4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Helechawagirl]

Saturday, Sept. 16 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

I'm not really sure what they can add other than some new details that the Goncalves and Xana's sister and dad may add. I think that will be important to hear.

University of Idaho murder victim tried escaping suspected killer Bryan Kohberger but was ‘trapped’ by friend’s body: family

Kaylee, 21, was killed alongside her best friend, Madison “Maddie” Mogen, 21, and two others on Nov. 13, 2022.

nypost.com

“There’s evidence to show that she awakened and tried to get out of that situation, [but] she was assaulted and stabbed,” Steve Goncalves told CBS News’ Peter Van Santof his daughter, Kaylee Goncalves.
When the assailant turned on Kaylee, she was stuck between the body of her friend and the wall, Kristi added. ... “The bed was up against the wall. The headboard was touching the wall and the left side of the bed was touching the wall. And we believe that Maddie was on the outside and Kaylee was on the inside,” the grieving mother explained."

and

Father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four murdered University of Idaho students, says there is evidence his daughter fought back

Family of one of the murdered University of Idaho students shares details that their daughter tried to escape the attack.

www.cbsnews.com

"Jazzmin and her father, Jeffrey Kernodle, spoke with Van Sant in "The Night of the Idaho Murders," airing Saturday, Sept. 16, at 10/9c on CBS, and streaming on Paramount+. Van Sant asked Jeffrey Kernodle about reports that his daughter, Xana, fought back against the attacker.

"I believe so," Kernodle replied. "It's upsetting to think about."

jmo

One of the promos said they had found a connection between kb and mm and kg, but after thinking about that, I kinda think they’re talking about that Instagram account, that I fell for, which showed kb “following” them. Someone here checked the creation date and proved that it could not have been him. If that’s all they have, then this is just a publicity stunt for ratings. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Can you even imagine the mob mentality (mainly by the media) if they were to show up in person? I'm not surprised they haven't been to see him in person. Plus, they are still recovering financially and emotionally from that tactical assault on their home when they arrested BK and the enormity of what BK is charged with.

I feel like these parents are not blinded by BK and what he may have done in the past or even what may have happened here in this case. You can love your (adult) child without condoning their illegal behavior IMO.

I still think there is something to the fact that they had to testify at the PA Grand Jury, which the finding were shared with ID. Still nags at me.

MOO

If they shared the Pennsylvania GJ findings with Idaho then it does sound like it specifically had to do with BK. Could be from the murder that was reported in Pennsylvania. LE said that BK was exonerated from that murder but to be exonerated there would be an investigation, thus GJ.

Just the logistics of BK's family trying to stay in Moscow is daunting and very expensive. Flying a family of 2 to 4 people to Boise Idaho and renting a car and staying in a hotel and food, etc.. Is bad enough without having to find a way to a small remote town.

Have to transfer to another plane to fly to Moscow which adds way more to the transportation cost and they wouldn't be able to have a big city of hotel choices to help them have more privacy and distance and more choices to compare costs. Sounds like a travel nightmare when you add in the media.

Hotels would likely be filled up in a small town with a big trial, might not even have rooms available. On top of all this is having to take off work.

Imagine walking into the courtroom and being the only people there for the defendant. Imagine coming face to face with Kaylee Goncalves' parents, Kristi and Steve Goncalves and the 4 siblings, Alivea, Steven, Autumn, and Aubrie, along with her nieces and nephews.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

If they shared the Pennsylvania GJ findings with Idaho then it does sound like it specifically had to do with BK. Could be from the murder that was reported in Pennsylvania. LE said that BK was exonerated from that murder but to be exonerated there would be an investigation, thus GJ.

Just the logistics of BK's family trying to stay in Moscow is daunting and very expensive. Flying a family of 2 to 4 people to Boise Idaho and renting a car and staying in a hotel and food, etc.. Is bad enough without having to find a way to a small remote town.

Have to transfer to another plane to fly to Moscow which adds way more to the transportation cost and they wouldn't be able to have a big city of hotel choices to help them have more privacy and distance and more choices to compare costs. Sounds like a travel nightmare when you add in the media.

Hotels would likely be filled up in a small town with a big trial, might not even have rooms available. On top of all this is having to take off work.

Imagine walking into the courtroom and being the only people there for the defendant. Imagine coming face to face with Kaylee Goncalves' parents, Kristi and Steve Goncalves and the 4 siblings, Alivea, Steven, Autumn, and Aubrie, along with her nieces and nephews.

Yep. What a nightmare. Maybe one of his "fans" could fund the trip.

I would have a difficult time staying away, tho, as a parent. I wonder if AT has had, or will have, any input into this decision, whenever it has to be made.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yep. What a nightmare. Maybe one of his "fans" could fund the trip.

I would have a difficult time staying away, tho, as a parent. I wonder if AT has had, or will have, any input into this decision, whenever it has to be made.

What decision?

 

[gremlin444]

I just checked and it would cost over $800 and up to make a weekend round trip by air, booking 30 days ahead. They are humble people and I doubt they could afford that even if they wanted to. Certainly not very often. Including food and lodging, it would probably cost almost as much to drive it and it would be brutal to make that drive very often.

Even if they could afford it--

Where could they stay in either Idaho or Washington (hotel, Airbnb, etc) where their last name would NOT be immediately recognized. Even if they managed to pay with a different last name (have one of the married daughter's pay for it if they took their partner's last name and then pay them back), most places will need to see your driver's license. And within the hotel lobby, breakfast area, etc--they are at a risk of having their faces recognized.

In addition to that, IMHO, I think they are being very careful to be sensitive to the community and families affected by the murders. Other than their initial small statement, they've stayed out of the limelight. Even that statement wasn't a huge "our son is innocent, we know he could never do a thing like that!"

I just have the feeling that even if they could afford it (the trial, when it happens, is likely to be long...you'd want to save your money up to be able to afford that instead of running out there for every smaller pre-trial hearing...but I think they would have come out for a preliminary hearing if that had happened), they have chosen not to travel out there in order to both protect themselves and not cause more pain to the community and families.

 

[Sundog]

Yep. What a nightmare. Maybe one of his "fans" could fund the trip.

I would have a difficult time staying away, tho, as a parent. I wonder if AT has had, or will have, any input into this decision, whenever it has to be made.

I think that BK's parents may show up at the beginning of his trial, stay for awhile, and then return to PA. It is important for the defense to show the jury that BK's parents are there to support him, and his sisters if possible. I think the family will attend the trial at the beginning, maybe again as the trial proceeds, and for sure if BK is found guilty the parents will show up at the penalty phase of the trial. I think BK's father would speak at any penalty phase hearing and provide some mitigating information from his perspective. Possibly the mother, also. If their son is found guilty and facing the death penalty, I believe they will both be there.

I think that the defense would help them find a place to stay and try to protect them from adverse media onslaught - meet them at the airport each time they attend the trial and drive them to their accomodations and to court. Using defense staff and/or volunteers, etc.


All JMO.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

What decision?

If her client should try and have at least one parent there. I'm sure that's something a jury consultant will address.

 

[hafom8840]

I've heard speculation it's possible the perp snuck into the house at least once in the days/weeks/months preceding the murders just as a "practice run". Thoughts?

 

[katydid23]

This is one example of what I mean when I say I can't stand 'Trial by Tweet. There are always going to inaccuracies in re-reporting the facts. Just like in the Murdaugh (Corey Fleming) case yesterday, first it was 10 year sentence and then corrected to 20 years. But after sooooo many tweets.

Gaaaaah, it drives me nuts.

As an example of this, I did not know, until just NOW, that Fleming got 20 years. I read tweets yesterday saying he got 10, and I was angry about the short sentence. Sending out false info in a 'trial by tweet' is a problem.

 

[ilovewings]

This case is being discussed on 48 hours right now on CBS

 

[gremlin444]

Ugh, Howard Blum: The defense says there is no connection between Kohberger and the students. If there is no connection, then there is no motive.

Really? So murderers who pick victims simply based on the location/house or because they spotted them somewhere and something about the victim resonated in their head with their fantasies have no motive???

 

[ilovewings]

Ugh, Howard Blum: The defense says there is no connection between Kohberger and the students. If there is no connection, then there is no motive.

Really? So murderers who pick victims simply based on the location/house or because they spotted them somewhere and something about the victim resonated in their head with their fantasies have no motive???

That is just defense yak- I don't take it seriously- but it does tell us they may use that alleged "no connection" as part of their defense----

 

[ilovewings]

Listening to Blum- he is now throwing everything against the wall to see if any of it will stick----

 

[Helechawagirl]

Ugh, Howard Blum: The defense says there is no connection between Kohberger and the students. If there is no connection, then there is no motive.

Really? So murderers who pick victims simply based on the location/house or because they spotted them somewhere and something about the victim resonated in their head with their fantasies have no motive???

Yea he going with the traditional means, motive, opportunity. In this case, the motive may not have been personal, but rather internal. Not much new information if any. Confirmed Kaylee against the wall in Maddie’s bed; indicated they were both sleeping when the assault started. Confirmed Maddie and Kaylee were attacked first. That’s about it.

 

[gremlin444]

I must say, I'm a little surprised that Steve G is open to the idea of the murderer being someone other than BK. I kinda had him pegged as a "I knew the minute I looked into his eyes in the courtroom" kind of person.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Yea he going with the traditional means, motive, opportunity. In this case, the motive may not have been personal, but rather internal. Not much new information if any. Confirmed Kaylee against the wall in Maddie’s bed; indicated they were both sleeping when the assault started. Confirmed Maddie and Kaylee were attacked first. That’s about it.

Oh, I forgot. The Goncalves family showed a screenshot of BK’s alleged account that had “liked” several of Maddie and Kaylee’s photos. The page was taken down by LE soon after the family found it. That was the connection they made indicating that BK at least knew who they were. JMO

 

[Helechawagirl]

I must say, I'm a little surprised that Steve G is open to the idea of the murderer being someone other than BK. I kinda had him pegged as a "I knew the minute I looked into his eyes in the courtroom" kind of person.

Yea he redeemed his image quite a bit.

 

[Helechawagirl]

I think 48 hrs included Blum as a way to try and provide impartial coverage. Not much substance there—especially when your motive is “I was out driving around in my car. The confusion about the exact year of the car is a little something but without something more, I don’t think anyone is going to doubt who did this. They’d have to have another person in another white Elantra pinging off the same towers at the same time. 5 pm might be a possibility; 3-4 am not so much. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

If her client should try and have at least one parent there. I'm sure that's something a jury consultant will address.

If not on camera coming to court would be their best way to hear witness testimony. I wouldn't want to miss that.

But I think they would only show up if they lived way closer instead of 2,500 miles away. Actually, the defense could tell the family detailed information about the testimony if BK OK'ed it. BK would probably slant the testimony in his favor.

Better to save money for the potential Penalty Phase Trial then the family can come and try to convince the jury to give him a fixed life sentence. In Idaho it is called "fixed life" rather than LWOP.

BK's family would be all over the media and no help to BK's Case unless they testify. Testifying for the jury is what matters.

Ethan's family won't show up they said, they said it won't change anything.

2 Cents

 

[gremlin444]

Was just thinking....

So if the defense is going with the "well, he was out because he always drives around late at night (because he can't sleep)," how are they going to explain his phone going off the network for that big chunk of time? They can't claim he lost connection there for that entire time. So, he just happens to like driving around at 3 am without streaming any music/podcast from his phone to his car speakers, and he knows the roads so well in the dark that he has no need for Google Maps?