4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[StarryStarryNight]

You can slather BK’s DNA all over that house in some attempt to set him up but you can’t control DM stating that she saw a tall thin man with bushy eyebrows at the time of the murders. That would be totally independent of any conspiracy.
So what would be the chances of someone outside of any “frame-BK” plot, describing an intruder with one of BK’s prominent facial features at the crime scene? About an octillion or so to one.
BK was the guy there that night, with a knife, slaughtering innocent young people. A premeditated fantasy to prove he’s the smartest guy in the room.


Just my thoughts

 

[arielilane]

And more specifically, that "Instead of challenging the conclusion that the DNA on the knife sheath belonged to Defendant, the defense’s expert disclosures reveal that the defense plans to argue the DNA on the knife sheath does not prove Defendant was ever at the crime scene and the knife sheath itself could have been planted by the real perpetrator."

This won't fly, jmo. Its the totality of the evidence/circimstances. BK was not so smart after all. The science will put him away. Besides there is more evidence than the knife sheath. We shall see at trial. It's apparent, defense doesnt have anything, thats the reason for all the frivolous filings. jmo

 

[al66pine]

BK's Accent?

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DM said she "didn't have a clue" if BK was the person she saw after his arrest. Yet she MUST have seen his eyes/eyebrows and being in his presence, saw his gait. She heard his voice, yet we have not yet heard of any tests in regards to this. BK has a unique cadence and PA accent. Does DM recognize his voice? We don't know.

.... She did not recognize him from a photo. While you could say that was due to his disguise, she saw him moving, i.e. his gait and she heard his voice. Did she recognize either? IDK.

snipped for focus @Balthazar Thx for your posts, usually digging in, drilling down for detail, like this one.

I'm puzzled about BK having "a unique cadence and PA accent." IIUC, speech cadence, not walking/body movement. A PA accent, meaning a Philly accent, “Pittsburghese” or a Delaware Valley English accent in the southeastern part of the state, etc.?

I do not recall hearing him speak, except directing a few words at JJJ at a hearing, but I could have missed other audio clips.

Any AUDIO links to him speaking. Balthazar ? Anyone?

 

[arielilane]

Actions by an innocent person? You decide, but there's more, come trial. jmo



Kohberger, who was pursuing a PhD in criminal justice at Washington State University at the time of the killings, "cleaned his car, inside and outside, not missing an inch," according to the law enforcement source.


Kohberger was seen multiple times outside the Pennsylvania home wearing surgical gloves, according to the law enforcement source.



In one instance prior to Kohberger's arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors' garbage bins, according to the source. At that point, agents recovered garbage from the Kohberger family's trash bins and what was observed being placed into the neighbors' bins, the source said.




The recovered items were sent to the Idaho State Lab, per the source.

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger cleaned car, was seen wearing surgical gloves, source says

In one instance prior to Kohberger's arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors' garbage bins, according to the source.

abc7.com

1/6/2023

 

[Megnut]

BK's Accent?


snipped for focus @Balthazar Thx for your posts, usually digging in, drilling down for detail, like this one.

I'm puzzled about BK having "a unique cadence and PA accent." IIUC, speech cadence, not walking/body movement. A PA accent, meaning a Philly accent, “Pittsburghese” or a Delaware Valley English accent in the southeastern part of the state, etc.?

I do not recall hearing him speak, except directing a few words at JJJ at a hearing, but I could have missed other audio clips.

Any AUDIO links to him speaking. Balthazar ? Anyone?

His traffic stop has dialogue.

6 minute video.

 

[Megnut]

"...I was just slightly in the crosswalk..." In PA we have more leeway actually, there are more lines.

Is he trying to convince her she's wrong, he's not?

Geez, he's not getting a ticket, but he keeps talking.

Possibly the longest conversation he's had with a woman.

At least he didn't ask her where she lives.

JMO

 

[al66pine]

Traffic Stop Vid.

His traffic stop has dialogue.

6 minute video.

@Megnut

Of course.
Off to listen now.
TYVM.

 

[Megnut]

Where BK lives, it's very rural. They don't have crosswalks. Says BK.

Calling for a Fact Check on Aisle 7.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

Thank you for posting video of traffic stop, @Megnut. I watched it a while ago, and forgot about it until you posted it.
BK shining bright as passive aggressive in the video, very unlikable, and Mr. Know-it-all.

In addition, kudos to the Officer, who handled the situation well. jmo

 

[Warwick7]

As I was enjoying my coffee one morning and there was a headline: Three-person mixture of unknown DNA was found under 21-year-old University of Idaho student Madison Mogen’s fingernails.

Cough, cough, I said oh really?
It reminded me of the Delphi hair. All that hipe with Allen's defense team revealing that a hair was found in Abby Williams' hand that didn't match Richard Allen.

Hiding the fact that the defense knew it was Kelsie's, they went ahead for the shock and awe.

That's exactly how I see the fingernail clippings...

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899568470305776111

 

[Megnut]

Thank you for posting video of traffic stop, @Megnut. I watched it a while ago, and forgot about it until you posted it.
BK shining bright as passive aggressive in the video, very unlikable, and Mr. Know-it-all.

In addition, kudos to the Officer, who handled the situation well. jmo

And false passive with the sorries. Which all roll into my paraphrase: sorry for wasting more of your time, Officer. It's just I can't ever be wrong.

She explained it on the first go-round. You can't enter the intersection unless you can clear it.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that BK needed a few more go-rounds. The man has a thing for looping.

I don't think he apologized for what he did. Just the apologies for asking so many questions, following his apology up with more questions. So... sorry, not sorry.

What are the chances the crosswalk scenario isn't part of PA licensing? It's a rule a lot of us press, but if we're caught in it, we know what we did. We get a warning, no ticket, we're happy to get out of there as quickly as we can.

She did a good job answering him but without inviting further dialogue, which he kept providing, as if she has nothing better to do.

I credit him for not asking her if they could discuss it further, over lunch.

I would love to see that stop replayed with a male officer. I have a sense, based on the double stops on his way home, they BK has the capacity to be even more aggressive, and I suspect his dad knew that too. As in: let me do the talking, Son.

I know these are just snippets but combined with his difficulties as a TA and other interactions, I think BK is naturally aggressive, confrontational. Not one to back down even after others step back.

Managing in the world must have required a great deal of willpower for him, not to be reactive, volatile.

Saving up for November, 2022....

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

I see nothing very unsettling about DM being unable to identify BK as the killer, from a photo. Perhaps if in his mugshot, he had been required to put on dark coveralls, a black ski mask type head and face covering, and gloves, he would have looked more familiar to her. Also not sure what she could determine about his gait, or voice, from a photo. She only saw him for a brief moment. He wasn't walking a catwalk, like a runway model, and all of the times we have seen him walking in the past couple years, he has almost certainly had shackles on, which would surely affect any gait. As to hearing him talk, other than hearing him answer "yes" to several questions that the judge asked him about understanding each charge he is facing, in his initial trial, I do not believe that he has uttered a word. Hard to notice cadence or accent in that. Again, as we have discussed over and over these past few days, while she could not absolutely identify him, all of the things that she did describe about the killer that she saw seem to fit BK, and certainly do not exclude him. And finally, if his defense team can accept that it is BK's DNA on the knife sheath, I think that we can too. JMO

The situation is NOT that DM couldn't absolutely identify BK, it is that she had "no clue" if he was the man she saw and heard. There was NO identification of BK AT ALL by her. Even in the PCA BP says he identified BK from DM's description - but BP does not know what DM saw - there is no sketch, so, he's not qualified to identify the suspect based on appearance at all.

DM told LE what she heard the suspect say. LE could have done a lineup, either live or by video and had the men in the lineup read what the suspect said and walk a few steps. There are many ways LE could have presented BK to DM so that DM could have more information to be able to determine if he is the man she saw and heard. But it seems they have not done any of that which I find very unusual.

JMO

 

[al66pine]

BK during Traffic Stop Vid.

Speaking. Not sure about kind of accent.

Body language. ~ 3:00 - 3:40 & again at 5:40, some head & shoulder bobbing.

ETA: Eyebrows, Browline. Quite noticeable.

 

[SteveP]

"...I was just slightly in the crosswalk..." In PA we have more leeway actually, there are more lines.

Is he trying to convince her she's wrong, he's not?

Geez, he's not getting a ticket, but he keeps talking.

Possibly the longest conversation he's had with a woman.

At least he didn't ask her where she lives.

JMO

And again, what is one to glean from this 6 minute video that can be of help in identifying BK as the killer in the house?? Nothing. DM heard a male voice saying something to the effect of "it's okay, i'm going to help you". Nothing more. Hardly enough of a voice sample to learn much from, to pick up cadence and accent, imo, especially considering that he surely wasn't talking loudly, as he had not yet completed his murder spree. Just another attempt to discredit DM. JMO

 

[minazoe]

I think he wants this to go on forever..he enjoys it and will enjoy his future trials too..as someone mentioned here..he will really be into seeing the crime scene photos. reminds me of Jodi Arias begging to see the pictures of Travis at the death scene as she was being interrogated.

you have to think like them...Dennis Rader and Gary Ridgeway were allowed their moments in the sun as a part of their plea...they got to recite the details and make full confessions in front of the court.

oh I believe Bryan wants to play games for as long as he can. mOO

 

[Megnut]

The situation is NOT that DM couldn't absolutely identify BK, it is that she had "no clue" if he was the man she saw and heard. There was NO identification of BK AT ALL by her. Even in the PCA BP says he identified BK from DM's description - but BP does not know what DM saw - there is no sketch, so, he's not qualified to identify the suspect based on appearance at all.

DM told LE what she heard the suspect say. LE could have done a lineup, either live or by video and had the men in the lineup read what the suspect said and walk a few steps. There are many ways LE could have presented BK to DM so that DM could have more information to be able to determine if he is the man she saw and heard. But it seems they have not done any of that which I find very unusual.

JMO

She describes a figure she saw. She says she can't ID BK from that brief encounter. However, BK left his DNA at the crime scene. And his likeness fits within DM's description.

Circumstantial evidence carries the same weight as direct evidence. Sometimes circumstantial evidence requires accumulation. Reasoning. Following the dots and connecting them.

The State doesn't need DM to ID BK. Their case isn't wanting for that.

The Defense can ask her on cross. They can highlight it in their opening and closing, that the witness can't place BK there, can't ID BK as the figure she saw. The jury can weigh that however they like.

They will be looking right at BK for weeeeeeeks. Given that his DNA is in bed with the victims, they just might positively ID BK for DM.

She shouldn't be faulted for the limits of a fleeting encounter.

The jury won't have any trouble putting it all together.

JMO

 

[Barry]

All my own opinion - Based on the evidence so far (and I'm sure there's more), BK (thankfully), doesn't stand a chance. Of course his lawyers are gonna lawyer, but I feel he will not get a plea deal (his only slim hope), will be convicted, get the DP, and eventually get executed. Very few people would shed a tear over this.

 

[Warwick7]

I see nothing very unsettling about DM being unable to identify BK as the killer, from a photo. Perhaps if in his mugshot, he had been required to put on dark coveralls, a black ski mask type head and face covering, and gloves, he would have looked more familiar to her. Also not sure what she could determine about his gait, or voice, from a photo. She only saw him for a brief moment. He wasn't walking a catwalk, like a runway model, and all of the times we have seen him walking in the past couple years, he has almost certainly had shackles on, which would surely affect any gait. As to hearing him talk, other than hearing him answer "yes" to several questions that the judge asked him about understanding each charge he is facing, in his initial trial, I do not believe that he has uttered a word. Hard to notice cadence or accent in that. Again, as we have discussed over and over these past few days, while she could not absolutely identify him, all of the things that she did describe about the killer that she saw seem to fit BK, and certainly do not exclude him. And finally, if his defense team can accept that it is BK's DNA on the knife sheath, I think that we can too. JMO

BBM
Exactly!!!

 

[Balthazar]

IGG starts by matching crime scene DNA with genetic databases to find potential relatives. By piecing together family trees, investigators can zoom in on a specific family group or lineage. But it doesn't point to one person right away. They still need to dig through multiple records to uncover the exact match within the family group.

Exactly and sometimes, even with careful work, the match they think is right can be wrong.