4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[U.N. Known]

If the sister never said she was suspicious of her brother, I'd think she would publicly deny it after the show aired?

Perhaps, but not everyone is eager to be in the spotlight, even to defend themselves. IMO, people who are comfortable with Dateline's information/sources are unlikely to believe anything she said anyway.

His family hasn't said anything publicly other than their official statement a couple of days after his arrest. I would be surprised if they broke their silence now just to refute information from an anonymous source.

 

[Helechawagirl]

I wouldn't expect the family to be making public statements either, unless a national prime time tv show was seriously misrepresenting them. Then I would expect one.

I seen to remember a couple of public statements they made already, about supporting his innocence I believe. Am I misremembering?

Their statement said something about supporting BK while the legal process played out so to speak. Also sympathy to the victims. I found the statement to be neutral—which I found odd. There wasn’t an adamant cry of “he’s innocent.”

This makes me wonder if there’s history that we don’t know. Something caused them to not be surprised at his arrest.

As for the no. of murders, I can see planning for one and the second being collateral damage but why didn’t he run away after he was done on the third floor? What made him go after X and E? If I understand the layout correctly, the stairs were in the middle so he could have easily escaped. Was he afraid they could identify him for some reason? If they moved toward him, then I would think there would be signs of a struggle in the hall and kitchen. Fight or flight mode perhaps? JMO

 

[Nova]

I think it's quite a long shot that the state would offer an Alford plea. Anything is possible, but I don't see that happening.

JMO

JMO, but I agree. I don't see what the State would have to gain.

 

[vls12345]

The way I remember the statement from BK's family was that they support his presumption of innocence.

So, imo, not clearly stating that they think he's innocent, but rather being supportive of the system assuming he is innocent unless or until proven otherwise. MOO.

Eta:

Statement From The Family Of Idaho Student Murders Suspect Bryan Kohberger

Four students at the University of Idaho were killed on November 13, 2022, at a rental home near the university’s Moscow, Idaho, campus. Following an investigation lasting nearly seven weeks, 28-year-old Brian Kohberger, a Ph.D. candidate studying criminal justice and criminology at nearby...

www.yahoo.com

 

[kittythehare]

Their statement said something about supporting BK while the legal process played out so to speak. Also sympathy to the victims. I found the statement to be neutral—which I found odd. There wasn’t an adamant cry of “he’s innocent.”

This makes me wonder if there’s history that we don’t know. Something caused them to not be surprised at his arrest.

As for the no. of murders, I can see planning for one and the second being collateral damage but why didn’t he run away after he was done on the third floor? What made him go after X and E? If I understand the layout correctly, the stairs were in the middle so he could have easily escaped. Was he afraid they could identify him for some reason? If they moved toward him, then I would think there would be signs of a struggle in the hall and kitchen. Fight or flight mode perhaps? JMO

I reckon he knew exactly who he wanted to kill savagely in that house and that is exactly what he did, practically at the speed of light.

 

[Charlot123]

Question:

About visual snow and triggers...

If BK entered a mostly dark home, commit four murders in relative darkness, and moved toward the kitchen where (speculation) now a light was on, would that impact his vision? So much so that the transition might effectively blind him briefly? Could this explain why D saw him but he may have missed seeing her? Could she have disappeared in the darkness of his periphery?

I don't know what visual snow means in each concrete case. When I started writing down this complaint, among others, I ended up with a number of neurological and opthalmological conditions. I assume that in BK's case, the precise cause was never found out. Let us think of other potential problems that could contribute to his symptoms.

For example: of all vitamins, one that is not recommended to be artificially replenished in the US is vitamin A. But this applies to people adhering to regular diet. What about vegetarians and vegans? Vitamin A is fat-soluble, and it is precisely the lack of fat in their diet that can cause deficiency. One of the symptoms of vitamin A deficiency would be nocturnal blindness. Usually, not a huge problem in developed countries but a serious one, in developing ones, vitamin A deficiency is related to diet.

Vitamin A deficiency - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Here are other reasons for nocturnal blindness.

What Causes Night Blindness?

Night blindness (nyctalopia) causes reduced vision in low light conditions, and can be a source of fear and anxiety for those affected by it. Decreased

www.optometrists.org

 

[kittythehare]

I read that as well (and thought, is this in addition to the ones found in his glove box??)

I cannot myself read the handwriting in that warrant well enough to know how many they said they found. But I think sources other than Dateline are reporting the 2 other ID's found - in PA, right? I keep thinking we're going to hear more and more from PA (and WA) sources after Monday. He's now officially indicted and under a lot of public scrutiny.

Smoking gun evidence found in Bryan Kohberger's home—report

Kohberger, 28, is charged with breaking into a home in Moscow and fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students.

www.newsweek.com

I can't tell if there's a third find of ID's (probably not). And it's possible that there's only one finding. IOW, it's possible that "ID's in the glove box" have turned into "ID's in a glove." At any rate, it's clear that ID's that don't belong to BK were found on the PA search warrant.

The link above supports your view. News Nation goes a step further - and sometimes they are right. News Nation says that an ID connected to 1122 was found (in that link above). Here's the quote:



Vague, yes. But again, it's a big step out on the plank for News Nation if that's totally false. The part about the "home where the slayings took place" is the part that is new.

IMO.

They're citing Jennifer CoffinDramaEverywhere though..

 

[kittythehare]

The Judge will allow them to attend virtually if they can’t be there or choose not to attend in person.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/051923%20REDACTED%20Order%20Regarding%20Notice%20of%20Hearing%20Zoom%20Information.pdf

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Girl!
You are FAST!

 

[kittythehare]

If they said something similar then it is still pretty damning, no?


Isn't saying they 'stand behind him ' essentially the same as calling him innocent? Are they going to publicly

Standing behind him likely means standing behind his statement of innocence.

 

[jepop]

<RSBMFF>.

Was it that BK never slept or that he never slept at night? There are people whose days and nights are turned around, either by choice or through illness.

RSBBM: Just a passing comment, yes seems in the context of this discussion and other reports we've had (which are well known by many on the thread) re BK likely being something of a night owl, all the OP is saying here is that in their opinion he rarely slept at night. MOO.

 

[twall]

Towards the end of the Dateline episode it's said that (according to a source) BK's mail is re-routed to his lawyers office and thr lawyer decides what Bk will see.

I found that odd and wonder why it is being done as I have never heard of it before.

 

[Charlot123]

MOO BK was a heroin addict for a couple of years. B&E very common to support that habit. So could be already be experienced in B&E hot prowling.

BK was also a criminology student. So his B@E MO could be specifically targeting drugs. To break, look around for drugs, for own use or even something having street value, is not unrealistic. A break-in with things being moved (looking for substances) but nothing of value taken makes sense. Money of valuables are inevitably reported. I actually wonder if he broke into King Road house looking for drugs. This could explain looking at different floors but missing the basement of which he could be unaware. JMO.

 

[kittythehare]

Question:

About visual snow and triggers...

If BK entered a mostly dark home, commit four murders in relative darkness, and moved toward the kitchen where (speculation) now a light was on, would that impact his vision? So much so that the transition might effectively blind him briefly? Could this explain why D saw him but he may have missed seeing her? Could she have disappeared in the darkness of his periphery?

It's possible, of course it is.
My head is set on him wanting to kill 4 and only 4.
Like another famous serial killer.
First hit was a 4.
A family.
I still believe that is where his head was at.. speed, possibly breaking a speed record.
grisly though.
He could have shot them far more easily and quickly and more of them.

I wonder whether he recorded it?
Trophy keeping is a thing.

I very much doubt it would have ended had he not been arrested, I believe he would have continued and that he had a masterplan, possibly for years.
Not sure whether he had a 'type'..

just waffling..

 

[Helechawagirl]

I reckon he knew exactly who he wanted to kill savagely in that house and that is exactly what he did, practically at the speed of light.

Looks that way

 

[Helechawagirl]

Standing behind him likely means standing behind his statement of innocence.

From my perspective it means standing by your family no matter what. Jmo

 

[Helechawagirl]

So, on that note. Do you feel they will make an appearance for the Monday court date?

Via zoom maybe; otherwise no.

 

[Nova]

But the crime scene doesn't suggest they left their room at all at the time of the attack, as far as I know. They were both killed IN Xana's room. Xana's room isn't like D's room, centrally positioned. It is up a step and around a corner and down the opposite end of the house from the other killings. He went out of his way to go there. It's not like he ran into them coming down the stairs or in the kitchen. They weren't found anywhere near there.

MOO

You may well be right!

But I think another possibility is that X and/or E came into the kitchen--perhaps in response to the noises upstairs, perhaps to eat the food that had been delivered minutes earlier--and ran into the intruder holding a bloody knife as he was coming downstairs from the upper floor.

Their (or maybe it was just "her") instinct was to run back to the safety of their room. I don't know if homicidal humans have a "predator instinct", but seeing someone flee may have excited something in the intruder and so he pursued X and/or E back to their bedroom.

I agree that middle floor would seem a maze in anything but bright lighting. That's why I've wondered if the intruder had been to the house before. But pursuing a victim or victims might also have brought the intruder* to X's bedroom in that far corner. (It isn't really far in terms of steps; it's just that the bedroom door isn't visible from the kitchen because the middle-floor-bathroom is in the way.)

All of the above is speculation based on my understanding of the existing evidence.

* I've started using "intruder" instead of "BK" so I don't have to qualify that BK is innocent until proven guilty. It isn't that I have any reason to doubt that he is the culprit.

 

[BeachSky]

From my perspective it means standing by your family no matter what. Jmo

Like in the LVD case - I think over time some stand at a distance with disbelief like Colby & Summer. You desperately want answers so you can keep loving that person.The person you hope is still inside there…
After watching Dateline, made me realize this sick guy is probably going to ENJOY going to his trial.
Buckle up buttercup.

JMO

 

[Nova]

Agree there is no evidence BK is a serial killer. Imo, I was disappointed with the attention given to Dennis Rader. moo

Probably, could have been an hour show rather than two hours.

Maybe your post should be added to the Media Thread.

One hour better than two can be said of DATELINE almost every week!

 

[girlhasnoname]

Does the gag order encompass LE in PA?

no I don't believe so