4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #85

[ktm44]

Here's a different screengrab view of the gear shift cap being on/in tact in BK's car when he was pulled over by LE on October 14th, which occurs at 1:29.

I've read that the gearshift would be one of a few primary locations LE would typically sample to look for (victim) DNA, as well as the gas & brake pedals, and maybe the trunk.

IIRC, BK and his dad took his car in for service / maintenance after they got back to PA.

So it makes me wonder if something happened to the gear shift cap (or gas pedal/brake rubber pads) between mid October and mid December, if any were replaced during that service.

I wonder if BK told his dad someone had broken into his car and stole some parts like the gearshift cap, and his dad said oh that's too bad son, we'll take it in and have them do a thorough going over and make it good as new for your trip back to WA after the holidays.

All MOO

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Service records will show what work was done to the car.

 

[gremlin444]

The results are apparently back in Anne Taylor's possession and there was no link according to what she wrote. We know they are back because she didn't have to request the results again and further she went on to say that there is no evidence to link BK to the victims.

Given that these are lawyers, they are using language and word choice very precisely and with a purpose in mind. Defense attorney Jay Logsden's exact words were (bolding/italics by me):

"There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims. There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohberger’s apartment, office, home, or vehicle."

Very specific use of "victims" and "connection," IMHO. Oftentimes in legal docs that I've read, connection is used to mean in terms of "how did one party know about the other party." And I'm pretty sure that legally, Murphy isn't considered a victim--so if they had a dog hair match, that would fall outside that statement. Also, it focuses on DNA evidence--which ignores fiber evidence, pet hair (which from what I'm reading can often be difficult to do DNA testing on esp if there is no root), etc.

Logsdon doesn't make a blanket statement about a total lack of all evidence to link--just victim DNA.

Given that Murphy would be a lower shedding dog, and we believe that the murderer would have protected the interior of his vehicle and/or discarded his clothing, I'm not surprised if there isn't Murphy hair in those locations. But IMHO, Logsden's statement above doesn't exclude that evidence existing.

 

[10ofRods]

Service records will show what work was done to the car.

Not if people do it themselves. Replacing a gear shift knob by ordering parts is simple, as is changing out the brake and gas pedals. One could pay cash for parts at the dealer. Or an auto parts store.

Indeed, there would be lots of small things a person could swap out (floor mats) or change (steering wheel cover). I didn't pay any attention to whether the Elantra had a steering wheel cover, but I wouldn't be surprised if one was purchased at some point. I'd love to know if he did most of his real world purchasing with cash.

 

[iamshadow21]

Not if people do it themselves. Replacing a gear shift knob by ordering parts is simple, as is changing out the brake and gas pedals. One could pay cash for parts at the dealer. Or an auto parts store.

Indeed, there would be lots of small things a person could swap out (floor mats) or change (steering wheel cover). I didn't pay any attention to whether the Elantra had a steering wheel cover, but I wouldn't be surprised if one was purchased at some point. I'd love to know if he did most of his real world purchasing with cash.

I hope if he did it himself, (if it happened at all) he bought the parts from Amazon. I mean, he didn't go 'cash only, no names' for the alleged murder weapon. Why would he for a random bit of kit for his car? Oh, BK, for a supposedly very clever boy, you're such a numpty.

MOO

 

[ktm44]

Not if people do it themselves. Replacing a gear shift knob by ordering parts is simple, as is changing out the brake and gas pedals. One could pay cash for parts at the dealer. Or an auto parts store.

Indeed, there would be lots of small things a person could swap out (floor mats) or change (steering wheel cover). I didn't pay any attention to whether the Elantra had a steering wheel cover, but I wouldn't be surprised if one was purchased at some point. I'd love to know if he did most of his real world purchasing with cash.

That is correct but I had responded to someone asking if the work could have been done at the time the car was servced.

Most of those things mentioned are quite small jobs and even changin the shifter knob takes mere minutes with very few tools required.

 

[DizzyB]

Does anyone know how many minutes elapsed from the time BK approached the house till he supposedly left? The timeline seems to be very tight-or I’m imagining that. If it’s not, I need to get that perception out of my head. I can see the defense stating that even if BK was found to be in the area, he could not have committed the amount of carnage in that short of a window. Yes, I know it’s possible to murder 4 in a very short period, but it might be something to try to sell to a jury.

 

[Boxer]

Does anyone know how many minutes elapsed from the time BK approached the house till he supposedly left? The timeline seems to be very tight-or I’m imagining that. If it’s not, I need to get that perception out of my head. I can see the defense stating that even if BK was found to be in the area, he could not have committed the amount of carnage in that short of a window. Yes, I know it’s possible to murder 4 in a very short period, but it might be something to try to sell to a jury.

Yes, they will try it as too short.
But violent assaults are ambushes and only take probably 60-120 seconds.

 

[10ofRods]

I hope if he did it himself, (if it happened at all) he bought the parts from Amazon. I mean, he didn't go 'cash only, no names' for the alleged murder weapon. Why would he for a random bit of kit for his car? Oh, BK, for a supposedly very clever boy, you're such a numpty.

MOO

I figure that it's possibly his "rational choices" were still evolving. I do believe he was fantasizing about murder (and perhaps, also about catching murderers - something like playing both roles in cops and robbers).

Maybe, after fully realizing what he'd just done, he figured out he'd done a lot of things wrong. Kind of like most students? I'm not really being facetious. I don't plan any crimes, but I plan a lot of other things. I'm getting better, at my age, at not leaving out essential details. I think it's been 4-5 years since I forgot to renew a needed prescription.

He is indeed a numpty. Unfortunately, like many people, he probably thinks his own way of doing things is practically perfect in every way. On a more serious note, many criminally minded people do things like hide a weapon from themselves, attempting to control urges. It can be a daily battle for some. They may even tell themselves they're not acquiring knife/gloves/etc to commit a crime, no sir. Supposedly, they are trying to use simple structural controls to contain their homicidal feelings ("I will be tracked down if I use this to commit a terrible crime"). Supposedly, the reduction in crime the US saw until about 5-6 years ago is due to more means of surveillance (and some other factors going back 40-50 years).

If I had to bet, I'd bet he bought them from Amazon - but I would be willing to take odds.

IMO.

 

[Balthazar]

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My emphasis and snipped for focus: Just to be clear from my previous post, Imo we absolutely do not know that the "...interviewer presented an alternative answer".

I went back and reread the PCA and I agree with you. I misinterpreted it because of the way the the PCA was constructed mixing facts per the witness with supposition by the writer. Of interest, it is apparent that LE already had certainty of their timeline based on the cellphone data of XK (and probably the other victims and survivors) BEFORE questioning DM.

 

[ilovewings]

Does anyone know how many minutes elapsed from the time BK approached the house till he supposedly left? The timeline seems to be very tight-or I’m imagining that. If it’s not, I need to get that perception out of my head. I can see the defense stating that even if BK was found to be in the area, he could not have committed the amount of carnage in that short of a window. Yes, I know it’s possible to murder 4 in a very short period, but it might be something to try to sell to a jury.

I would guess the prosecution is aware of that time line and is preparing an appropriate response that will be intended to convince the jury that the crime was committed in that tight timeline: they may have even been rehearsing such a scenario.

 

[ilovewings]

Does anyone know how many minutes elapsed from the time BK approached the house till he supposedly left? The timeline seems to be very tight-or I’m imagining that. If it’s not, I need to get that perception out of my head. I can see the defense stating that even if BK was found to be in the area, he could not have committed the amount of carnage in that short of a window. Yes, I know it’s possible to murder 4 in a very short period, but it might be something to try to sell to a jury.

I would guess the prosecution is aware of that time line and is preparing an appropriate response that will be intended to convince the jury that the crime was committed in that tight timeline: they may have even been rehearsing such a scenario.

 

[Chloegirl]

Not if people do it themselves. Replacing a gear shift knob by ordering parts is simple, as is changing out the brake and gas pedals. One could pay cash for parts at the dealer. Or an auto parts store.

Indeed, there would be lots of small things a person could swap out (floor mats) or change (steering wheel cover). I didn't pay any attention to whether the Elantra had a steering wheel cover, but I wouldn't be surprised if one was purchased at some point. I'd love to know if he did most of his real world purchasing with cash.

Between this and the potential luminol testing, isn't he just a DIYer. It frustrates me if some of this does not get picked up on. But I do look forward to Murphy fur being the clincher. Ruff! JMOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

That is correct but I had responded to someone asking if the work could have been done at the time the car was servced.

Most of those things mentioned are quite small jobs and even changin the shifter knob takes mere minutes with very few tools required.

That's right, but the gear shift and upper knob itself seemed fine.

It was the cap, that looks like a shiny mirrored oval shaped piece of plastic maybe, that goes over the top of it that sort of seals off the hollow body of the gear shift that was missing, and presumably needed to be replaced at a minimum.

So more cosmetic, IMO, and not a functional necessity, since you can still shift gears and drive the car without the cap in hand.

But it would be kind of awkward to be shifting gears with a gear shift your hand fits over that is gutted, as in, it doesn't have a smooth top because that protective cover or cap is missing, and anything could fall into the abyss of the gear shift unless you put plastic wrap or a ziploc baggie over it, IMO.

MOO

 

[ktm44]

Between this and the potential luminol testing, isn't he just a DIYer. It frustrates me if some of this does not get picked up on. But I do look forward to Murphy fur being the clincher. Ruff! JMOO

At this time, we don't know what he has or hasn't done and all we can do is believe that investigators have left no stone unturned.

 

[schooling]

LE didn’t know if a person or the house was targeted weeks into the investigation. I don’t think that was gamesmanship. If you look at the warrants it’s clear they were looking for connections to the victims well into last year.

I don’t think the time that the killer (obviously BK, IMO) arrived and left will be left up to debate. I think people are missing the real problem with the timeline.

That’s the big gap on what exactly happened inside of the house and in what order. And how 1 person walked into a house filled with 6 people and walked away with 4 lives.

Leaving things up to the jury’s imagination is never a good idea.

No im not delving into conspiracy theory land. I think he 1000% on his own. I think they still 99.99999% get a conviction even with what I’ve heard so far. And looking at Payne’s contradiction to DMs attribution of the voice to Kaylee….seeems like they have the goods? Via what kind of evidence?

 

[schooling]

That's right, but the gear shift and upper knob itself seemed fine.

It was the cap, that looks like a shiny mirrored oval shaped piece of plastic maybe, that goes over the top of it that sort of seals off the hollow body of the gear shift that was missing, and presumably needed to be replaced at a minimum.

So more cosmetic, IMO, and not a functional necessity, since you can still shift gears and drive the car without the cap in hand.

But it would be kind of awkward to be shifting gears with a gear shift your hand fits over that is gutted, as in, it doesn't have a smooth top because that protective cover or cap is missing, and anything could fall into the abyss of the gear shift unless you put plastic wrap or a ziploc baggie over it, IMO.

MOO

Are you saying the cap is missing in that photo (screenshot from the video)?

Maybe I’m missing something but when looking at pictures of automatic gear shifters (according to his VIN his car was an automatic) in 2015 Elantra’s it looks exactly like the video of him being pulled over in Pullman and in Indiana. Just a small glossy oval shape that doesn’t completely cover the top of the gear shifter.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I figure that it's possibly his "rational choices" were still evolving. I do believe he was fantasizing about murder (and perhaps, also about catching murderers - something like playing both roles in cops and robbers).

Maybe, after fully realizing what he'd just done, he figured out he'd done a lot of things wrong. Kind of like most students? I'm not really being facetious. I don't plan any crimes, but I plan a lot of other things. I'm getting better, at my age, at not leaving out essential details. I think it's been 4-5 years since I forgot to renew a needed prescription.

He is indeed a numpty. Unfortunately, like many people, he probably thinks his own way of doing things is practically perfect in every way. On a more serious note, many criminally minded people do things like hide a weapon from themselves, attempting to control urges. It can be a daily battle for some. They may even tell themselves they're not acquiring knife/gloves/etc to commit a crime, no sir. Supposedly, they are trying to use simple structural controls to contain their homicidal feelings ("I will be tracked down if I use this to commit a terrible crime"). Supposedly, the reduction in crime the US saw until about 5-6 years ago is due to more means of surveillance (and some other factors going back 40-50 years).

If I had to bet, I'd bet he bought them from Amazon - but I would be willing to take odds.

IMO.

Good points, @10ofRods.

I sometimes put special things in a "safe place", only to completely forget where that special or safe place is.

It's kind of a running joke in my family, like, yeah, I knew it was a really important item, so much so, I didn't want to have to worry about losing track of it, so I hid it in a really great place no one would ever find! And now no one can find it, including me !

Maybe BK hid a weapon from himself attempting to control an urge to use it (out of sight out of mind), or maybe he just spaced out where he put it and had to buy another one down the road when his faculties were more keen and focused on committing crimes without much prevarication or the proverbial little angel and devil standing on each shoulder whispering in his ears to not do bad things and to do bad things.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

I would guess the prosecution is aware of that time line and is preparing an appropriate response that will be intended to convince the jury that the crime was committed in that tight timeline: they may have even been rehearsing such a scenario.

MOO The 10-12 minutes is plenty of time for an athletic man to ambush and kill 4 people with a fighting knife.

Ted Bundy killed two women and severely beat two others in 15 minutes.
Beating takes longer than attacking with a KaBar which is more or less instant death.
TB entered the Chi Omega sorority house around 3am.

 

[jepop]

I went back and reread the PCA and I agree with you. I misinterpreted it because of the way the the PCA was constructed mixing facts per the witness with supposition by the writer. Of interest, it is apparent that LE already had certainty of their timeline based on the cellphone data of XK (and probably the other victims and survivors) BEFORE questioning DM.

Thanks for response, but again I have to disagree that LE had certainty of their timeline before questioning DM. I don't think that is suggested in the PCA. Moo

 

[jepop]

Are you saying the cap is missing in that photo (screenshot from the video)?

Maybe I’m missing something but when looking at pictures of automatic gear shifters (according to his VIN his car was an automatic) in 2015 Elantra’s it looks exactly like the video of him being pulled over in Pullman and in Indiana. Just a small glossy oval shape that doesn’t completely cover the top of the gear shifter.

Present in 14th October video, missing in 15th December video. Moo