4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[BeginnerSleuther]

His name is John .......
Wow.

Now we have John Doe and John Judge...lol

Very flippant of Dateline to casually mention with no information that BK bought a knife from Amazon and had 2 ID cards of women - other than the victims.
I'll have to go back and listen to the exact wording.

They made it sound like BK purchased the murder weapon online and stalked other women stealing their ID cards. And where is the source for his sister suspecting him but the dad disagreed with that? Families usually do not believe it could be true.

This is so outrageously prejudicial. If true, and DNA goes before a jury...game over. 2 Cents


He meant before arrest, that someone on here speculated a knife sheath was left behind before it was revealed that a knife sheath really was left behind.

PS
And don't get me started on this "BK moved my underwear" thing - he hadn't moved to the area yet...

Oh yah, the moving underwear happened next to the King Rd house - visible in photo - so of course BK came all the way from Pennsylvania and moved it, stuffed it, into the passenger door area.

I want the guy convicted - but on real evidence.

Dateline's angle was lazy, exploitative, and somewhat predictable. They're right that if someone kills 4 people, it's usually not their first rodeo. Usually. They could have spent an hour exploring whether or not this could truly be his first crime. They could have spent an hour exploring his "oddities" and if that played a role. They could have spent an hour exploring all those financial warrants, the DD warrants, the Tinder warrants. They could have spent an hour wondering if anyone else was involved in this.

Instead, they decided to invent connections between BK and other crimes, despite the fact that there's no evidence to link him to any other crimes (that we -- or they -- know of). It was sensationalistic media with nearly nothing of substance.

MOO.

 

[10ofRods]

They actually didn't quote the sister. They relayed information they had been given about the sister. There's a big difference.

JMO.

I'm sorry. I meant that they used the phrase "sister said." They did not say they had information conveyed to them.

I did not mean to imply she was on camera. I believe the actual quote is "the sister said..." to me, that's a quote, but if you want her actual face on the screen for it to be a quote, I understand that.

There is no other source for Dateline than the sister herself, if they want to avoid lawsuits, IMO. It would be egregious for them to say she said that and they have no source at all.

I don't remember the words, "We are relaying information" at all. So the big difference is that the two of us interpret wha was said differently, as I imagine the general viewership does as well.

IMO.

 

[Boxer]

Presumably, since they quote "sister," they talked to one of the sisters, who did not want to say which one she was.

Lawsuit city, otherwise.

People do talk, though. No one in PA is under the gag order.

IOM. It is explosive. But normal. The sister saw what she saw.

Apparently wearing gloves was new behavior. A verson of getting damn spots away.

 

[Boxer]

IMO LE has a receipt to the knife. And then got help from KaBar to trace the sheath and possibly the accompanying (now missing) knife to the distributor and out to the retailer.

They'll have the jurors following along from KaBar -> Distributor -> Amazon (or another retailer) -> BK -> Murder scene.

MOO

1122 and ... gone.

 

[katydid23]

But the crime scene doesn't suggest they left their room at all at the time of the attack, as far as I know. They were both killed IN Xana's room. Xana's room isn't like D's room, centrally positioned. It is up a step and around a corner and down the opposite end of the house from the other killings. He went out of his way to go there. It's not like he ran into them coming down the stairs or in the kitchen. They weren't found anywhere near there.

MOO

But if Xana had stepped out of her room, then saw him, she'd most likely run right back into her room and he'd follow.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I'm sorry. I meant that they used the phrase "sister said." They did not say they had information conveyed to them.

I did not mean to imply she was on camera. I believe the actual quote is "the sister said..." to me, that's a quote, but if you want her actual face on the screen for it to be a quote, I understand that.

There is no other source for Dateline than the sister herself, if they want to avoid lawsuits, IMO. It would be egregious for them to say she said that and they have no source at all.

I don't remember the words, "We are relaying information" at all. So the big difference is that the two of us interpret wha was said differently, as I imagine the general viewership does as well.

IMO.

Here is exactly what Dateline said:

"According to our source, investigators learned the following: One of Bryan's two older sisters brought up an uncomfortable topic. The sister had noticed Bryan had been wearing latex gloves. She found it odd..."

That's where they relayed what the sister allegedly said. So no, the sister did not speak with Dateline (that we know of). A source is telling them this information and we have no idea who that source is.

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[katydid23]

Until sources have a name, I still consider it alleged. JMO.

If the sister never said she was suspicious of her brother, I'd think she would publicly deny it after the show aired?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

If the sister never said she was suspicious of her brother, I'd think she would publicly deny it after the show aired?

I doubt anyone in the Kohberger family is going to give public statements. I'm also not saying the sister never said it. I'm just saying until there's a name attached to the source, I'm not putting much faith in it. Was it a LE source? I doubt it, because I think they would have said that. But who else would know what investigators learned? Maybe she told a friend/colleague/neighbor what she told police? Who knows? And who knows what she actually said?

 

[katydid23]

I think the knife was allegedly purchased from Amazon in April 2022, is that right? Because then I'm curious about these warrants (always with me and the warrants lol).

One does have to wonder why, if the Amazon warrant produced the knife, (receipt dated 12.14 says Amazon returned information on 12.8)
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Amazon.pdf

why then did LE do the warrant to Blue Ridge Knives dated 12.12?

Did LE just not bother to check the Amazon one? They knew about BK at that time? What was PC or were they just 'checking to be sure'?

I thought about the fact that LE may have been following the trail from Amazon to Blue Ridge Knives to see which Amazon seller bought what knives for resale...
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Blue%20Ridge%20Knives.pdf

Maybe they were also checking amazon for other purchases---like forensic booties , black face masks, vans shoes etc

 

[10ofRods]

Apparently wearing gloves was new behavior. A verson of getting damn spots away.

That was so interesting. And only a few people could say that and be regarded as a source.

It does sound like Macbeth. And I do believe that this is a tragedy for the Kohberger family, as a whole.

What's really fascinating to me is that it looks like some of the family members are moving closer to getting themselves on the witness list, which I am expect they realize. Gloves (new behavior); bleach in car. Better than the "new behavior" remarks of the students at WSU, since the family has known him all his life (I think he's the youngest, not sure).

I feel for them. I think we might expect one of the sisters to say a bit more in the coming year, as it seems they are talking to investigators, and now they are in MSM.

IMO.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Maybe they were also checking amazon for other purchases---like forensic booties , black face masks, vans shoes etc

You can read exactly what they were checking Amazon for - it's right in the warrant. And the issue I raised was with the Blue Ridge Knives warrant's dates and scope.

AMAZON Amended Search Warrant dated 11.26.2022 - note that the pages were not scanned in order, so you have to look around a bit, but it's in that document and you'll see the list of items: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Amazon.pdf

Blue Ridge Knives is dated after the Amazon receipt (Amazon items received - 12/8; Blue Ridge warrant dated 12/12 - after information received from Amazon but outside of the April date cited on that show):

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Blue%20Ridge%20Knives.pdf

Dates specifically requested in Blue Ridge Knives warranted :
o On or about 03/08/2022 the purchase of 360 units
o 0n or about 06/24/2022 the purchase of 480 units

MY question is why do it in that order? One reason would be to tie up loose ends, follow the trail, but that April date is a tight window for March and impossible for June. So why was that done? That is my question. IMO that leaves questions unanswered. JMO.


edited to fix the links. who knows what i did there lol.

 

[katydid23]

I doubt anyone in the Kohberger family is going to give public statements. I'm also not saying the sister never said it. I'm just saying until there's a name attached to the source, I'm not putting much faith in it. Was it a LE source? I doubt it, because I think they would have said that. But who else would know what investigators learned? Maybe she told a friend/colleague/neighbor what she told police? Who knows? And who knows what she actually said?

I wouldn't expect the family to be making public statements either, unless a national prime time tv show was seriously misrepresenting them. Then I would expect one.

I seen to remember a couple of public statements they made already, about supporting his innocence I believe. Am I misremembering?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I wouldn't expect the family to be making public statements either, unless a national prime time tv show was seriously misrepresenting them. Then I would expect one.

I seen to remember a couple of public statements they made already, about supporting his innocence I believe. Am I misremembering?

The national show made this claim on a Friday night. IMO, anything the family says will likely go through their lawyer and that isn't going to be accomplished on a dime. Also, it gets more sticky. Does the family really want a public bickerfest with the press prior to BK's arraignment? What if she said something similar? She goes on the record and says "I didn't say that" will also involve her saying what she did say, which she may not want nationally broadcast. Not everyone who has something said about them is going to correct the record right away. Her feelings about her brother, whatever they are, are a very small part of the bigger picture. MOO.

The only public statement the family has made is offering condolences to the victims and saying they stand behind BK, as far as I know. If you've heard them proclaim his innocence, can you provide a link or direct me to where please?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IMO LE has a receipt to the knife. And then got help from KaBar to trace the sheath and possibly the accompanying (now missing) knife to the distributor and out to the retailer.

They'll have the jurors following along from KaBar -> Distributor -> Amazon (or another retailer) -> BK -> Murder scene.

MOO

So LE found a receipt showing BK purchased a KA-BAR knife and that's why we keep hearing about it. Thanks. I didn't know that happened.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

The national show made this claim on a Friday night. IMO, anything the family says will likely go through their lawyer and that isn't going to be accomplished on a dime. Also, it gets more sticky. Does the family really want a public bickerfest with the press prior to BK's arraignment? What if she said something similar? She goes on the record and says "I didn't say that" will also involve her saying what she did say, which she may not want nationally broadcast. Not everyone who has something said about them is going to correct the record right away. Her feelings about her brother, whatever they are, are a very small part of the bigger picture. MOO.

The only public statement the family has made is offering condolences to the victims and saying they stand behind BK, as far as I know. If you've heard them proclaim his innocence, can you provide a link or direct me to where please?

I agree. I think that this is a "recollections may vary" moment. In fact, I'd imagine that there may have been contact between the defense and the family about how to address this. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

IDs of two women (not the victims) were found inside a latex glove in BK’s room.

Are you kidding me?! Catching him may have prevented other potential murders.

 

[10ofRods]

IDs of two women (not the victims) were found inside a latex glove in BK’s room.

I read that as well (and thought, is this in addition to the ones found in his glove box??)

I cannot myself read the handwriting in that warrant well enough to know how many they said they found. But I think sources other than Dateline are reporting the 2 other ID's found - in PA, right? I keep thinking we're going to hear more and more from PA (and WA) sources after Monday. He's now officially indicted and under a lot of public scrutiny.

Smoking gun evidence found in Bryan Kohberger's home—report

Kohberger, 28, is charged with breaking into a home in Moscow and fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students.

www.newsweek.com

I can't tell if there's a third find of ID's (probably not). And it's possible that there's only one finding. IOW, it's possible that "ID's in the glove box" have turned into "ID's in a glove." At any rate, it's clear that ID's that don't belong to BK were found on the PA search warrant.

The link above supports your view. News Nation goes a step further - and sometimes they are right. News Nation says that an ID connected to 1122 was found (in that link above). Here's the quote:

NewsNation reported that an ID connected to someone from the home where the slayings took place was found during a search.

Vague, yes. But again, it's a big step out on the plank for News Nation if that's totally false. The part about the "home where the slayings took place" is the part that is new.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

I wouldn't expect the family to be making public statements either, unless a national prime time tv show was seriously misrepresenting them. Then I would expect one.

I seen to remember a couple of public statements they made already, about supporting his innocence I believe. Am I misremembering?

Since then, his sisters have both lost their jobs (which is awful, but they live and work in right-to-work states). That's why I think they'd hire an attorney (or get one pro bono) to stand up for their rights if they're being misrepresented. Of course, I'm only quoting MSM.

Of interest is the fact that ABC news is now counting News Nation as a source similar to AP or UPI or Reuters:

Kohberger’s sisters lost jobs over link to accused Idaho killer

Kohberger’s older sister was a school counselor, and his younger sister, at least as one point, was working as an actress, according to sources

www.news10.com

IMO.

 

[I'm Nobody]

Obviously she would. However, many people contact journalists as part of coming out with their truth.

If Dateline is lying, she should at least sue and state the real truth. But I don't believe that's the case. At all.

You have said several times that you will not accept unnamed sources - fine. I'm not going to say more about the differences between what I know and what you assert. I still trust MS journalists (not NYP or DM - unless they actually send out a reporter, which they sometimes do). I want to support journalism and I do not believe NBC would air such an egregious thing if the source were not valid. You don't have to believe it - but neither of us knows the source.

The difference is that I do not believe NBC would air this, if there were not an editorially verifiable source. And I know what an editor does for a living and how precarious it is.

IMO. "Source" means someone credible said it. IMO.

Thank you. If your mother says she loves you, check it out. an old journalist cliche

With this strict gag order, I understand why we are seeing so many anonymous sources. There are many reasons someone would want to remain unknown in this case (restrictions, threats, media). The Dateline sister story got me thinking that the source is somehow in law enforcement and maybe the sister is the protected informant. That would explain to me those motions praying to keep her confidential and why she will not testify but perhaps helped LE because of some moral code, beliefs, or love for a brother in need of help. IIR One sister wrote a poem after a mass shooting. She seemed deeply moved by those deaths. JMO

Good investigative journalists have been using anonymous sources for decades.
Anybody else remember Deep Throat, anonymous source? Mark Felt, associate director of the FBI during Watergate, revealed he was the one who provided crucial information to the Washington Post. The secret was kept for over 30 years. NPR story on Mark Felt here.

NBC has reporting standards which actually got a reporter suspended pending internal investigation less than six months ago for using an unreliable source. NBC suspends reporter here.

The AP details anonymous sources here and what their reporters must go through before using one. It's not easy.

 

[Cool Cats]

So LE found a receipt showing BK purchased a KA-BAR knife and that's why we keep hearing about it. Thanks. I didn't know that happened.

NO. We do not have any information that shows BK bought a knife, all we have are Search Warrants looking to see if BK did purchase one. (We know knives from his parents' house were seized)

If I'm wrong then someone please provide links. In fact a nice clear list would be helpful.

Ditto --- the 1 or 2 cards BK supposedly hid that supposedly link him to other women. What kind of cards? Credit or Debit? Store Rewards cards? Medical Insurance cards? Student IDs?

(We know several cards were found but these are likely BK's own cards)

Links - clear list - anyone? Thanks.