one of those accounts made on 11/30 is often cited as irrefutable proof.

There were already dozens of references by that date. Some even crediting them to LE friends.

BUT…if you came up with that on your own you’re still deserving of props.

 

[wary]

Agreeing with you and Sister Golden hair here. I realize this will likely get buried by the revelations (?) from Dateline, but wanted to add an insight I heard the other day while following the Lucy Letby case.

A legal specialist was interviewed and made the point ( that we’re all well aware of) that since MSM focuses on lurid details in order to get clicks, any evidence that might point towards innocence may be ignored by MSM— it’s just not as exciting. He mentioned this especially happens during the trial period— MSM does not focus on the defense so that when a jury does find someone not guilty, the public may be shocked and disbelieving.

MSM is not really our friend, IMO.

All IMO.

Actually, my belief is that MSM, specially with its ‘experts,’ gives plenty of attention to the defense side—in many cases overstating that side, perhaps to keep interest up—make it a ‘horse race.’ And the result tends to be a feeling of shock when the jury, who saw the whole case, comes back with guilty verdicts.

When/if this case comes to trial, it’ll be interesting to see if that pattern holds true.

MOO

 

[arielilane]

The man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November of 2022 is charged with four counts of murder and one count of burglary.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659836869679390720

https://twitter.com/KING5Seattle/

Bryan Kohberger to enter plea to murder, burglary charges on Monday

The man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November of 2022 is charged with four counts of murder and one count of burglary.

www.king5.com

Updated: 10:38 PM PDT May 19, 2023

“People want to understand the ‘why’ and that has not been articulated here,” said Seattle University Professor of Law Deirdre Bowen.

Brown says it may be some time before the case goes to trial – with much to be decided beforehand. It's likely the defense will advocate for a change of venue.

“This is a case that has captured national attention to be sure but one of the reasons to do a change of venue is not to find people who are absolutely unfamiliar with the case but to perhaps find a location where they’re less emotionally invested or attached to the case,” Bowen.

And then there’s the potential for the state to pursue the death penalty – a decision that will need to be made before the case goes to trial – a sentence that experts say could slow down the legal process.

 

[IDK]

Actually, my belief is that MSM, specially with its ‘experts,’ gives plenty of attention to the defense side—in many cases overstating that side, perhaps to keep interest up—make it a ‘horse race.’ And the result tends to be a feeling of shock when the jury, who saw the whole case, comes back with guilty verdicts.

When/if this case comes to trial, it’ll be interesting to see if that pattern holds true.

MOO

Interesting observation! I’ll try to find the name of the legal consultant I was paraphrasing who thought the opposite.

Editing to add— either way I guess the takeaway is that oftentimes, not always, MSM does not portray a balanced view.

 

[arielilane]

Source said that during the holidays, his sister brought up that BK had taken to wearing gloves, he had been near the Idaho killings, and drove an Elantra. She brought him up as a suspect, his Dad disagreed. Some family members went outside to look for evidence in the Elantra.

Thank you and everybody who provided updates. So interesting that his visiting sister suspected BK. They never mentioned if she (sister) smelled bleach, as BK had already cleaned the car prior to sister going out to the car. Ended up watching DL via west coast time.

 

[arielilane]

Loved ones remember Maddie, Kaylee, Ethan and Xana #Dateline

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659755472478433283

https://twitter.com/DatelineNBC

 

[Rolypolyoly]

If someone can search back to the first person who suggested that he left the sheath behind, please post it with their username. It was genius, and they deserve all the credit in the world for their line of thinking.

I am almost 100% sure it was @Tealgrove who posted it here first, this is just from memory though and I'm too lazy to search .
I can't speak for anywhere else though, I haven't followed the case on reddit.

 

[arielilane]

On Dateline tonight, various experts are saying that they believe that BK was likely in the house before, showing up at a crowded party and checking out the layout. Part of his progression from peeping, watching them through windows, to actually entering the house.

This made sense to me that BK possibly in the house prior to the murders. Considering the layout of the house, he would have had to be somewhat familiar with property. moo

 

[schooling]

The Amazon tidbit is new’ish. In that Dateline seemed pretty confident that it was the source of the knife and sheath (they are sold together new) AND that BK brought it with him from PA to ID on his move.

I had originally speculated that Blue Ridge led investigators to a brick and mortar retailer where BK bought the knife. But if I take another look at the warrants and dates of return and timing of subsequent warrants…

It’s totally possible that LE got a hit on the Amazon warrant confirming that BK purchased a KaBar knife and sheath.

Interested in tracing the sheath (and the likely knife that came with it) all the way back to the creator KaBar who supplied dates, manufacturing info, and the distributors who got them -> to the specific distributor of said sheath batch BlueRidge -> to the Amazon retailers who received the KaBar identified batches from BlueRidge and sold it to BK.

Leaving no doubt as to its origins and the chain it followed to end up at the home on King St. Hence the sudden disappearance of warrants related to the purchase of the knife and sheath

MOO

 

[Montecore1]

Dateline is saying that BK purchased the KaBar and the sheath on Amazon before he left for school in Pullman??

Now Dateline is stating that BK befriended a female classmate (sorry not sure if grad student or underclassman), he installed cameras for her after a break-in. Supposedly he was actually considered a suspect in said break-in. Dateline talking heads wonder if it was orchestrated and part of his escalation toward murder.

Was he considered a suspect in the break-in before he was considered a suspect in the killings?

Dateline said the woman didn’t report it because nothing was stolen, just some of her things had been ”rearranged “ in her bedroom and bathroom.

They said that looking back it now appears that BK could have done it. She called him for advice and he came over and installed security cameras for her. He knew her Wi-Fi password so they are saying he did it to feel like a hero and also a sense of control. He might have gone on to spy on her which they say perpetrator will do before they escalate to harming someone.

I don’t know if all of this is actually from investigators on the case or opinions of the guests on Dateline.

I remember the second episode, and indeed, it left a very strange feeling, as if someone deeply ill spend a night in a girl's car, engaged in some weirdness. I remember the policemen advised the inhabitants to install cameras, and if I am not mistaken, they did it.

Im surprised that Dateline didn't have an unnamed "source" linking BCK to JonBenet Ramsey and the Black Dahlia cases...

 

[Helechawagirl]

Dateline also just reported that a classmate of BK at Pullman had someone break into her apartment and not take anything, but move things around. She didn't report it to LE because nothing was taken. But she did call BK and he offered to go over to her apartment and have a look. He recommended she install a video security system and he offered to install it. So she did, and he did install it. And he knew the password, since he installed it. Just an interesting fact they reported, since Dateline is looking at the possibility that the murders followed a progression of actions by BK.

Also, in Moscow, close to the King Road House, about a month or so before (IIRC) a student who lived in a sorority nearby reported that she had left a suitcase in her car overnight, and in the morning the suitcase was found outside of her car. And stuff she had in her car in the center console, etc. were now in the suitcase. And a piece of her underwear that had been in her suitcase was placed in a cubby area of her side door console. Creepy and weird, police came and took a report, agreed it was weird. No proof this was related to BK, but they wonder if BK was progressing toward the murders by taking steps of peeping, doing odd things.

Now they wonder if BK was involved in some of these reports around the time before the murders and in the area.

Well the suitcase incident seems like a prank to me. JMO