4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #86

[Boxer]

AT working the angles to engage conspiracy themes.
MOO one thing, Idaho citizens have been exposed to lots of conspiracies - I think they might see through this one.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No the defense cannot use this defense that BK left his DNA on his sheath beforehand and the sheath was then planted.

To use this defense they would have to admit that

1.) Yes this is BK's sheath

2.) Yes it is his DNA

And the judge will not allow them to say LE planted evidence. They cannot do that without providing evidence to back it up.

In trials you have to show the jury evidence, you can't just say LE framed BK without evidence. Not how trials work.

I do not believe they have any evidence that the DNA chain of custody was breeched.

2 Cents

Does the state have evidence that BK purchased the knife sheath?

Can the defense ask an expert witness if they can say exactly when the DNA was placed on the sheath and let the jury wonder about that?

JMO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Does the state have evidence that BK purchased the knife sheath?

According to Dateline (via a “source”) they do. But obviously not known from official sources yet/gag order.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Thank you! Notice that the Defense isn’t claiming that it’s touch DNA. Just implying, in a convoluted and sarcastic sentence, that it is. We’ll see.

I think touch DNA by definition is DNA left on an object "presumably" bc it was touched by the defendant. My guess is she'll try to get this excluded as unreliable unless the state can provide some support that he touched it. But, wasn't it reported that they traced the purchase by him to Amazon or am I misremembering?
MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

According to Dateline (via a “source”) they do. But obviously not known from official sources yet/gag order.

So maybe. If they don't have the evidence that BK bought the sheath I'm sure the defense will try to make that clear to the jury.

Is it possible for someone to leave their DNA on objects that don't belong to them?

JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Glitch

 

[Jurisprudence]

According to Dateline (via a “source”) they do. But obviously not known from official sources yet/gag order.

I was just thinking of this very thing. I thought I remembered hearing this too.

 

[Jurisprudence]

AT working the angles to engage conspiracy themes.
MOO one thing, Idaho citizens have been exposed to lots of conspiracies - I think they might see through this one.

Ohhh, I completely agree with that statement. Moo

 

[Jurisprudence]

So maybe. If they don't have the evidence that BK bought the sheath I'm sure the defense will try to make that clear to the jury.

Is it possible for someone to leave their DNA on objects that don't belong to them?

JMO.

Conceivably, yes. As an example only, someone may come in contact at some point with an object that belongs to another and claim that it is that "other" who left it there. They only have to raise the possibility through their experts. They don't have prove it, though I don't know how far that would get them with a jury if there is other evidence supporting that it is his. The doubt must be "reasonable". jmo

 

[Nila Aella]

So maybe. If they don't have the evidence that BK bought the sheath I'm sure the defense will try to make that clear to the jury.

Is it possible for someone to leave their DNA on objects that don't belong to them?

JMO.

There was an extensive discussion about touch DNA on an earlier thread - a search (upper right) could bring you to the right spot for all the peer reviewed articles and in depth posts by verified WS's. MOO

Here is one article I had handy by a journalist that describes touch dna with a few cases to show how it can be transferred.

Framed By Your Own Cells: How DNA Evidence Imprisons The Innocent

Tiny amounts of touch-transferred DNA have placed people at locations they had never visited and implicated people for crimes they did not commit.

www.forbes.com

 

[Nila Aella]

• 07/24/2023 Response to States Motion to Reconsider

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjYk7iz3KqAAxUWD1kFHRVJB_QQFnoECBcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcoi.isc.idaho.gov%2F&usg=AOvVaw3QpkN0NQPCGFbgfzIE_S1f&opi=89978449

ETA link

 

[Cool Cats]

Does the state have evidence that BK purchased the knife sheath?

Can the defense ask an expert witness if they can say exactly when the DNA was placed on the sheath and let the jury wonder about that?

JMO.

So maybe. If they don't have the evidence that BK bought the sheath I'm sure the defense will try to make that clear to the jury.

Is it possible for someone to leave their DNA on objects that don't belong to them?

JMO.

Yes people can leave DNA on objects that do not belong to them. We leave our DNA wherever we go just by touching and even by sneezing.

First Ebay Warrant:

In the possession or control of EBAY related to the sales of the following items for the period of January l, 20220 to present: 1. ASIN 40401632493 8, Ka-Bar Full Size US Marine Corps Fighting Knife 2. ASIN 384887534661, Ka—Bar 12178, Leather Sheath, USMC Logo

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Ebay.pdf

Second Ebay Warrant:

EBAY related to the sales made to the following users from January 1, 2022 to present, for the following items: 1. Ka-Bar KA1217S, USMC Fighting Knife Sheath 2. Ka-Bar Full Size USMC Straight Edge Knife

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Ebay 1.pdf

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Regional (Spokane, WA, KREM 2, 1/5/2023) reporting shortly after BK’s arrest is one place touch DNA was discussed — it’s still an interesting read, MOO:
Court documents reveal how DNA left at King Road crime scene led to Bryan Kohberger's arrest

"Because technology has advanced so far, it is possible to just use a few skin cells in order to identify someone," Moore says. "That is true both for the traditional genetic forensic profile, that is what is court-admissible DNA evidence. It's also true for investigative genetic genealogy, we can work with the tiniest fragment of DNA, and that includes touch DNA. Based on the affidavit in this case, it looks like touch DNA is what they had to work with. That's just skin cells."

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes people can leave DNA on objects that do not belong to them. We leave our DNA wherever we go just by touching and even by sneezing.

First Ebay Warrant:

In the possession or control of EBAY related to the sales of the following items for the period of January l, 20220 to present: 1. ASIN 40401632493 8, Ka-Bar Full Size US Marine Corps Fighting Knife 2. ASIN 384887534661, Ka—Bar 12178, Leather Sheath, USMC Logo

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Ebay.pdf

Second Ebay Warrant:

EBAY related to the sales made to the following users from January 1, 2022 to present, for the following items: 1. Ka-Bar KA1217S, USMC Fighting Knife Sheath 2. Ka-Bar Full Size USMC Straight Edge Knife

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Ebay 1.pdf

Thanks.

So LE got warrants for Ebay. What about Amazon? Or Ka-Bar Knives?

 

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[wary]

I think touch DNA by definition is DNA left on an object "presumably" bc it was touched by the defendant. My guess is she'll try to get this excluded as unreliable unless the state can provide some support that he touched it. But, wasn't it reported that they traced the purchase by him to Amazon or am I misremembering?
MOO

Well, as other people are posting, Dateline said so, by way of an anonymous source.

If that’s true, it creates an awkward situation for the defense. I presume that they’ll be trying to suggest that someone planted BK’s DNA on the sheath that BK owned?

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks.

So LE got warrants for Ebay. What about Amazon? Or Ka-Bar Knives?

The eBay Warrants are specifically for Ka-Bar Knives.

There probably are Warrants for Amazon.

 

[Nila Aella]

Excellent point IMO

From the response to States Motion to reconsider by JL:

He is not required to give up his right to a speedy trial in this matter because the State refuses to provide him materials as to its Genetic Genealogy search and chooses the protracted litigation involved with a grand jury rather than a preliminary hearing

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/072423%20Response%20to%20States%20Motion%20to%20Reconsider%20Order%20Staying%20Time%20for%20Speedy%20Trial.pdf

 

[Jurisprudence]

• 07/24/2023 Response to States Motion to Reconsider

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjYk7iz3KqAAxUWD1kFHRVJB_QQFnoECBcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcoi.isc.idaho.gov%2F&usg=AOvVaw3QpkN0NQPCGFbgfzIE_S1f&opi=89978449

ETA link

Their papers are getting way too personal imo. The tone in that filing is well...

 

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