4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #85

[ArianeEmory]

The other will be attempting to destroy the timeline, moving the murders up closer to the afternoon and make it impossible for BK to have been there.

Won’t the medical examiner be able to place the time of death a little more precisely than that? Especially with things like Xana’s food delivery (especially if she got a chance to eat it). Never mind the victims suddenly going dark on social media, etc?

Also, for people who aren’t aware of this … the prosecutor in the Kristin Smart case confirmed after the fact that they were watching Reddit, especially during the trial itself, and used it to help dial in their closing argument. (It seems pretty clear the defense wasn’t, heh.) Anyway, I wouldn’t be shocked if both sides in this case are monitoring Reddit and WS.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don’t deny he wanted to see the fireworks of what he had done. But for a guy going after a phd in criminology and out to commit the perfect murder. Why in the world would he drive his own car and cut his phone off (during the time of murders).

Being book smart and application of that in real life situations successfully are 2 different things. We know/think BK is highly intelligent, but he also has a history of irrational and strange behavior/interactions IRL.

That is true of a lot of mass murderers and serial killers.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Won’t the medical examiner be able to place the time of death a little more precisely than that? Especially with things like Xana’s food delivery (especially if she got a chance to eat it). Never mind the victims suddenly going dark on social media, etc?

Also, for people who aren’t aware of this … the prosecutor in the Kristin Smart case confirmed after the fact that they were watching Reddit, especially during the trial itself, and used it to help dial in their closing argument. (It seems pretty clear the defense wasn’t, heh.) Anyway, I wouldn’t be shocked if both sides in this case are monitoring Reddit and WS.

In a murder trial last year the digital forensic investigators found IP addresses for the site that was closed down and found the suspects were posting.

They could see the suspects trying to lead the discussions away from any suspicion on them (their property was searched so people became suspicious).

So the lead investigator got online and deliberately said things to provoke them to see if they might accidentally post something only the killers would know or post other incriminating details etc...

The lead investigator also wanted to provoke them into conversations with each other because they were being wiretapped.

Investigators use SM all the time and when they zeroed in on BK they most likely kept checking his SM accounts to see if he was posting anything only he would know.

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[girlhasnoname]

Weren’t his vehicle registration tags about to expire during the time of the murders? Perhaps he liked the idea that he could commit the crime with one license plate, then shortly thereafter change his plate after having paid for a new registration.

His PA tag was still valid and current until the following early part of 2023 IIRC. Some have speculated he had to change his plates to WA either by law (X amount of days after moving to a new state, but he had been in WA since June) or for some student financial advantage.

I don't know if those are facts, just what I remember from being discussed way back when.

I personally think he changed them 5 days after the murders to throw suspicion off his car, especially regarding front and back license plates.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree.

No way will the judge dismiss the GJ indictment.

AT is claiming that the jury was biased due to publicity but that is covered when they go through jury selection. It - being impartial - is in the jury questionnaires and in court record when the judge asks jurors if they can be impartial.

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Plus it was empaneled approx 4-5 months after the murders. Emotions had time to settle and I believe the people of Moscow were fair and impartial enough to want to do everything to find the TRUE killer, not just indict the first person that came along.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Plus it was empaneled approx 4-5 months after the murders. Emotions had time to settle and I believe the people of Moscow were fair and impartial enough to want to do everything to find the TRUE killer, not just indict the first person that came along.

MOO

Absolutely!

They would not want the "real killer" to be out and about. If they didn't think Bryan did it, it would be like:

"Hey DA! You need to find the real killer(s) and get them off the streets!

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[maskedwoman]

Won’t the medical examiner be able to place the time of death a little more precisely than that? Especially with things like Xana’s food delivery (especially if she got a chance to eat it). Never mind the victims suddenly going dark on social media, etc?

Also, for people who aren’t aware of this … the prosecutor in the Kristin Smart case confirmed after the fact that they were watching Reddit, especially during the trial itself, and used it to help dial in their closing argument. (It seems pretty clear the defense wasn’t, heh.) Anyway, I wouldn’t be shocked if both sides in this case are monitoring Reddit and WS.

It takes hours for a meal to pass from your stomach into your colon. If AT tries to push the TOD, the lack of digestion should make that a very difficult sell to the jury.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Looks like the families of the victims are objecting to the house being demolished until after the trial of BK.

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Objections have been raised to demolishing the house where four University of Idaho students were killed last year, with members of three of the victims' families signaling it should be preserved until after the trial of the man charged in the deaths.

Shanon Gray, an attorney for the family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the stabbing victims, said the university is disregarding families’ requests that the home be left standing until after the trial of Bryan Kohberger, which is set to begin in October, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Plan to demolish house where 4 University of Idaho students were slain prompts objections

 

[Betty P]

Preposterous!

Defense is trying their case in the news media because it will be much harder once the trial begins and the prosecution reveals their evidence. It's a shame if the taxpayers are having to bear the cost of all this.

 

[ilovewings]

Being book smart and application of that in real life situations successfully are 2 different things. We know/think BK is highly intelligent, but he also has a history of irrational and strange behavior/interactions IRL.

That is true of a lot of mass murderers and serial killers.

JMO

that is because murder is not an intellectual action. Murder involves emotions which can result in different kinds of unplanned behavior. Murder often does not go as planned- For example in this particular case, let's say BK did the deed: he planned it for a while and thought at some point, "this is my opportunity- I am going to do it now", but he didn't plan that four people were going to be there (since he may have targeted only one of those people): He realized he didn't have as much time as he thought, and perhaps one of the victims put up a fight, which he did not expect, so he felt rushed, so in the process of committing the crimes he left the sheath behind, and then as he was exiting, he almost ran into one of the roommates.

 

[ilovewings]

Looks like the families of the victims are objecting to the house being demolished until after the trial of BK.

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Objections have been raised to demolishing the house where four University of Idaho students were killed last year, with members of three of the victims' families signaling it should be preserved until after the trial of the man charged in the deaths.

Shanon Gray, an attorney for the family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the stabbing victims, said the university is disregarding families’ requests that the home be left standing until after the trial of Bryan Kohberger, which is set to begin in October, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Plan to demolish house where 4 University of Idaho students were slain prompts objections

My personal opinion is that the house should be left standing and the jurors should be taken there. I don't understand the need to demolish it -- I know it represents a horror and some people probably just want it gone, but I don't believe that is in the best interest of justice. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Defense is trying their case in the news media because it will be much harder once the trial begins and the prosecution reveals their evidence. It's a shame if the taxpayers are having to bear the cost of all this.

Sounds like a trial you and I followed.

 

[ArianeEmory]

In a murder trial last year the digital forensic investigators found IP addresses for the site that was closed down and found the suspects were posting.

They could see the suspects trying to lead the discussions away from any suspicion on them (their property was searched so people became suspicious).

Interesting. I feel like I've read about some suspect recently (if it wasn't BK it might have been Richard Allen/Delphi) who reportedly has a tablet in jail, to watch movies etc. I wondered how locked down those devices were, as far as being able to access other parts of the internet.

And we know that Jesse McFadden, the recent mass murderer in Oklahoma, was soliciting minors while he was still in prison via the use of a contraband phone. And of course, "phone" these days can mean a lot more than just phone calls.

 

[Boxer]

In fairness, isn't that always the defense game plan? I think it comes with the job.

True.

 

[Cool Cats]

Interesting. I feel like I've read about some suspect recently (if it wasn't BK it might have been Richard Allen/Delphi) who reportedly has a tablet in jail, to watch movies etc. I wondered how locked down those devices were, as far as being able to access other parts of the internet.

And we know that Jesse McFadden, the recent mass murderer in Oklahoma, was soliciting minors while he was still in prison via the use of a contraband phone. And of course, "phone" these days can mean a lot more than just phone calls.

From an article I posted:

Kohberger also has access to a tablet that has older movies that he can watch if he pays five cents per minute and he can also pay to use the tablets to make video calls or access email.

 Tablets and computers are set up so as to keep inmates completely off the internet, these devices are for limited specific use only.

It is common for inmates to get cell phones into prisons and gain internet access this way.

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[I'm Nobody]

The King Road Killings Episode 5 UNRESOLVED available now.
ABC Audio has released the last episode of the first season about the killings.
Kayna Whitworth in this episode talks about defense strategy, speaks with victims families & Moscow locals.

I haven't listened to it yet............

ABC audio The King Road Killings here.

 

[jepop]

Defense is trying their case in the news media because it will be much harder once the trial begins and the prosecution reveals their evidence. It's a shame if the taxpayers are having to bear the cost of all this.

Yes, it's a tad ironic. Moo

 

[schooling]

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My post was in response to the long list of attorneys and experts that opted in at likely a discounted rate. For an uphill battle for a non sympathetic character (at least not the way I’ve seen him portrayed) with the deck stacked against him.

The only upside is PR.

MOO.

 

[schooling]

NOT RINGING TRUE FOR ME.
sorry, capslock a typo, not a statement!
I think he may have purchased knife under a false name if he bought it for the sole purpose of killing people.
In that case they would have been searching for an address .

He could have paid with a pre-pay debit card so possibly a postbox address was all he required.
IF.

I think the single source DNA on the button brought them to the databases after Codis produced no fruits.

This may possibly be the get out of jail free card /exonerating evidence they semi claim they possess.

He can claim he looked at the knife in a second hand shop or a new shop and opened and closed the button in the process but that he never owned or purchased it.
That kills the single source sample of DNA and it kills the knife ownership.

I hope I'm wrong about this evil speculation.

You’re mentioning 3 red flags that the FBI and LE have been dealing with and mitigating for decades and decades. 1) Using a fake name, 2) prepaid debit card, 3) PO Box. If it was only that easy for criminals…

Prepaid card transactions are easily identifiable by the way the card is coded. LE likely would have immediately prioritized those buyers and theirs names. And looked into the store/site that issued the card and what information they had. Including surveillance footage if purchased in person or IP address, shipping address or email address if purchased virtually.

Fake names are somewhat quickly identifiable by a simple address lookup and name corroboration. I could write a python script to do it in a hour or so. You’d need to manual follow up with any red flags. I can only imagine what LE and the fbi can do with their technology and access to state and federal databases (DMV, professional licensure, tax records, property records, etc etc). Any mismatches would be identified and potentially fake names get a manual follow up.

PO Boxes would also be an immediate red flag. Most require two forms of ID and a signed application. They require someone to physically walk/drive to the location. And they are usually themselves covered by cameras 24/7.

They also would have pulled the IP and any hardware fingerprinting on the device(s) used by any suspicious Amazon accounts. Cross checking it with any other legitimate Amazon accounts, including those from his family members.

Sorry, I just don’t see Local LE (in partnership with the FBI) getting tripped up by a fake name, prepaid debit card and a PO box in a quadruple homicide investigation.

MOO.

 

[MyBelle]

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My post was in response to the long list of attorneys and experts that opted in at likely a discounted rate. For an uphill battle for a non sympathetic character (at least not the way I’ve seen him portrayed) with the deck stacked against him.

The only upside is PR.

MOO.

Every attorney on the list works for taxpayers.
Why would an expert witness "opt-in" at a discounted rate? I think they are likely already well known to the attorneys who hired them.

JMO