4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[arielilane]

Standing silent does not mean that a suspect is admitting guilt to the crimes they are accused of committing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660729788942647296

https://twitter.com/KREM2

 

[Balthazar]

But Idaho doesn't have a NGRI:

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 2
PERSONS LIABLE, PRINCIPALS AND ACCESSORIES
18-207. MENTAL CONDITION NOT A DEFENSE — PROVISION FOR TREATMENT DURING INCARCERATION — RECEPTION OF EVIDENCE — NOTICE AND APPOINTMENT OF EXPERT EXAMINERS. (1) Mental condition shall not be a defense to any charge of criminal conduct.
Section 18-207 – Idaho State Legislature

Correct. No insanity defense, but it is considered a mitigating circumstance.

 

[arielilane]

On Thursday, people are encouraged to perform random acts of kindness.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660752411709906944

https://twitter.com/KREM2

Maddie May Day created to honor Madison Mogen's legacy​

On Thursday, people are encouraged to perform random acts of kindness.

MOSCOW, Idaho — May 25 has been designated as "Maddie May Day" in honor of Moscow murder victim Madison Mogen.
On Thursday, people are encouraged to perform random acts of kindness. According to their website, "Maddie May Day" was initiated by Mogen's relatives.

Maddie May Day created to honor Madison Mogen's legacy

On Thursday, people are encouraged to perform random acts of kindness.

www.krem.com

 

[Megnut]

Why did he do it?

I think he felt powerful every day, deciding who lived and who died. For a long time, IMO he let people live. While he fed the fantasy.

That November night was the twisted pinnacle of that.

Jmo

 

[arielilane]

A Latah County judge issued a stark warning following Bryan Kohberger’s arraignment that the media has done “irreparable harm” to Kohberger’s case and could affect his right to a fair trial.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660759961025036288

Judge warns of ‘irreparable harm’ in Idaho murder case

"There is a lot of irreparable harm from the media that is affecting a fair trial,” Judge John C. Judge said. “This is a very high-profile case.”

www.krem.com

5/22/2023

MOSCOW, Idaho — A Latah County judge issued a stark warning following Bryan Kohberger’s arraignment that the media has done “irreparable harm” to Kohberger’s case and could affect his right to a fair trial.
Judge John C. Judge told the court that the media and attorneys alike have a larger responsibility to the Sixth Amendment, the right to a speedy trial by an impartial jury.

After Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students, stood silent on Monday during his plea and a “not guilty” plea was entered on his behalf, a hearing was held to decide when to hear arguments on a non-dissemination order within the case.

 

[mickey2942]

I understand your sentiment, and do not totally disagree, but social media will not convict him, a jury of his peers will, if he is convicted, after hearing evidence presented in a trial. And I assure you, he will be able to get a fair trial in Idaho, and I dare say in Latah County. You would perhaps be surprised how very many people seem completely oblivious to everything going on around them, and who never watch or read news. I see it on every thread we follow here. Heck, judging from how badly the judge mispronounced not only Kaylee's name, referring to her as "Kayla", and never pronounced Xana's first name correctly, and stumbled repeatedly over her last name, I almost had the sense he had never heard of these people before today. Kohberger will get a fair trial, and imo, will be convicted by an impartial but informed jury. JMO

Years ago, I was in graduate school, had two kids, and working full time as a teacher. I am one of the few people in the entire world, who did not see the infamous "OJ Bronco" chase, or even know anything about the case.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/WFLAJB

Just wrapped our stream and forgot to share the results of our unscientific #WFLANow social media poll.
What do you think?
Should the Idaho courts maintain the current gag order in the #BryanKohberger murder case?
Let us know why/why not below.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660734892554977280

 

[U.N. Known]

https://twitter.com/JordanSmithKXLY

Statement from Shannon Gray, representing the Goncalves family: "The family would like to thank everyone for continuing to follow this case and keep the memories of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan alive. They are what is important not the Defendant.

We are thankful that the Latah County District Attorneys Office finally took the case to a GJ and came back with an indictment. At the same time we are disappointed that the judicial process has not been more efficient in addressing the Gag order.

This is just the beginning of a long journey for all the families and we are thankful for your continued support and coverage.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660709513601896448

Mr. Gray's statements (in bold) IMO demonstrate why the gag order should continue for him as a family attorney.

Gotta say, I predicted this...as a way to stall the inevitable, "unable to work with counsel". BK has nothing but time now, so stalling is the new game. I will say, there is no way there will be a trial in October. BK will want new counsel, they get time, on and on..

What is the evidence of that or better yet, the reason to stall? He's incarcerated without bail; he has no reason to delay because he's in jail regardless. He and AT must have discussed the plea and the speedy trial or not decision beforehand. If the intent of standing silent was to stall, why moments later, suggest a speedy trial?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

IMOO: Sometimes a defendant who takes an Alford plea is one who has no memory of committing the crime or at least alleges that s/he has no memory of committing the crime. The defense has to provide significant proof that this is true in order to have an Alford plea considered, however. The judge and the prosecutor would have to decide if an Alford plea is warranted IF that is what the defense proffers. But we DO NOT know what plea will be proffered yet, just as we don't know if this is a Death Penalty case yet. All we know is that the defense chose to make a strategic move today to keep all defense options on the table. I'm certain this was advised by Anne Taylor and BK really has little say if he wants to keep her as his attorney. She has to defend her client vigorously and she is responsible for the defense theory and we don't know what that is yet. So I don't want to speculate much outside of what are facts in this case so far.

Now we wait to find out if this will be a death penalty case. And we will learn if an Alford plea will be proffered or some other plea in time.

And I believe the situation in your post is certainly a justified use of the Alford plea. Has it been established that you must stand silent at arraignment in Idaho in order to later invoke the Alford plea?

 

[mickey2942]

Mr. Gray's statements (in bold) IMO demonstrate why the gag order should continue for him as a family attorney.


What is the evidence of that or better yet, the reason to stall? He's incarcerated without bail; he has no reason to delay because he's in jail regardless. He and AT must have discussed the plea and the speedy trial or not decision beforehand. If the intent of standing silent was to stall, why moments later, suggest a speedy trial?

Jail, without a conviction, is way better than prison with a Death Penalty. Jail, he can have a lot more flexibility with visits, what he does, a conviction, that is it. So, why not manipulate the system as long as possible to obfuscate the process.

 

[Warwick7]

BK's silent self indulgent gesture in court today reminds me of...

BK's chatting up the female traffic cop, "so next time I should back out of the intersection"?

I think he's just a "look at me" kind of guy, not being able to create interest in ways normal people would.

Para: Hi I'm Brian. Where do you live?

27 year old Brian's brain (guessing here): maybe if I stare at that blonde gal 10 tables away for 15 minutes she'll go out with me.

He is a gaslighter. MOO he wanted to unsettle her, shake her up. Cause her to feel unsure of herself.

 

[Chloegirl]

He is a gaslighter. MOO he wanted to unsettle her, shake her up. Cause her to feel unsure of herself.

I missed that! Can anybody clarify what the silent self-indulgent gesture was?

 

[jepop]

And I believe the situation in your post is certainly a justified use of the Alford plea. Has it been established that you must stand silent at arraignment in Idaho in order to later invoke the Alford plea?

It would certainly be useful to know if that is established. Perhaps @PrairieWind knows?

"Has it been established that you must stand silent at arraignment in Idaho in order to later invoke the Alford plea?"

 

[jepop]

But Idaho doesn't have a NGRI:

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 2
PERSONS LIABLE, PRINCIPALS AND ACCESSORIES
18-207. MENTAL CONDITION NOT A DEFENSE — PROVISION FOR TREATMENT DURING INCARCERATION — RECEPTION OF EVIDENCE — NOTICE AND APPOINTMENT OF EXPERT EXAMINERS. (1) Mental condition shall not be a defense to any charge of criminal conduct.
Section 18-207 – Idaho State Legislature

Have any talking experts from MSM said anything re Alford Plea option yet?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

He is a gaslighter. MOO he wanted to unsettle her, shake her up. Cause her to feel unsure of herself.

That isn't what gaslighting is. If he was gaslighting, he'd lie about having run the red light.

Signs of Gaslighting and How To Respond

If someone has ever made you question your own reality and feelings related to a situation in an effort to get the upper hand, you’ve been gaslit. Here’s how gaslighting works and how you can stop it in its tracks.

health.clevelandclinic.org

 

[Warwick7]

My own thinking is that the grand jury was a game-changer at the moment because it impacted strategy for the defense and available time going forward. I don't think the grand jury necessarily had a "beyond a reasonable doubt" case presented to them. Remember the saying that a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. I think this step circumvented the strategy of the defense team, but was probably a good move for the prosecution. JMO.

Edits to clarify.

And one, being educated lawyers, could/would be expecting.

 

[Cool Cats]

I missed that! Can anybody clarify what the silent self-indulgent gesture was?

There was no silent self indulgent gesture. BK's attorneys had him remain silent instead of voicing a plea.The judge gave his plea as not guilty. This is a strategic move because the State has 60 days to decide if they want to file the DP. It gives the defense a little more to work with. Because of potential DP it was best way to plea.

2 Cents

 

[LAhiker]

There was no silent self indulgent gesture. BK's attorneys had him remain silent instead of voicing a plea.The judge gave his plea as not guilty. This is a strategic move because the State has 60 days to decide if they want to file the DP. It gives the defense a little more to work with. Because of potential DP it was best way to plea.

As before, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a strategic move. But I'm still unclear on what strategic aim it would serve.

Can you explain why BK not voicing a plea would give the defense more time?

Thanks!

 

[BeachSky]

He is a gaslighter. MOO he wanted to unsettle her, shake her up. Cause her to feel unsure of herself.

Chanley Painter of Court TV said when he looked briefly at the galley, he locked eyes with her. She said it was very unsettling. She’s been reporting on this case from beginning. She is very striking. Think he knew who she was? He also locked eyes with the woman next to her.

Just what I heard on court tv …. IMO

 

[Helechawagirl]

The gag order isn’t benefiting anyone in my opinion. Absence of sourced, factual information leads to speculation. Professional news media has shared ethical standards; Susie Social or Johnny Journo does not; and are largely unaware, IMO, of the harm they are causing or could be causing.

Lifting the gag order would let those in the know provide factual information or at least confirm or deny some of the information out there in cyber space.

Right now, professional reporters are at a disadvantage. Webcasters and YouTubers can speculate all they want; professionals won’t do this, and thus, are at a disadvantage. JMO