4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yes, but Dateline was exploring two theories - first: that BK could have been anywhere while he was studying remotely during the academic year at DeSales University; and second: that a serial killer would likely progress to that stage, not just go out and commmit a mass murder. So they were looking at the kinds of crimes a person would commit at various stages, peeping Tom, stalking, voyeurism, etc. and that's why they included some LE reports in the area of the King Road home that happened five months before the murders.

There's no evidence BK is a serial killer, so if they used that phrase (I honestly don't remember), they immediately lose credibility. IMO, Dateline's portrayal of all this was very irresponsible and not what I consider reputable journalism. It felt like Nancy Grace or Ashley Banfield.

JMO.

 

[arielilane]

Keith Morrison stated that it was a theory that BK targeted either Madison Mogen and/or Kaylee Gonclaves and that after he murdered them, as he was leaving and went to the 2nd floor, Xana and/or Ethan came out of her room, so BK murdered them as well. That kind of makes sense to me. It was also interesting to learn he bought the knife through Amazon so they have that record of that purchase.

That's how I understood it too, and makes the most sense. moo

 

[Sundog]

The only real piece of information I found out was about his sister suspecting him.

But they based it on nothing which I think is irresponsible, IMO. Let's not forget there was a murdered animal in Moscow a few weeks before the killings, per early media reports. LE has said that is not related to this crime, again per early media reports (in the media thread). So my point is, there were bad actors in Moscow besides BK. There is no reason to believe he hopped on a plane (or drove) from PA to ID/WA so he could put some lady's panties in a cup holder in her car. That's just bizarre and Dateline should be embarrassed about making such a leap. I think they just wanted to show off that they had a new nugget of information here or there and they exaggerated it for all it's worth. This is why people distrust the media so much, IMO.

I'm surprised they didn't explore further. I mean, where was BK every day of 2015? Surely, there was a murder in ID sometime that year. How do we know he didn't do it?

MOO.

It's possible that the reason Dateline included the suitcase incident is because Moscow and other LE were at some point looking at other incidents in the 6 months or whatever before the murders, since the time that BK was accepted into the WSU doctoral program, or from the time he applied to the program.

I'm not defending the producers of the Dateline episode, just saying that they may not have just been fishing on their own, but a lot of these details may have been actual rabbit-holes that LE went down as they looked broadly at incidents in the community as they put together their case. Who knows.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Page 16, second paragraph from the last in the Affidavit. "One of these occasions on August 21, 2022 the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources providing coverage to the King Road residence from approximately 10:34pm to 11:35pm."

WiFi uses a router. Not cellular resources

What’s the Difference Between Wi‑Fi Data and Cellular Data?

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[BeginnerSleuther]

You are certainly not obnoxious: I look at it this way- until the trial, what we are hearing is "alleged"-- though the part about BK buying the knife from Amazon I believe was stated as fact--

Until sources have a name, I still consider it alleged. JMO.

 

[Sundog]

There's no evidence BK is a serial killer, so if they used that phrase (I honestly don't remember), they immediately lose credibility. IMO, Dateline's portrayal of all this was very irresponsible and not what I consider reputable journalism. It felt like Nancy Grace or Ashley Banfield.

JMO.

I don't remember if Dateline used the term or if I did, but the context was that experts (not Keith Morrison) were talking about "the making of a serial killer" and the progression toward it being actualized. A serial-killer in the making, if you will.

 

[arielilane]

There's no evidence BK is a serial killer, so if they used that phrase (I honestly don't remember), they immediately lose credibility. IMO, Dateline's portrayal of all this was very irresponsible and not what I consider reputable journalism. It felt like Nancy Grace or Ashley Banfield.

JMO.

Agree there is no evidence BK is a serial killer. Imo, I was disappointed with the attention given to Dennis Rader. moo

Probably, could have been an hour show rather than two hours.

 

[Sundog]

The only real piece of information I found out was about his sister suspecting him.

I, also, found that an interesting piece of information - that one of his sister's suspected BK of the Idaho murders when he went back to PA for Christmas break. And at one point she (and maybe other family members) actually searched or looked into his car. Where was BK when they did that, I wonder? He rarely slept, so seems like something pretty gutsy to do.

And I wonder where Dateline got this information?

 

[Boxer]

I don't remember reading that BK connected to 1122's wifi in the AA.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659742918498975745

MOO not connected, but detected. An option offered for connection. KGs dad described as "touched."

 

[Sundog]

Dateline NBC's Keith Morrison discusses Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murder case

Keith Morrison spoke with KTVB ahead of Friday's Dateline special "The Killings on King Road" about NBC's reporting to uncover new information in the case.

www.ktvb.com

"We have sources in and around the investigation, and we have spoken to some of the leading authorities anywhere on some of the questions involved in this particular case," Morrison said.

"A lot of discussion about what may or may not have happened, and the FBI must have been involved, and so on, and so on," Morrison said. "We have found what really did happen, and that's an interesting story in itself."
The origins of the KA-Bar knife used in the killings:
"The question of how the KA-Bar knife came into his possession, and when he may have decided to go to the west coast to go to school - and whether or not that had some bearing on decisions about purchases of knives and so on," Morrison said. So how much planning may have been involved? We can't say for sure, but there are some interesting indicators."
Additionally, Dateline shared the story of a student who was in one of Kohberger's TA classes at Washington State University:

I found the account of BK's classmate in his doctoral program who had her apartment broken into interesting, because this is one of the few times where we have heard of an account of a person reaching out to BK, mostly we have heard of BK's awkward and odd attempts to reach out to others. The Dateline report said that she called BK after she found that someone had been in her apartment and moved things around.

 

[Charlot123]

Incident was in March 2022 though. Was the idea BK was in town?

No. It was just shown as the video from a police dashcam, I think. I am trying to remember if at that time, BK was apprehended or not yet. There was an advice given by the police about the camera to install, even naming some, and I remember wondering if that camera later could have registered the attacker on the King road house, or not.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I, also, found that an interesting piece of information - that one of his sister's suspected BK of the Idaho murders when he went back to PA for Christmas break. And at one point she (and maybe other family members) actually searched or looked into his car. Where was BK when they did that, I wonder? He rarely slept, so seems like something pretty gutsy to do.

And I wonder where Dateline got this information?

Yeah, I also wonder where they got the information.

Was it that BK never slept or that he never slept at night? There are people whose days and nights are turned around, either by choice or through illness.

 

[Balthazar]

Even if DeSales was on Spring Break, unless there's evidence BK traveled from PA to WA or ID on or around 3/2/22, I don't see what this incident has to do with BK or the murders.

MOO

Then, logically, you would have to believe that there was another person - a stalker operating in the area of 1122 King Road on 3/2/22. One of the defense theories I have considered is SODDI and in my version of that theory, BK might have become aware of a stalker operating in the areas of Pullman and Moscow. It could be interesting if the defense claims BK became involved when a women he worked with at WSU asked for help because stuff had been moved around in her apartment. Maybe the defense will say BK saw the stalker (maybe he was alerted when the stalker came on camera at the woman's apartment after BK installed cameras) and BK began following him around WSU and Pullman to observe his behavior and then followed him over to Moscow on multiple nights including on the night of the murders. If someone followed a stalker who graduated to murder, is it possible that the police could mistake the person following the stalker for the actual killer? All just speculation on my part and IMOO.

 

[arielilane]

Just like all of us here, I don't support irresponsible reporting, I don't think we will ever be able to avoid it, unfortunately. However, glad to see this story remains in the news. You never know if someone out there will see the story for the first time, and maybe have additional info which could help with the case and come forward. Believe me there are people out there that have never heard about the ID four murderers. moo

 

[Charlot123]

Dateline showed the Moscow police bodycam video of the incident and their interview with the young woman who reported the incident.

It was posted on YT way before Dateline pulled it out. It is neither news, nor new.

 

[jepop]

Could you please tell us who the previous judge was, now that they've changed to Judge John Judge?

I looked through most of the previous court documents, and I don't know who he may have replaced?

TIA, I can't keep track of whether it's a change in judges, or just a new judge assigned for the arraignment?

Was also curious as to why the new Judge, Judge John Judge, was on the scene, though I think I now understand and the question has been answered further down thread. So we have Judge John Judge for the time being it seems. MOO.

 

[arielilane]

I found the account of BK's classmate in his doctoral program who had her apartment broken into interesting, because this is one of the few times where we have heard of an account of a person reaching out to BK, mostly we have heard of BK's awkward and odd attempts to reach out to others. The Dateline report said that she called BK after she found that someone had been in her apartment and moved things around.

Really interesting, she is the first person that actually seemed to "relate" to him. Trusted him enough to allow him to install security system/alarm. Curious if he was the one who initially moved things around? Guess we will never know. moo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Then, logically, you would have to believe that there was another person - a stalker operating in the area of 1122 King Road on 3/2/22.

I mean, it's not hard to believe that in an area with a population of 87,000 people, there's more than one stalker. Stalkers exist, in every city/town in America, and we don't even know about them until/unless they get caught.

Pullman–Moscow combined statistical area - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But also, why does it have to be a stalker? Why couldn't it have been either a college prank by someone who saw the suitcase or a transient bad actor? If it happened at 1122, I'd be more suspicious, but even then, unless there's evidence BK was in the area, I would dismiss it. Or, if it happened at 1122, I'd wonder if there was someone besides BK we should also be looking at. IMO.

Someone killed at least one animal in the area just weeks before (when BK was there) and police have said it isn't related to the murders. So I think it's a leap to believe this incident with the suitcase is definitely related to the murders.

Idaho police: Dog found skinned head-to-tail is unrelated to college students' murders

A 12-year-old dog was found skinned head-to-tail in Moscow, Idaho, just three weeks before four college students were murdered, but police say the two crimes are unrelated.

www.foxnews.com

One of the defense theories I have considered is SODDI and in my version of that theory, BK might have become aware of a stalker operating in the areas of Pullman and Moscow. It could be interesting if the defense claims BK became involved when a women he worked with at WSU asked for help because stuff had been moved around in her apartment. Maybe the defense will say BK saw the stalker (maybe he was alerted when the stalker came on camera at the woman's apartment after BK installed cameras) and BK began following him around WSU and Pullman to observe his behavior and then followed him over to Moscow on multiple nights including on the night of the murders. If someone followed a stalker who graduated to murder, is it possible that the police could mistake the person following the stalker for the actual killer? All just speculation on my part and IMOO.

I think it's way more believable that BK was involved in the break-in of his colleague's (though I'd want to see evidence) than him being involved in suitcase-underwear-gate. At least in the former, he was there, had a relationship with the victim, and likely had opportunity (again, would want to see evidence). In the latter, we've seen nothing to suggest he was even in town. IMO, the latter suggests Dateline trying their best to make BK even more creepy.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It was posted on YT way before Dateline pulled it out. It is neither news, nor new.

Neither is the bit about his colleague's break-in. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we already know that too? MOO.

 

[Balthazar]

No. It was just shown as the video from a police dashcam, I think. I am trying to remember if at that time, BK was apprehended or not yet. There was an advice given by the police about the camera to install, even naming some, and I remember wondering if that camera later could have registered the attacker on the King road house, or not.

No, he was not apprehended when this video first surfaced - which was back in December before Christmas.